Changes for Showdown

[Papa G]

DBJ needs to get rid of that flopsy muppet hairdo before selection consideration

Looks like he's been trying out for a Split Enz cover band.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Looks like he's been trying out for a Split Enz cover band.

Or stiff the quiff and start a Stray Cats cover band

 

[Dave Omsby]

If Pittard doesn't get up I think Krak would be the obvious replacement

 

[Chewy316]

This is the backline we've always rolled with for the last 2 years with depth switched in for our best 22 defenders/"gold passes".

Stewart has the flexibility to play mid and forward if need be. Pretty sure he played forward against the swannies so he isn't confined to the backline
Krakouer similar, swung forward against the blues and has the nous through kicking 2 in the swans game again not confined to the backline
Impey has shown glimpses of playing wing and running through the middle. Has had a habit of trying to lift us in the last quarter namely in the swans and blues games by using his leg speed through the middle. He's not an out and out midfielder but he can play more outside rather than an inside clearance mid.

These players aren't as one dimensional as everyone thinks. We can also swing trengove forward or play him as second ruck if lobbe goes out, Broadbent moved as an inside middle or o'shea to the wings. Make krak sub etc etc etc The possibilities are endless

You've missed the point I was trying to make.

For starters, our best 22 at the end of last year was made up of 7 defenders:
Carlile
Trengove
Hombsch
Jonas
Pittard
O'Shea
Broadbent

I don't think we've ever played an 8th defender in a game. Impey can play as a midfielder but my point was that if you are playing Impey down back on Betts, that makes essentially 8 guys rotating through the back 50. It's too much.

Sure, some of these players aren't necessarily defenders, but some of the roles you are saying they can provide, is a little excessive. Stewart offers next to nothing as a forward. He tries hard, but that's it. Not AFL standard as a 3rd forward. There are better players who can play that role instead of Stewart. Trengove has played how many games forward in the last 2 and a half years; actually, the amount of quarters he's done that I could count on one hand. With Ryder and Lobbe in the rucks, Trengove doesn't spend much time there either. He is strictly a CHB. If Krakouer comes in as a "like for like" replacement with Pittard, he's not going to be rolling through the midfield or forward lines, nor would he be the sub. Yes, he can do that, but if he's replacing Pittard, he will be the primary playmaker coming out of the backline. Broadbent rotates through the middle at times when we play 7 defenders as per normal, yes. O'Shea hasn't played wing since the days of Primus; they're not suddenly going to put him there in a Showdown at AFL level.

I'd like to see the following lineup against the Crows:

F: Ryder Schulz Neade
HF: Wingard Hoff Monfries
C: Harlett Wines Ebert
HB: Broadbent Trengove O'Shea
B: Clurey Hombsch Impey
FOLL: Lobbe Boak Gray
INT: Amon Krakouer Colquhoun
SUB: Ah Chee

Would allow us to go to 7 defenders (i.e. a +1 with Krakouer) and keeps our run and gun game going with lots of run on the bench in Amon and Colquhoun, without compromising size, height or structure in the forward or back half.

 

[1954]

I think DJB has some pretty smart moves and good skills and I think there is some upside in his game to excel and possibly make AFL, so I think he's safe and is worth persisting. Russell is not woeful as some may say. He checks his opponent quite well and doesn't tend to waste his disposals, pretty clean by hand and foot but unfortunately you can't stay on the rookie list and odds are that he hasn't developed enough to get elevated. He has made a small improvement though. I still believe he would have benefitted from playing sanfl reserves last year to get some more touches, the rules could have delayed his development. He had the late start as well.

I don't know what the big deal is with only having a max of 2 years on the rookie list.

Agree in part, eg Russell having to go straight into the Maggie's senior lineup for his first game, after something like 10 weeks on the sidelines was ridiculous, but that rule, and a number of others, that were clearly designed to restrict the overall strength of the team were agreed to by the heirachy, and I can't see any restrictions being lifted in the forseeable future.

I'm on the same page as REH re the size of players ( particularly for the rookie list ), ie we need to take a punt on more big arsed warriors in the 185 - 190 cm, and the 90 kg plus bracket, players like DBJ, even if he adds 5-7 kegs of muscle would still be giving away height, weight, and strength to the majority of potential AFL opponents.

 

[PA88]

Agree in part, eg Russell having to go straight into the Maggie's senior lineup for his first game, after something like 10 weeks on the sidelines was ridiculous, but that rule, and a number of others, that were clearly designed to restrict the overall strength of the team were agreed to by the heirachy, and I can't see any restrictions being lifted in the forseeable future.

