Changes for the 3rd Test

[a mayes ing]

Like Jonathon Trott?

#toosoon

Was it the chirping that got Trott, or the 150km/h thundrbolt that was aiming for his head...

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

I think the chirping actually does the opposite effect imo. Plenty of batsmen who have made big hundreds against us have said that the chirping that we do has actually spirred them on.

Depends on the batsman doesn't it, sometimes the chirp works and sometimes the batsman is mentally strong enough to use it to his advantage. Worth a try though.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

What? Stop being so reasonable! You're a disgrace to the thread!

Vics>>>Sandgropers.

Is that better?

 

[a mayes ing]

Depends on the batsman doesn't it, sometimes the chirp works and sometimes the batsman is mentally strong enough to use it to his advantage. Worth a try though.

Worth a try but as you say, it can have the negative effect. People like Kohli and probably Root, it is just going to make our job so much more difficult.

Bloody Kohli, every time he comes to Aussie shores he gets 100's all over the place, goes over to England and is terrible.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Worth a try but as you say, it can have the negative effect. People like Kohli and probably Root, it is just going to make our job so much more difficult.

Bloody Kohli, every time he comes to Aussie shores he gets 100's all over the place, goes over to England and is terrible.

Yep. You'd like to think that if it wasn't working they would give the batsman the silent treatment instead. Not sure our guys are smart enough to do that though, they like their sledging too much.

 

[Cold Sober]

Probably been asked but what about Zampa; if Smith wont bowl himself throw the kid in and let him bowl.
When is last time off spin won us a test; Ponting; Clarke and now Smith all too scared to bowl a leggie .Smith used to get a bowl at 1/230 so he should know better,we are not finishing sides off .Everyone still struggles with a bit of good old fashion legspin

 

[The Passenger]

Kinda wish they just played Sayers to stop the whinging on here. I liked his attitude how he was saying he's not going to try change the bowler he is because people said it would never be successful at the very top level. it's got him this far and that's the bowler he is. In saying that, I'd be pleasantly surprised if he makes a proper first of it at test level.

The fact he does it swing it gives him a lot more hope then medium pace up and down bowlers like Mennie, Hastings, McKay et al. But even Nathan Bracken who swung it around didn't have much success in his few tests due to lack of penetration. Sayers is a very similar bowler to Bracken (aside from obviously left arm being a major point of difference). Most bowlers who operate in those lower speeds need to be exceptionally good and have a point of difference (bounce, swing, seam, accuracy to forge out a successful test career and even that is sometimes not enough. Copeland, Dale, George are other medium pacers who did have that point of difference but couldn't crack it. Plenty of other FC cricketers who weren't even given the chance.

I'd be surprised if Sayers doesn't get a chance at some point this summer and he'll need to have an immediate impact because it'll be hard for him to crack it once injured players start returning (if they ever do).

Probably been asked but what about Zampa; if Smith wont bowl himself throw the kid in and let him bowl.
When is last time off spin won us a test; Ponting; Clarke and now Smith all too scared to bowl a leggie .Smith used to get a bowl at 1/230 so he should know better,we are not finishing sides off .Everyone still struggles with a bit of good old fashion legspin

Zampa is a long way from test standard. Too fast through the air and bowls too much loose stuff. He might have matured a bit but he was a real prick of a kid to deal with when he hit the Sydney grade scene about 7 years ago. That will never help your cause.

 

[a mayes ing]

I don't understand our selectors fascination with speed. McGrath wasn't fast.
But Sayers has been one of the leading SS bowlers for several years now. He obviously doesn't need the pace to get rid of players.
Players will always struggle with a bowler who can bowl 130's and put it in the right areas and swing it a little than someone who can bowl 145's

 

[The Passenger]

I don't understand our selectors fascination with speed. McGrath wasn't fast.
But Sayers has been one of the leading SS bowlers for several years now. He obviously doesn't need the pace to get rid of players.
Players will always struggle with a bowler who can bowl 130's and put it in the right areas and swing it a little than someone who can bowl 145's

I don't recall seeing Sayers on the speed gun, but I don't think he'll crack 130 too often.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Well between Faf's lollies and Australian selectors' lols, there's at least been PLENTY of interest generated for what is a dead rubber.

Its a good point you make. This is a very intriguing dead rubber when you also factor in first test under lights

 

[a mayes ing]

I don't recall seeing Sayers on the speed gun, but I don't think he'll crack 130 too often.

Geese is he even less than 130... Thats really slow.... but he is still taking a lot of wickets, so does speed matter if he is taking a lot of wickets on our pitches?

 

[The Passenger]

Geese is he even less than 130... Thats really slow.... but he is still taking a lot of wickets, so does speed matter if he is taking a lot of wickets on our pitches?

