Changes for the 3rd Test

[iluvparis]

Whatever way you cut it, Pete The Incomplete's batting is historically bad for ANY keeper, let alone Australian in the last 20 years. There is no way his keeping is that good to make up for it.

 

[The_Reaper]

Well I don't disagree with dropping him.

Just pointing out that imo the average excuse is bullshit because if he had flattracked against the Windies he'd have a better average but still be exactly the same player.

But its time to give the Taswegian lad a go

 

[PhatBoy]

Well I don't disagree with dropping him.

Just pointing out that imo the average excuse is bullshit because if he had flattracked against the Windies he'd have a better average but still be exactly the same player.

But its time to give the Taswegian lad a go

1. it's hypothetical - David Warner, prior to that absolutely meaningless century on the last afternoon in Sydney after 3 days of rain, averaged something like 18 or 20 against the West Indies.

2. he had plenty of chances to score runs in all his other matches

3. you could say the same about anyone batting at 6, 7 or 8 in the dominant Australian teams or dominant west indies sides - they didn't get the chance to trample all.over their broken opponents the same way that their top 4 or 5 batsmen did. yet they all managed to fare better than Nevill .

 

[roscreasl98]

1. it's hypothetical - David Warner, prior to that absolutely meaningless century on the last afternoon in Sydney after 3 days of rain, averaged something like 18 or 20 against the West Indies.

2. he had plenty of chances to score runs in all his other matches

3. you could say the same about anyone batting at 6, 7 or 8 in the dominant Australian teams or dominant west indies sides - they didn't get the chance to trample all.over their broken opponents the same way that their top 4 or 5 batsmen did. yet they all managed to fare better than Nevill .

No such thing as a meaningless century.......

 

[PhatBoy]

No such thing as a meaningless century.......

This one was.

 

[Marklar_33]

Whatever way you cut it, Pete The Incomplete's batting is historically bad for ANY keeper, let alone Australian in the last 20 years. There is no way his keeping is that good to make up for it.

I thought this would get old, but no. It just keeps getting funnier...

 

[Marklar_33]

Serious question. Where's Fawad Ahmed and why is he not in the discussion? Was it last year he led the Shield in wickets?

 

[Stig O'Hara]

$9.20 a beer this weekend!!!

That's the real cricket crime, the Faf business pales against it.

In: hip flask.

 

[Marklar_33]

My wife is not going to be too pleased on the weekend. Shield cricket starting at 10.30 means almost 12 hours of red ball cricket on tv!

When the 2nd NZ Test starts on Friday, I'll be watching 8:30-whenever stumps is in Adelaide for 4 days...and off on paternity leave at the perfect time

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

He averages 22 when coming in with a sub 100 score and 22.29 overall. It's not really impacting his average.

Thing is, if we were making 300+ scores more regularly, then you can carry him easier than if we are 5-50 all the time.
You're happier to take his odd decent score on the basis his keeping is better than most.

The fact we are struggling means we have to look for a keeper that has to make big scores more regularly to compensate.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

Serious question. Where's Fawad Ahmed and why is he not in the discussion? Was it last year he led the Shield in wickets?

Cause he's not getting a game for the vics. Holland in front of him

 

[Doodlesweaver]

I have - for far too many tests

His concentration is poor, his comes up from his feet too early and he is slow to move.

Balls he should be taking on his inside hip (RHBowler to RHBatsman) he takes on his outside hip.

Like Haddin - he is capable of some remarkable catches - but it is the mundane ball to ball keeping that hurts.

He's had a while out of the team now - i hope he has spent that working his box off.

That's what I remember from his keeping at test level. Drove me mad. I really hope keeping to spin at Vic has sorted his issues out. Watching him in ODIs, he's stil got hard hands too.

I''m hoping for the best but luckily we aren't going to win in India anyway as that will be a very difficult tour for him.

 

[a mayes ing]

Whatever way you cut it, Pete The Incomplete's batting is historically bad for ANY keeper, let alone Australian in the last 20 years. There is no way his keeping is that good to make up for it.

you could say the same thing about Wade...
Whatever way you cut it, there is no way Wade's batting is that good to make up for his keeping mistakes.

Feel like Wade's batting is being over-inflated here.

 

[Slax]

Assuming everyone is fit, and assuming we select 3 fast bowlers and 1 spinner, what is our best bowling attack?

Pattinson, Cummins & Starc

Holland or O'Keefe for spin. Lyon has been very ordinary this series and is only there now on reputation.

 

[Slax]

you could say the same thing about Wade...
Whatever way you cut it, there is no way Wade's batting is that good to make up for his keeping mistakes.

Feel like Wade's batting is being over-inflated here.

Feels a lot like people are judging Wade on his keeping from 2013 too.

 

[Underdog]

you could say the same thing about Wade...
Whatever way you cut it, there is no way Wade's batting is that good to make up for his keeping mistakes.

Feel like Wade's batting is being over-inflated here.

I don't think people are particularly sold with Wade either, I'm not.

But Nevill wasn't working so we have to try something. Hopefully he's improved from what we saw 3 years ago. It's not unprecedented.

