Changes for round 4

[lewigie]

I bet when JK comes in he'll do sweet FA.

 

[Kennedy_17]

seriously couldnt care less what happens but if i see hansen or fletcher run through that banner this weekend i run onto the field and give them both reasons to retire.. ok maybe a bit over the top but f*ck woosh, open your eyes mate.

 

[ANDOwce]

I agree mate.. the frustration is mounting, Hansen come back to swans..and stay there. Fletcher... Just GO!!!

 

[macdog7]

I bet when JK comes in he'll do sweet FA.

As opposed to what Hansen does 3 out of every 4 games?

 

[PRANKSTER666]

Where are all the Fletcher lovers gone?

They were certainly here after Round 1 to defend his game and his position in the team...

NFI

 

[Underdog]

seriously couldnt care less what happens but if i see hansen or fletcher run through that banner this weekend i run onto the field and give them both reasons to retire.. ok maybe a bit over the top but f*ck woosh, open your eyes mate.

I agree mate.. the frustration is mounting, Hansen come back to swans..and stay there. Fletcher... Just GO!!!

As opposed to what Hansen does 3 out of every 4 games?

Since Kennedy has been dominating the WAFL so much to demand selection?

 

[Kennedy_17]

Since Kennedy has been dominating the WAFL so much to demand selection?

where did i say bring kennedy in??

 

[Underdog]

where did i say bring kennedy in??

He's the only like-for-like replacement that isn't in the team.

 

[Kennedy_17]

He's the only like-for-like replacement that isn't in the team.

doesnt have to work like that and thats why our team so often resembles the land of the giants.. if there both playing like shit, leave em in the wafl and play lynch at chf wiht hunter lecras and mckinley on the ff line or something like that, especially wiht lecras dominating all oponents atm, why not leave him one out in the square.. woosha's way of thinking baffles me a bit.. coming up against a team like the bullys who play very very short there isnt much need for so many talls but im sure wooshas train of thought will be too bring in more talls.

 

[eagles06]

Wirra in for Hansen, go a bit smaller against the Dogs. Brown into the forward line and Hunter back to the backline would be good. But I don't think Hunts looks right, if he's not he shouldn't be playing!

 

[daveymak]

at least the clanger count will be maintained if we out fletcher for j-mac. obviously wirra if fit and hopefully a couple of butler, swift, kennedy and possibly cockie.

 

[Selgae]

If Swift does come in he will need plenty of bench time...

I don't think he is fully fit...

Keep Masten in the team... Wasn't a great day for him, but if he is fit he must play at this early statge of the year.

 

[Obeanie1]

Wirra in for Hansen, go a bit smaller against the Dogs. Brown into the forward line and Hunter back to the backline would be good. But I don't think Hunts looks right, if he's not he shouldn't be playing!

Hunter's shoulder is way off being right, you can see he doesn't like raising it above his head and his tackling has dropped off as well. Can't blame him but an unfit gun isn't a gun player. I'd rather see a fully fit Spanger or Schofield playing Hunter role untill he's at least 90 - 100% right.

As i posted earlier we don't have a role for three big KP backs, if Hansen is dropped then play Brown forward.

We definaltely need more pressure from the midfield, S Selwood, J Mac and even Cockie would provide that and if Butler racked up 29 possesions last week he should be included after two more games in the WAFL.

 

[paran]

Butler deserves a look in after a couple of solid weeks. His poise would make a bit of difference to our make up. Hunter needs a couple of weeks off (Schofield), Nicoski should get back to some form at Subi (Wirra?) and I think Masten needs a strang run at East Freo (Butler). Not sure if there's room to fit Swift in, but that's more fitness related than a form issue.

 

[RoJo Junior]

Where are all the Fletcher lovers gone?

They were certainly here after Round 1 to defend his game and his position in the team...

NFI

Im not a Fletcher lover, and you would be hard pressed to find one. I just defended him from the ridiculous over the top criticism by many supporters (people act as if hes the worst player to pull on a jumper). I cant defend his performance on the weekend as it was atrocious, however so were many others. Anyway I believe he should be dropped now.