I could be underestimating him a little bit, but we'll see if he gets his chance. I'm not expecting to see much get above 130. I don't recall seeing him in domestic one day games with a speed gun so if others have they can give me context. If he gets wickets then he'll keep getting picked, but he'll need to shine quickly. He's not the sort of bowler they'll stick with if he doesn't perform straight away.

 

[JackOutback]

I could be underestimating him a little bit, but we'll see if he gets his chance. I'm not expecting to see much get above 130. I don't recall seeing him in domestic one day games with a speed gun so if others have they can give me context. If he gets wickets then he'll keep getting picked, but he'll need to shine quickly. He's not the sort of bowler they'll stick with if he doesn't perform straight away.

We call that the Mennie Method of selection.

 

[The Passenger]

We call that the Mennie Method of selection.

He's not the first and won't be the last bowler to be discarded after one test. It was a selection error picking him in the first place. Don't need to compound that mistake by picking him multiple times.

The difference between a batsmen failing and a bowler failing is you still get to see the bowler failing over and over and over again in that test (or those tests if they got multiple). It sticks in the selectors mind a lot more.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

A query to my Australian supporting counterparts - do any of you guys still think starc has a bit to prove?

He was colossal in Sri Lanka, absolutely no doubt about it.
But save for a good burst at the start in Perth and 2 overs in Hobart he hasn't looked likely at home.

Obviously he's got all the tools, but is there a scenario in which you could see him being under any pressure in the next, say, 12 months?

He bowled against an incredibly inexperienced batting line-up in Sri Lanka. He's not bowling against that sort of team now of course. You can't expect him to have that sort of series again in a hurry.

 

[Del165198]

I hope we get smashed again so the humiliation is complete

 

[Jimthegreat]

Worth a try but as you say, it can have the negative effect. People like Kohli and probably Root, it is just going to make our job so much more difficult.

Bloody Kohli, every time he comes to Aussie shores he gets 100's all over the place, goes over to England and is terrible.

We keep rolling our roads for Kohli while England roll out green seamers.

 

[roscreasl98]

He's not the first and won't be the last bowler to be discarded after one test. It was a selection error picking him in the first place. Don't need to compound that mistake by picking him multiple times.

The difference between a batsmen failing and a bowler failing is you still get to see the bowler failing ovazer and over and over again in that test (or those tests if they got multiple). It sticks in the selectors mind a lot more.

This is amazing. You guys have already written off and dropped The Chadd Man. And after no tests. Now that's a record.

 

[roscreasl98]

He bowled against an incredibly inexperienced batting line-up in Sri Lanka. He's not bowling against that sort of team now of course. You can't expect him to have that sort of series again in a hurry.

He had a serious knee injury, 30 stiches required, a month before the test series started remember.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

I don't understand our selectors fascination with speed. McGrath wasn't fast.

McGrath had height and bounce, which made him more penetrating that a lot other bowlers his speed.

Sayers is about 15cm shorter than McGrath.

But Sayers has been one of the leading SS bowlers for several years now. He obviously doesn't need the pace to get rid of players.

In Test matches, he'll be up against much better batsmen. Nathan Bracken, Clint McKay, Jon Hastings, Trent Copeland... just to name a few off the top of my head, all had good domestic records and were all too slow to have any impact in Test matches.

Players will always struggle with a bowler who can bowl 130's and put it in the right areas and swing it a little than someone who can bowl 145's

I hope so. I have no issue with Sayers being given a game... I think you have to reward form. But I won't be surprised if the Saffers absolutely murder him.

 

[Marklar_33]

He bowled against an incredibly inexperienced batting line-up in Sri Lanka. He's not bowling against that sort of team now of course. You can't expect him to have that sort of series again in a hurry.

Especially if he continues to refuse to bowl line and length

 

[Bradesmaen]

He bowled against an incredibly inexperienced batting line-up in Sri Lanka. He's not bowling against that sort of team now of course. You can't expect him to have that sort of series again in a hurry.

No, but if he's going to be a regular in the Australian team he should start taking regular wickets without going for a billion runs.

 

[roscreasl98]

McGrath had height and bounce, which made him more penetrating that a lot other bowlers his speed.

Sayers is about 15cm shorter than McGrath.



In Test matches, he'll be up against much better batsmen. Nathan Bracken, Clint McKay, Jon Hastings, Trent Copeland... just to name a few off the top of my head, all had good domestic records and were all too slow to have any impact in Test matches.



I hope so. I have no issue with Sayers being given a game... I think you have to reward form. But I won't be surprised if the Saffers absolutely murder him.

But he's not playing, because Smith already named his 11, and Bird's playing, not Chad. Thought everyone knew that!

 

[Kram]

No, but if he's going to be a regular in the Australian team he should start taking regular wickets without going for a billion runs.

I've told you a million times not to exaggerate.

 

[The Passenger]

This is amazing. You guys have already written off and dropped The Chadd Man. And after no tests. Now that's a record.

What you talking about footyman? I was writing about Mennie. Learn to comprehension brah.