I'm on the same page as REH re the size of players ( particularly for the rookie list ), ie we need to take a punt on more big arsed warriors in the 185 - 190 cm, and the 90 kg plus bracket, players like DBJ, even if he adds 5-7 kegs of muscle would still be giving away height, weight, and strength to the majority of potential AFL opponents.

I can't argue with that policy. Clear as daylight we need that type. I guess DBJ and the position he plays is a likely liability. Unless he can add the kg and be groomed into the midfield he probably is up against it. We wait and see.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Krak was BOG for the Magpies on the weekend, there isn't one single reason that he wouldn't be first in line.

FIT NESS

 

[DazzaTys]

You've missed the point I was trying to make.

For starters, our best 22 at the end of last year was made up of 7 defenders:
Carlile
Trengove
Hombsch
Jonas
Pittard
O'Shea
Broadbent

I don't think we've ever played an 8th defender in a game. Impey can play as a midfielder but my point was that if you are playing Impey down back on Betts, that makes essentially 8 guys rotating through the back 50. It's too much.

Sure, some of these players aren't necessarily defenders, but some of the roles you are saying they can provide, is a little excessive. Stewart offers next to nothing as a forward. He tries hard, but that's it. Not AFL standard as a 3rd forward. There are better players who can play that role instead of Stewart. Trengove has played how many games forward in the last 2 and a half years; actually, the amount of quarters he's done that I could count on one hand. With Ryder and Lobbe in the rucks, Trengove doesn't spend much time there either. He is strictly a CHB. If Krakouer comes in as a "like for like" replacement with Pittard, he's not going to be rolling through the midfield or forward lines, nor would he be the sub. Yes, he can do that, but if he's replacing Pittard, he will be the primary playmaker coming out of the backline. Broadbent rotates through the middle at times when we play 7 defenders as per normal, yes. O'Shea hasn't played wing since the days of Primus; they're not suddenly going to put him there in a Showdown at AFL level.

I'd like to see the following lineup against the Crows:

F: Ryder Schulz Neade
HF: Wingard Hoff Monfries
C: Harlett Wines Ebert
HB: Broadbent Trengove O'Shea
B: Clurey Hombsch Impey
FOLL: Lobbe Boak Gray
INT: Amon Krakouer Colquhoun
SUB: Ah Chee

Would allow us to go to 7 defenders (i.e. a +1 with Krakouer) and keeps our run and gun game going with lots of run on the bench in Amon and Colquhoun, without compromising size, height or structure in the forward or back half.

Great selection except I would like to give ah Chee a full game.

 

[TimmyD11]

Out: Amon/Stewart (Who ever stays to be sub)
In: Krakouer
Need To Lift: Lobbe, Hartlett & Ebert
Likes: Chad Wingard, Neade's pressure and excitement, Westhoff playing like Blicavs, Form of Clurey & O'Shea.
Dislikes: Ah Chee Sub

With Pittard likely out then Krakouer would be a great direct swap without anyone else coming out of the team and Amon sub. I think Colquhoun is in our best 22 but I don't think his SANFL form really warrants a recall.

I really liked the way the team played against Collingwood and I have no doubt that our best side includes Neade and Ah Chee who both provide pressure and excitement. Neade may make mistakes but he allows Wingard along with Gray to go into the midfield but just as importantly it takes pressure off Monfries to hit the scoreboard if playing a lock down role but if he isn't they can all apply more forward 50 pressure. Lobbe was carrying an injury after an early knock so along with the conditions didn't have much of an impact but I'm a firm believer that especially in dry conditions the Lobbe-Ryder combo is our best option. One of the most pleasing things to come out of the weekend was Westhoff's first half, if he can play a 'Blicavs' like role around contests winning taps and clearances up the field and running hard forward to provide an option he could hit top form. I was disappointed to see Ah Chee made sub yet again, he deserves and more importantly has earned an extended run in the starting team as I think he's clearly the best out of the yo-yo fringe players. Hartlett has been down this year but in recent weeks has been better, he had a lean game in terms of stats but did some good things I liked. He and Ebert who has been good most of the season need to lift with Lobbe in the next month as Leadership players.