Just because he had one bad game, it doesn't devalue his round 1 effort. If we were writing off players after the weekends performance we may as well delist Masten now

Fletcher will probably spend a fairly long stint out of the seniors now but he shouldnt be ruled out of contention for the rest of the season.

As much as we're saying how bad we were on the weekend, why hasnt anyone recognised that the Saints just played extremely well. Our decision making and application under pressure has always been poor in recent times. We were under pressure the whole game on the weekend.

 

[the fox]

Hunter just cannot lift his arm above his shoulder. His strength was his marking. It is a joke playing him at this stage.The eagles are living in the past and not looking forward. It reminds me of the aussie cricket team 12 months ago.

 

[beatlesmith]

Hill ripped the saints apart. Schofield would be a good matchup for him, as well as gia, so perhaps he should get a go.
I think butler was dropped for fitness, so he will have to prove fitness, moreso than form to get a call up for mine. Talent wise he is well ahead of Jmac, so if he is at full fitness, he should get in to the team ahead.

 

[Empire_Persian]

OUT: Mckinley, Hansen, Rosa, Fletcher, Embley, Masten

In: Kennedy, Wirrpanda, Swift, Cockie, Butler

This post is the apex of hysteria most common after heavy losses.

Wholesale changes have never solved anything.

Mckinley obviously wants to be traded home. Done nothing to suggest otherwise and we saw he can do much better last year.

Are you kidding me ? He had the chance to go back home last year. He made a commitment. I would say he is out of form.

Hansen is too costly on the rebound.

Hansen applies the most defensive pressure in our forward line. Kennedy has done nothing in WAFL to prove that he would be a better option than Hansen (at the moment).

Rosa is a twig who is no good when the going gets tough.

He is recovering from injury, needs game-time to restore the quality he was showing in 2007 (see Nicoski and Hurn).

Fletcher is a front runner who doesnt work hard enough when we arent in position. Might as well not be out there when we dont have the ball.

Is an integral part of Worsfolds new plan. Has a good tank, and it helps that he is shit because nobody tags him. Finds himself in good positions to pick up the ball. Woosha won't be dropping him anytime soon.

Embley has lost the hunger to win. Has his premiership and looks distinterested. Trade bait.

Not trade bait. Don't you dare even think about it. Coming off a bad injury and needs to time to regain confidence. Embley's struggle basically symbolizes the entire teams struggle. From 2008 - heavily injured and lacking confidence, will only get better if given more game time and participates in some victories.

Masten needs to go back to the WAFL. Nothing about him suggests he is a top 3 draft pick. Extremely disappointing. All those who bet on him winning the rising star have done their dosh. Has pathetic evasive skills. Looks like a link up player at best for us.

He has played 12 games you muppet. You would have made the exact same conclusions about Cox and Glass after their first 20 games aswell.

In: Kennedy, Wirrpanda, Swift, Cockie, Butler

Have you even considered WAFL form ? Swift, Cockie and Kennedy are still underdone. Wirrpunda looks likely after Worsfolds comments today, Butler would be handy and I personally think Schofield is a good chance. His speed and defensive attributes will make him an ideal candidate to tag a small Bulldog forward (either Akermanis or Giansiracusa).

I think the mods need to create a prohibition period after heavy losses in order to stop posters from dropping the A-Bomb on the entire team.

 

[the fox]

OUT: Fletcher Hansen Embley
IN: Swift Kennedy JMac

Swift is a must has shown glimpses of what he is capable of, and is worth giving a shot 3 to 4 games to really see where he is at, I think that the only reason that Fletcher is the team at the moment is that he has worn an All Australian jumper. Send him back to the WAFL and he should only be reconsidered if he gets in blistering form. Embley is either still suffering from his injury or has lost the desire/passion to fight out a game like we had to before the recent glory years send him back to the WAFL to get confidence in his body or rediscover the drive to play for The Mighty Eagles.

