Changes for Round 4

[Sigmund]

Out- Dyson (terrible footballer), Nash (just not again please, his kick ins give me the frights), Jetta (looked lost, very poor from Jetta who is fast becoming another high pick wasted in recent years), Skipworth (some may not agree, but someone has to go, and I'd rather play Myers in the midfield)

In: McVeigh, McPhee, Lonergan, Houli (eart his spot in the Bendigo game). The other 3 are certainties in the best 22.

Once again you show your total lack of football knowledge and appeciation for the game

 

[Smokin]

gonna be a very interesting week at selection.

We cant forget Quinn, Knights seems a made of his word, and wouldnt suprise me if he gives the Irishman another crack at all after missing last week.

You would think McVeigh and McPhee are automatic ins, so Lonergan and Reimers may find themselves having a week in the VFL. Reimers probably should go via there anyway.

That means at least 2 outs, if not 3.

On the performance, Id say the only obvious out is Myers. To me, he doesnt look at the level at the moment, and can continue to develop at VFL level. Jetta didnt set the world on fire either, but I think he gives better balance to the side, and allows Davey to do more up the field and is worth persisting with.

I think all others have done enough to hold their spots, so who knows. Perhaps Nash will go back out.

A very good problem to have though, cant remember depth like this for a while - at a time where we have 8 or so of our best 22 out. Hurley may only be another week or 2 away and Prismall seems to be ahead of schedule, so there are very exciting and interesting times ahead.

I think overall Knights has found a much better balance in modern football by playing Ryder as a forward second ruck, allowing more mobile players instead of Neagle and Bellchambers and Im not sure we should change that.

They can develop in the VFL, and really need performances to demand senior selection.

 

[Smokin]

anyone notice skipworth directing traffic, standing near the boundary while on the bench?

The reason why this guy is playing is onlydue to the touches he gets, and he is getting em anyway.

Can not understand how anyone could suggest he be an out at this stage?

 

[ghostdog]

Yep he does pull out a good kick on the rare occasion. Do you have a point?

The fact that he is so inconsistant only strengthens my view that he is an ordinary kick of the pill.

I just don't think he rarely kicks well. I think Nash kicks about 60-40 good kicks, which is hardly rare. When he kicks well he delivers as sharply as anyone out there. I agree though that his inconsistency hurts him. He makes bad decisions with the ball at times as well. More than once I've seen him deliver a hospital pass, and if we hope to minimise turn overs it's that skill (decision making) as a group that needs to be worked on, as well as delivery skills.

FWIW, I think outs would probably be out of Jetta, Dyson, Myers and Nash. I'm guessing only McPhee and McVeigh will come in though, and in spite of Jetta's inability to get the ball against Carlton I'd give him another go, just for his pace. Nash in many ways seems to be the new Dyson, so I'd give Myers another crack. I wonder how he'd go forward if McPhee went back though...

 

[james_omahoney]

In: McPhee, McVeigh
Out: Jetta, Myers

Rationale: Jetta needed to snag a few in the Carlton game to keep his spot, given that he was a bit of a wildcard for the style of play that round 3 required. Myers will get plenty more chances in the future but probably best to spend some time in the VFL getting his hands on the ball at the moment. Don't know much about where Lonergan is at right now, so will reserve judgement there.

Out- Dyson (terrible footballer), Nash (just not again please, his kick ins give me the frights), Jetta (looked lost, very poor from Jetta who is fast becoming another high pick wasted in recent years), Skipworth (some may not agree, but someone has to go, and I'd rather play Myers in the midfield)

In: McVeigh, McPhee, Lonergan, Houli (eart his spot in the Bendigo game). The other 3 are certainties in the best 22.

Do you think before you post?

 

[TheDon35]

Myers was terrible but needs exposure at the top level and a bit of continuity, give him another week imo

Jetta was boardering on pathetic but having been brought in this week should get a couple of bites at it and remain in the side.

Scott Lucas is starting to become a real concern. Has totally lost the plot. Looks unfit and unable to make a serious impact.