The team has a conundrum to maintain team balance as with the emergence of Hombsch who is now a better match up for most key forwards we have to make decisions on who to play as our tall defenders. Hombsch took Cloke to the cleaners, most would consider Cloke one of the better 'gorilla' type forwards who in the past would require Carlile to man as other defenders would be monstered, but if Hombsch can take on the biggest forwards as a genuine full back role as well as more versitile forwards then where does that leave Carlile as for team balance its better to have Hombsch play on the best forward, Jacko to take the resting ruckman or second tall and play medium tall defenders like Clurey, O'Shea and Jonas to provide support and more run as well as being better suited to the third tall and offsetting the reduced run with the addition of Ryder. If we're fair dinkum about playing our best football we have to pick the best team with the most inform players for the best balanced team. I just hope the conditions for the game aren't too wet and we come out with passion.

 

[Chewy316]

Great selection except I would like to give ah Chee a full game.

So would I, but I'm not completely sure where he fits. You could perhaps put Amon as the sub instead, giving Ah Chee a full game, but it would mean we'd lose a bit of run, and a long kick for quick movement.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Ah Chee did more in a quarter last week than Amon did in a full game. If Amon retains his spot (which he probably will with another runner in Pittard now out) he has to be the sub over Arch.

 

[PatientMental]

Ah Chee did more in a quarter last week than Amon did in a full game. If Amon retains his spot (which he probably will with another runner in Pittard now out) he has to be the sub over Arch.

2 Quarters*

 

[x_les_x]

You've missed the point I was trying to make.

For starters, our best 22 at the end of last year was made up of 7 defenders:
Carlile
Trengove
Hombsch
Jonas
Pittard
O'Shea
Broadbent

I don't think we've ever played an 8th defender in a game. Impey can play as a midfielder but my point was that if you are playing Impey down back on Betts, that makes essentially 8 guys rotating through the back 50. It's too much.

Sure, some of these players aren't necessarily defenders, but some of the roles you are saying they can provide, is a little excessive. Stewart offers next to nothing as a forward. He tries hard, but that's it. Not AFL standard as a 3rd forward. There are better players who can play that role instead of Stewart. Trengove has played how many games forward in the last 2 and a half years; actually, the amount of quarters he's done that I could count on one hand. With Ryder and Lobbe in the rucks, Trengove doesn't spend much time there either. He is strictly a CHB. If Krakouer comes in as a "like for like" replacement with Pittard, he's not going to be rolling through the midfield or forward lines, nor would he be the sub. Yes, he can do that, but if he's replacing Pittard, he will be the primary playmaker coming out of the backline. Broadbent rotates through the middle at times when we play 7 defenders as per normal, yes. O'Shea hasn't played wing since the days of Primus; they're not suddenly going to put him there in a Showdown at AFL level.

I'd like to see the following lineup against the Crows:

F: Ryder Schulz Neade
HF: Wingard Hoff Monfries
C: Harlett Wines Ebert
HB: Broadbent Trengove O'Shea
B: Clurey Hombsch Impey
FOLL: Lobbe Boak Gray
INT: Amon Krakouer Colquhoun
SUB: Ah Chee

Would allow us to go to 7 defenders (i.e. a +1 with Krakouer) and keeps our run and gun game going with lots of run on the bench in Amon and Colquhoun, without compromising size, height or structure in the forward or back half.

- I was moreso saying who's been replaced rather than the certain best 22. Impey has cemented his spot, was never going to be best 22 in his first season at this level
- stewart rotates through the forward line he doesn't predominantly play there. For someone to be effective you want something like 2 goals a game from a player while these blokes play 85% there while stewart is only there for 30% due to rotation. He provides link up an chain due to as you mentioned his effort. Just because he doesn't get a whole heap of stats on the sheet doesn't make him ineffective. Gus monfries anyone? Let me guess guys like Harvey butcher palmer can play better as a third forward yes?
- we played 8 last week if you count stewart; hombsch, impey, clurey, trengove, pittard, Broadbent, o'shea, stewart for the whole game (lobbe subbed) and we were fine
-Did you not read if lobbe goes out? Vs Essendon 2013, vs carlton 2013, vs Collingwood 2013, vs st Kilda 2014, vs freo 2014. These games jacko played 1 or more quarters forward. Thought hands only had 5 fingers
-Just because we're replacing a player "like for like" doesn't mean the inclusion directly plays the exactly same role as them. Who's to say Broadbent isn't the "primary playmarker" this week, ah chee gets a full game because of his performance last week - amon goes sub, impey to betts and krak to Cameron.
-Bench is too light, ken won't bring in both krakouer and Colquhoun after 1 week might aswell bring Jonas back too. Compared to crows' bench with crouch and ellis yolemen as the bigger body midfielders their b grade and under players will have the better of our lightweights.