JMac has aggression and could easily replace Embley at the moment and I think that he would look at grabbing the opportunity and holding on.

Kennedy showed enough last year to at least get a 2-3 game shot he at least sows a lot more defensive pressure than Hansen

Agree Ebert worries me. I dont think he has signed for next year and port may do a Josh Carr with him.
Staker looks okay too.

 

[purple hater]

Out: Hunter, Fletcher, Hansen
In: Wirrpanda, Jaymac, Kennedy


If Embers hip keeps him out, then Staker.

I'd probably agree with those ins and outs.

Hunter was worse than Hansen in the forwardline, yet gets little attention. He may have kicked a couple of goals when it was already over, but really, he was next to useless. If he cant swing to the backline because of his shoulder then what good is he? And clearly this is the case because surely we would have tried him down back at some point if that was possible?

Have we got anyone one better than J Mac? I am not convinced he will make it at AFL level. I guess it comes back to Butler, how did he go on the weekend?

I think Ebert did enough to stay in the team, when you consider the day we had. Masten is definately on the cusp of WAFL duties for mine, really needs to step up (yes I know he is a kid but eight possessions and one tackle in the midfield is not good enough.)

 

[philibuster]

just through reading the paper,but i didn't notice any eagle playing in the wafl
displaying any sort of form that demands selection!

 

[PRANKSTER666]

Im not a Fletcher lover, and you would be hard pressed to find one. I just defended him from the ridiculous over the top criticism by many supporters (people act as if hes the worst player to pull on a jumper). I cant defend his performance on the weekend as it was atrocious, however so were many others. Anyway I believe he should be dropped now.

Just because he had one bad game, it doesn't devalue his round 1 effort. If we were writing off players after the weekends performance we may as well delist Masten now

Fletcher will probably spend a fairly long stint out of the seniors now but he shouldnt be ruled out of contention for the rest of the season.

As much as we're saying how bad we were on the weekend, why hasnt anyone recognised that the Saints just played extremely well. Our decision making and application under pressure has always been poor in recent times. We were under pressure the whole game on the weekend.

Fletcher has been terrible for the last two seasons, it is nothing new.

I am hard pressed to watch one of his performances and rate it above average. I reckon he plays an above average, not great game every 6 or so games and the rest are poor, and that is no exaggeration.

As I have said before I used to be a Fletcher lover back in the day, but it has been at least a couple of years since he has strung together admirable performances.

I am seriously gobsmacked that there are so many supporters on this board who want him to remain in the side...

 

[lewigie]

Hmm.. That's thread/poll-able.

 

[RoJo Junior]

Fletcher has been terrible for the last two seasons, it is nothing new.

I am hard pressed to watch one of his performances and rate it above average. I reckon he plays an above average, not great game every 6 or so games and the rest are poor, and that is no exaggeration.

As I have said before I used to be a Fletcher lover back in the day, but it has been at least a couple of years since he has strung together admirable performances.

I am seriously gobsmacked that there are so many supporters on this board who want him to remain in the side...

Everyone knows hes on the decline and technically his skills arent good. Physically hes better than most of our other mids. Which as EP pointed out the fact his stamina and ability to continue the "gut-busting" running and ability to find space suits our gamestyle is what will keep him in consideration for games. I'd say the fact he'll regularly play like a 6 or 7/10 ranked game majority of the time is what keeps him in. Whilst others can produce a 8-9 from time to time (whereas Fletch wont), they'll fade out in others and produce a 3 or 4 at other times.

You'll be hard pressed to find 1 supporter on this board that will say retain him. I've been one of the main defenders of the excessive Fletcher bagging (of which i've stated most is warranted, but the 29/30 disposals cause more harm than good rubbish some posters come up with is total BS) however to me hes the first cab off the rank this weekend. Sub-par performances like that, must not be tolerated. Im just saying the Saints game will not be his last for the club. There will come a time where he'll be given the opportunity to make amends at some point later this season.

 

[gx122]

So since Worsfold has said that Fletcher won't be dropped, anyone here gonna do something about it?