 

[PhatBoy]

Pattinson, Cummins & Starc

Holland or O'Keefe for spin. Lyon has been very ordinary this series and is only there now on reputation.

Why does Cummins get a free ride into these fantasy teams all the time?

OK, he bowled amazingly on debut, and hasn't had much opportunity to screw that reputation up since - but if you take that match out, his record albeit over a small sample size, is quite ordinary.

Players with some shock value - ie fast bowlers, unusual batsmen, ultra aggressive batsmen - it isn't unheard of for them to succeed immediately but be found out. Phil Hughes was a good example.

There is absolutely nothing about Cummins that would make me want to pick him ahead of Hazelwood if the call had to be made between them.

 

[a mayes ing]

I don't think people are particularly sold with Wade either, I'm not.

But Nevill wasn't working so we have to try something. Hopefully he's improved from what we saw 3 years ago. It's not unprecedented.

Your right, Nevill wasn't really working but l think l am just nervous with India coming up. Hard enough getting 20 wickets.
Hopefully Wade has improved significantly with the gloves.

 

[a mayes ing]

Why does Cummins get a free ride into these fantasy teams all the time?

OK, he bowled amazingly on debut, and hasn't had much opportunity to screw that reputation up since - but if you take that match out, his record albeit over a small sample size, is quite ordinary.

Players with some shock value - ie fast bowlers, unusual batsmen, ultra aggressive batsmen - it isn't unheard of for them to succeed immediately but be found out. Phil Hughes was a good example.

There is absolutely nothing about Cummins that would make me want to pick him ahead of Hazelwood if the call had to be made between them.

I don't think you would pick Cummins over Hazlewood imo, totally different bowlers.
Slax's bowling lineup of Pattinson, Cummins and Starc is off l reckon. Very similar type of bowlers in that they are fast and swing it a bit. No line and length or slower fast bowlers to mix up the pace.

Imo, bowling lineup should be Starc, Pattinson/Cummins, Hazlewood.

The reason with Cummins is that he has everything that it takes to be a superstar. Lightning quick, can swing it both ways and has all the shots (yorkery, fast short ball, slower short ball etc.)He just needs to be injury free which hasn't happened.

 

[PhatBoy]

I don't think you would pick Cummins over Hazlewood imo, totally different bowlers.
Slax's bowling lineup of Pattinson, Cummins and Starc is off l reckon. Very similar type of bowlers in that they are fast and swing it a bit. No line and length or slower fast bowlers to mix up the pace.

Imo, bowling lineup should be Starc, Pattinson/Cummins, Hazlewood.

The reason with Cummins is that he has everything that it takes to be a superstar. Lightning quick, can swing it both ways and has all the shots (yorkery, fast short ball, slower short ball etc.)He just needs to be injury free which hasn't happened.

Is he that quick though? I haven't paid much attention to the ODIS he's played since so for all I know he has been bowling rockets. but on debut he was early to mid 140s - no slow by any means but not noticeably quicker than Pattinson for example.

 

[Cleavy]

Why does Cummins get a free ride into these fantasy teams all the time?

OK, he bowled amazingly on debut, and hasn't had much opportunity to screw that reputation up since - but if you take that match out, his record albeit over a small sample size, is quite ordinary.

Players with some shock value - ie fast bowlers, unusual batsmen, ultra aggressive batsmen - it isn't unheard of for them to succeed immediately but be found out. Phil Hughes was a good example.

There is absolutely nothing about Cummins that would make me want to pick him ahead of Hazelwood if the call had to be made between them.

well he's getting a free ride into the ODI team now...
http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket...y/news-story/8a5e05fa5d0d2f0748a1b72be2bc8455

 

[a mayes ing]

Is he that quick though? I haven't paid much attention to the ODIS he's played since so for all I know he has been bowling rockets. but on debut he was early to mid 140s - no slow by any means but not noticeably quicker than Pattinson for example.

nuh, on test debut he was bowling over 150kms/h. Dunno if he has lost any pace but am pretty sure he can crank it to high 140's still

 

[a mayes ing]

well he's getting a free ride into the ODI team now...
http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket...y/news-story/8a5e05fa5d0d2f0748a1b72be2bc8455

As he should imo, our 50 over bowling unit against SA was absolutly deplorably. Even if Cummins is coming backing from injury, still better at 50 over games than Tremain et al.

The unfortunate thing with our 50 over bowlers in South Africa is that they were all same same. All around 135-140 km's/h and didn't do much with the ball. At least now we will have some strike power in the opening and death overs.

 

[bird_man]

Wades keeping when Holland has been bowling has actually been quite good this year. He's definitely improved since his last stint. Still not going to say I'm 100% confident in the guy but I'm sure this had some bearing on th decision. I remember either the first or second game this year wade took a couple of really nice catches and a stumping very close together. All things a test keeper should do but it was a good sign.

Being colour blind with a pink ball is a bit of a ****ing worry though!

 

[ROOTA#6]

nuh, on test debut he was bowling over 150kms/h. Dunno if he has lost any pace but am pretty sure he can crank it to high 140's still

He was never that quick