Skipworth can go. Was ordinary again on Saturday. Mr Backward kick.
Dyson can go.
Nash can go.
Lucas. Go and get some run into your legs and your hands on the ball.

In Mcveigh, Houli, Mcphee, Quinn (of the back of a solid first up performance)

Absolutely no chance of that happening but worth throwing it out there.

 

[Skeeta Olly]

The only reason I can think of Dyson being dropped is if someone in the VFL has earned a spot, like Houli. I leave it up to people that have seen the Bendigo match to make unbiased assumptions on whether Houli deserves a spot.

In my Dyson is clearly ahead of Nash and Jetta (and possibly Myers) in the coaches mind at the moment. The sooner people accept that the better.

Possible inclusions: McVeigh, McPhee, Lonergan

 

[Smyth94]

Absolute minimal changes this week.

IN: McVeigh, McPhee...and maybe Lonergan

OUT: Myers (give him a midfield role at Bendigo), Jetta (unfortunately gets squeezed out)

 

[james_omahoney]

Absolute minimal changes this week.

IN: McVeigh, McPhee...and maybe Lonergan

OUT: Myers (give him a midfield role at Bendigo), Jetta (unfortunately gets squeezed out)

 

[High Ryder]

INs are obvious, Mcphee and Mcveigh

OUTS: Myers and Nash...


Both very stiff but i disagree with people calling for Jetta's omission. He added something to the forward line. Him and Davey are a dangerous combo up front. He did have a couple of crucial fumbles but i still think his defensive side warrants him getting another gme.

Nash is the stiffest player but did turn it over too many times for my liking. His decision making is still rather poor.

 

[R_n_B]

Who comes in and goes out may come down to who would be better suited to playing against the Roos. Thye have some tall guys who can play up foward and potentially 3 ruckmen in McIntosh, Hale and Petrie, plus small fowards in Campbell and Thomas.

McVeigh and McPhee are shoe ins to come into the side, so that's at least two changes
Then there is the possibilty of Quinn, Houli, Lonergan coming in. Personally, I would leave Lonergan out another week, unless he is definetly fully fit to play.
McPhee should take a half foward role so that may mean Jetta may go out. However, I think having Jetta in the side, as someone else said, helps Davey out alot as he can get up the ground a bit more and balance out our foward line. Plus, I didn't think Jetta was that bad against Carlton except for taking that long shot from 50+ out and stuffing up the kick. But, would still like him to play better.
McVeigh could play in the midfield or maybe play majority at half back for his first game.
I don't see Knights taking Dyson out of the side, but I would take him out.
Myers I think should get some midifeld game time with Bendigo. He wasn't terrible, just think he could get more footy playing for Bendigo and give him a boost.
Plus do you take out two backmen in Nash and Myers for a foward in McPhee and midfielder in McVeigh?
Nash didn't play a horrible game, but McPhee and McVeigh are just so much better.

What I would like to see:
INS: McPhee, McVeigh, Houli
OUTS: Myers, Nash, Dyson

What could potentially happen:
INS: McPhee, McVeigh, Quinn
OUTS: Myers, Nash, Jetta

 

[addog]

definitely need to knock dyson out of the senior team.

Absolutely useless and weak for a player who has been at the club for the best part of 5 years. No heart whatsoever when games are hang in the balance and definitely nowhere to be sighted. Just making up the numbers while some of our best 22 are out injured.

With winders back in full flight, would like to hope that dyson will be playing his final season in the red and black.

All i hope is bellchambers can bring it to the table to help validate offloading laycock also and i'll be content for 2010.

Feels a lot like 1993 when i felt the same about flood and somerville.

Nash doesn't seem to have much apart from a good long kick either. He doesn't appear to have improved either. Spare parts player with no sense of ownership for a position in our best 22.

finally someone can actually see that dyson and laycock are no good! Youve hit the nail on the head there everlast also agree with the other stuff too. Good work!