Betts has played so well against us in recent times not because the defender on him was absolute garbage. The only exception was kicking a few on Jonas because Jonas couldn't keep his feet and was slack with tackling; got him head high a couple times. He's that freak type of player that makes anything happen regardless. Our mids can ease the pressure on impey if they can win the midfield battle statistically. In saying that if the crows kicked a mung out infront of eddie he would still find a way to kick a freak goal that's just how he is. it doesn't matter if you play a loose in defence. That only works against big key forwards because they're more often than not immobile at ground level their direct opponent has the abilitiy to sheppard to let the spare clear the ball. If eddie doesn't mark the ball, when it gets to ground he'll still find a way to win it and become effective. You can let him kick his bag just as long as every other forward is accounted for and tightly restricted.

Trengove>Jenkins
Hombsch>Walker
Impey>Betts
Krakouer>Cameron
Clurey>Lynch
Broadbent>Knight/resting Dangerfield/douglas
O'shea spare

In:krakouer, young
out:stewart, pittard

 

[Jonts]

Betts is a class or two above impey

 

[Portmanteau]

Betts is a class or two above impey

I think they are to be read as arrows rather than 'greater than' signs.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

No Bobby no Jasper - Kenny wont be able to resist bring back Jonas.

 

[It Just Is]

I don't know what the big deal is with only having a max of 2 years on the rookie list.

AFL Players Association amateurism at its finest.

Jack Frost plays all 22 games in 2014, and round 1 starter in 2015, yet can remain on the rookie list.

Adam Schnieder 200+ game veteran, and round 1 starter, yet can be rookie-listed.

Sam Russell made his draft year cutoff by a just few day, showing improvement but still a long way off making an AFL debut, better force the club into making a call on his future.

 

[Schulzenfest]

You've been able to keep players as a third year rookie for a few years now. #carn guys

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Most people would prefer Pittard to play on a wing anyway so he doesn't need to be replaced with a like for like. Steward or Hartlett could be thrown to half back and be more likely to get the sort of metres gained that Pittard does hopefully without the bombscare moments and occasional explosion.

That leaves all sorts of options to come in. Krakouer could come in and be the sub then go forward late in the game and kick a few game sealers (). We could even use Kane Mitchell in his hard running sub role where he can take advantage of wearying opponents. Hey El_Scorcho why not give Butcher a run out of the green vest and give us some tall flexibility?

 

[El_Scorcho]

Obviously pick Butcher at all costs

I'd be happy to see Hartlett play the role and have Krak on a wing or vice versa.

 

[Byrons Firen]

Reading posters who say Lobbe needs to lift are assuming he can. His speed across the ground isn't going to improve
or his leaping ability. His taps to advantage are ordinary and his marking diabolical.
Forget his game v Collingwood coz he was hurt in the 1st minute. I don't count that against him at all but his season so far
has been . If 2015 ends up a disappointment then roll on 2016 and getting time into Frampton who is already faster
a better mark and a good kick who will only get better.
Glad to be wrong but not sure Lobbes or Big Red are our future answers and drafting of Dougal and Billy tells me the club
think so too.
If this post gets palmed off as personal my point has been missed. We need to be professional.

 

[PA88]

Reading posters who say Lobbe needs to lift are assuming he can. His speed across the ground isn't going to improve
or his leaping ability. His taps to advantage are ordinary and his marking diabolical.
Forget his game v Collingwood coz he was hurt in the 1st minute. I don't count that against him at all but his season so far
has been . If 2015 ends up a disappointment then roll on 2016 and getting time into Frampton who is already faster
a better mark and a good kick who will only get better.
Glad to be wrong but not sure Lobbes or Big Red are our future answers and drafting of Dougal and Billy tells me the club
think so too.
If this post gets palmed off as personal my point has been missed. We need to be professional.

Its all a possibility. Lobbe is a concern.

 

[FallingLiefs]

Re: Pittard

We are so lost without him, nearly have to force the issue with maybe having to play Impey more offensively than planned.

For mine though: Stewart go back, Krak sub. Big week for O'Shea and Broadbent.

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

I would say krak is 100% to replace pittard

 

[Byrons Firen]

Most of us hope so
His poise in a Showdown
Tinkerbell dust