 

[Smyth94]

finally someone can actually see that dyson and laycock are no good! Youve hit the nail on the head there everlast also agree with the other stuff too. Good work!

I've watched the game a few times now and Dyson was far from bad. He made a couple of errors (the usual Dyson errors) but his last quarter was superb, was cool under pressure, stood up in pressure and hit his targets.

Definitely improving.

 

[Knight Ryders]

Am I wrong in saying that Dyson did a job on Gibbs in the first half? If that is the case, he did a very good job and should play next week.

Probable Outs: Jetta, Nash
Probable Ins: McVeigh, McPhee

 

[cAsEy_18]

IN: McPhee McVeigh
OUT: Myers ??

Think these 2 have to come in. Myers needs to go out, just looks a bit out of it at the moment, and i want to see him dominate at Bendigo for a bit. The other one, well people would think it has to be Nash/Dyson/Jetta. I believe they all have their case for being in the side. Nash's skills are vital to the team, and i struggle to see how people say his skills are poor. His left foot kick that hit Stanton about 40 out in the last quarter was classic Nash. Dyson was far from poor. He's not going to be a gun, and i think we can all accept that, but he's playing his part, he's doing his job, and he's improving on the things he previously hasn't done well (Remember the kick to Skipworth who handballed to Dempsey in the 2nd). I think dropping Dyson now would be the nail for him, it would be such a huge confidence blow for him after he's been doing alright. Jetta is probably the most likely to go from the team. However, i reckon he's vital to our team going forwards. He doesn't need to be the 20possession player that some want him to be, i'd love him to turn out like Eddie Betts, laying the tackles and pressure in the forward line, and crumbing 2-3 goals a game off of our key forwards.
After all that, i think all 3 might struggle to be in the side when Welsh, Reimers, Prismall are all fit, however knowing us we'll have another injury by then. In regards to this week though, i'm confident one of them will get dropped, i'm just not sure which.

 

[efcboy]

been reading thru all this and far too many want to make changes just for the sake of change...if it aint broke don't fix it...

please do some research also - both lonergan and reimers will not be in line for selection this week. why would they risk them anyway when the team performed well?

from what i have seen and heard nobody deserves a promotion from the bendigo team over the current senior players. the first bloke dropped will be jetta as he was brought into replace mcphee and hopefully kick a couple of goals - he failed to do that and went missing when a hard ball effort was required. back to the vfl for leroy.

the next player to drop for mcveigh is a little more difficult - nash is the obvious one but do they remain team balance (like for like) by dropping a midfielder which would mean dyson. dyson has been handy and could be in the mix to get the tagging job on harvey so i think he'll stay in.

mcphee and mcveigh certain inclusions - only other bloke to come under consideration would be quinn. however it would come down to him or myers - given north's likely forwardline setup i feel myers will retain his place as he looks a decent matchup for corey jones.

personally i'd like some stability in the side particularly in defence so i'd stick with the current back 6 - daniher, pears, h.slattery, myers, fletcher, dempsey for the time being.

in: mcveigh, mcphee
out: jetta, nash

 

[warney7]

in: mcveigh, mcphee
out: jetta, nash

Spot on!

 

[Big Blow Hard]

INs are obvious, Mcphee and Mcveigh

OUTS: Myers and Nash...


Both very stiff but i disagree with people calling for Jetta's omission. He added something to the forward line. Him and Davey are a dangerous combo up front. He did have a couple of crucial fumbles but i still think his defensive side warrants him getting another gme.

Nash is the stiffest player but did turn it over too many times for my liking. His decision making is still rather poor.

How many urnovers did he have? I see two clangers in the HUN stats, but otherwise his effectiveness was at 94%. I did not have a complete eye on the game due to being at a noisy, busy pub, but he looked to have done all right to me. And he seemed to be ok when I was able to get a view.
Dyson was far less effective, and has not been that great in past weeks really. I think Dyson and Myers or Jetta might get dropped, but it will come down to team balance I guess. Hille should be ok, and McPhee will come back. Are McVeigh and Lonergan ready yet?

 

[upanddown]

Spot on!

Pretty spot on mate. I also believe Houli has a calf complaint

 

[The Donners]

Neagle and Bellchambers.

They can develop in the VFL, and really need performances to demand senior selection.

Agreed.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

IN: McPhee, McVeigh, Quinn
OUT: Myers, Dyson, Jetta

I was at the North game, and their forwardline was abysmal, and their skills were worse than ours in the NAB Cup.

So Quinn to run like the wind with Dempsey, Daniher, Pears, Nash with him. Their forwardline isn't potent or structured enough to cope.

McPhee, Ryder, Lloyd and Lucas forward, hopefully forcing a mismatch of McMahon on one of them, and a subsequent reaming.

Myers, Dyson and Jetta were our three worst players on Saturday night.

 

[Big Blow Hard]

IN: McPhee, McVeigh, Quinn
OUT: Myers, Dyson, Jetta

I was at the North game, and their forwardline was abysmal, and their skills were worse than ours in the NAB Cup.

So Quinn to run like the wind with Dempsey, Daniher, Pears, Nash with him. Their forwardline isn't potent or structured enough to cope.

McPhee, Ryder, Lloyd and Lucas forward, hopefully forcing a mismatch of McMahon on one of them, and a subsequent reaming.

Myers, Dyson and Jetta were our three worst players on Saturday night.

Quinn might be a good inclusion. Norths small forward have always troubled us. They seem to very good at scoring goals against us when the ball hits the deck near the goals. I see Thomas, Harvey and Campbell as the players who will trouble us most around goals. I don't see they have a key forward capable enough of kicking a bag.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Quinn might be a good inclusion. Norths small forward have always troubled us. They seem to very good at scoring goals against us when the ball hits the deck near the goals. I see Thomas, Harvey and Campbell as the players who will trouble us most around goals. I don't see they have a key forward capable enough of kicking a bag.

Josh Smith tried his guts out yesterday, but didn't do much. Hale is injured. Edwards suspended. Tarrant has 0 AFL games to his name.

Pears will have to play small, and we need to counterattack Thomas and Campbell, as well as a hard tag from Slats on Harvey. If we can tag (or counterattack) two of Thomas, Campbell, Harvey and Wells out of the game, we should win. Three and we will. All four, and 55 points looks good.

 

[Enki]

IN: McPhee, McVeigh, Quinn
OUT: Myers, Dyson, Jetta

I was at the North game, and their forwardline was abysmal, and their skills were worse than ours in the NAB Cup.

Is it even possible to have skills worse than ours in the NAB Cup? We looked very rusty at times in the NAB, and North are usually pretty well drilled, they must have had a bad day.

Anyway, I agree with those changes. Quinn for Myers is a straight swap at HBF, and while Quinn is still developing and will make some errors he does the team things and has great pace. Jetta was inconsistent again and the only quarter I liked from him was the first, McPhee can come in for him and we can go taller. Between Davey, Monfries and Skipworth I think we have enough small forwards who can play midfield, even if they don't play as crumbers like Jetta.

McVeigh for Dyson is kind of unlucky for Dyson actually, while Dyson made some mistakes he actually did some good things and kept his cool in some pressure spots. Having said that he and Zaharakis both played ordinary games, and you keep the kid with less experience and more potential in as you would expect Dyson to perform much better than a 2nd gamer.

 

[Big Blow Hard]

Josh Smith tried his guts out yesterday, but didn't do much. Hale is injured. Edwards suspended. Tarrant has 0 AFL games to his name.

Pears will have to play small, and we need to counterattack Thomas and Campbell, as well as a hard tag from Slats on Harvey. If we can tag (or counterattack) two of Thomas, Campbell, Harvey and Wells out of the game, we should win. Three and we will. All four, and 55 points looks good.

Any chance we could see Tyson Slattery or Hooker promoted. Sound like they were good this weekend. Though I don't think we need to tinker too much with the side. They should get their chances at some stage.