Changes for the 5th Test SCG

[Mick98]

Hughes is rubbish.

Do not want.

 

[nick1408]

Not every side has an elite spinner either. Like with Herath in Australia last year, Hughes was very well suited at number 3.

You want me to enlighten you? Well his 81 not out he showed that once he was in he could handle Swann.

The other is his 69 in India when he came in against a couple of quicks, took 3 overs to smash them out of the attack and get to about 25 and then worked around the spin effectively, getting down the pitch on several occasions and putting them through midwicket. His decision was a howler. An absolute howler. His 40 odd in the next match or innings was the exact same, he was in and working the spin around and copped a disgraceful decision. I remember the excitement i felt at the time that we had a batsman that would work hard to address his weaknesses.

He is the most qualified and deserving bat Aus has outside of the 11 and was dropped based on one bad test. In the meantime Rogers has addressed some of his issues against spin whilst being in the team.

Good luck Hughes playing Shillingford, Ajmal, or Narine. Peterson would cause him issues as well, and Pakistan have good spinners too

Hughes has scores of 50 or more against the following spinners:

Paul Harris
JP Duminy
Daniel Vettori
Herath
Dilshan
Imran Tahir
Ashwin
Ohja
Jedeja
Swann

In addition, at test level he has been dismissed 27 times by a pace bowler and 18 times by a spinner (38% of the time). Of the 27 times a paceman has him out 26 times are against right arm bowlers. The spinners are 10 to right arm spinners and 8 to left armers.

I have picked out 3 more batsman - Marcus North, Simon Katich and Brad Haddin. Their records against spinners are as follows:

North - 20 times out to pace, 13 to spin (37% dismissal to spinners)
Katich - 56 to pace, 35 to spin (36% dismissal to spinners)
Haddin - 51 to pace, 27 to spin (31% of dismissals to spinners)

With another opener and a middle order batsman both around the same percentage I don't think his 'weakness' is as profound as you make it out to be. Out of interest's sake, Steve Waugh was dismissed 24% of the time to spin and Hayden 29% of the time.

Edit: Oh, and right now I don't think Hughes would have any issues against Shillingford

 

[Jimthegreat]

Compared to Hughe's 549 runs in 5 matches.

Massive difference

Hughes has had his chance and failed and failed and failed and failed again .

No more going back to the likes of Hughes and Khawaja. That's when we're struggling. We need to move on from them. Why do people want to go back there.

 

[Jimthegreat]

The only change I'd make is Doolan in for Bailey, if everyone is fit of course. That way Clarke can bat at 5 and Smith at 6.

If Watson is injured then Faulkner would replace him. If Harris doesn't come up then Coulter-Nile comes in for his first test.

 

[The_Reaper]

Good luck Hughes playing Shillingford, Ajmal, or Narine. Peterson would cause him issues as well, and Pakistan have good spinners too

At first class/test level Hughes will have no problem with Narine or Peterson. As for Shillingford he will be suspended.

 

[Atley]

Struggling against Chuckers not something to be ashamed about.

 

[Tulip]

Because our bowling and poor English batting is disguising the fact that our batting isn't good enough.

Warner, Rogers, Watson, Clarke, Smith and Haddin have all made centuries this series. We can afford to carry an out of form bat if theres no better option.

 

[The_Reaper]

Warner, Rogers, Watson, Clarke, Smith and Haddin have all made centuries this series. We can afford to carry an out of form bat if theres no better option.

And our batting remains not good enough. Bring on some sideways movement and see how they go.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Warner, Rogers, Watson, Clarke, Smith and Haddin have all made centuries this series. We can afford to carry an out of form bat if theres no better option.

There are better options though. Hughes, White, North, Doolan, Lynn etc. are all more worthy than Bailey.

Bailey is in the Quiney school of batsmen who have been very, very lucky to win a baggy green.

 

[Dan Cooper]

There seems to be enthusiasm from the Aussie camp to take the same Ashes winning 11 through the entire series, and therefore go to Sydney unchanged.

I can understand how that might have appeal. But with the Ashes already secured I think we probably should pick the best 11 we can - fitness and health withstanding - and if that means a change or two so be it.

The biggest call with probably be on George Bailey. If he gets left out in Sydney, that's probably the end of his brief Test career.

 

[Portmanteau]

Question from nowhere, and apologies for the ignorance, is Hilfy done at test level ?


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[Carbine Chaos]

Question from nowhere, and apologies for the ignorance, is Hilfy done at test level ?

I'd say yes, a lot of players in front of him now.

 

[The_Reaper]

Question from nowhere, and apologies for the ignorance, is Hilfy done at test level ?


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Yes. Seems to have lost a bit. Not even sure he'd be in the top 10 in line for a spot.

 

[DaRick]

There are better options though. Hughes, White, North, Doolan, Lynn etc. are all more worthy than Bailey.

Bailey is in the Quiney school of batsmen who have been very, very lucky to win a baggy green.

Quiney arguably deserved a shot based on FC exploits; he just wasn't good enough in the end.

Agree about Bailey though; he was only selected based on what I would call the Hussey principle (outstanding ODI form) - only it hasn't really come off. I would be entirely happy if he was thanked for his services and discarded before the 5th Test.

 

[frankrizzo]

I understand why they gave bailey a bit more time, he's the sort of likeable character we and they all wanted to succeed but just wanting him to be a test cricketer doesn't make him one.

I also understand they are reluctant to break up this team mid series and to give one of the younger bats just the one dead rubber test but if bailey plays at sydney and doesn't score big i think we will see him miss the SA tour and one of the younger bats will get that whole series.

 

[Super Hans]

Hughes has had his chance and failed and failed and failed and failed again .

No more going back to the likes of Hughes and Khawaja. That's when we're struggling. We need to move on from them. Why do people want to go back there.

God knows why we'd want to go back to a 24 year old who is the best batsman in the shield, it's madness, aye.

 

[frankrizzo]

Hughes will get more shots at it for sure but at the same time he isn't as unlucky as people here seem to like saying.

His numbers since his debut series(nearly 5 years ago now) are just abysmal, i am sure blokes like cowan and usman would like to get 23 tests while averaging just 27.

The batting has been a revolving door the last 3 or so years and hughes has been given more opportunities than many of the others.

Cowan averaged 31 over just 18 tests including a ton recently vs SA and nobody is crying for him.

khawaja got just 9 test matches spread across 3 years and 4 different countries and he never got more than 3 tests in a row and nobody is crying for him.

Those blokes weren't treated any better but they also didn't do enough with the shots they had and neither did hughes.

 

[Jimthegreat]

God knows why we'd want to go back to a 24 year old who is the best batsman in the shield, it's madness, aye.

God knows why we would want to keep going back to a player who has failed and failed and failed again at Test level. Good enough reason why? How many more failures do you want. Our Test batting line-up has been better since Hughes and Khawaja have been dropped from the line-up. To put it plainly he's been deadset no friggin good at Test level. His technique has been found out a trillion times. Don't think it's hard at all.

I select to win to Test matches, unlike others.

 

[Reykjavik]

Question from nowhere, and apologies for the ignorance, is Hilfy done at test level ?


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Harris
Siddle
Johnson
Pattinson
Bird
Starc
Cummins
Coulter-Nile
Bollinger
Hazelwood

Would take any of those over him if fit easily. Probably add the likes of Cutting, Sayers and Sandhu.

Lost zip and his outswinger. The question is whether he might be done at FC level shortly.

 

[eth-dog]

Harris
Siddle
Johnson
Pattinson
Bird
Starc
Cummins
Coulter-Nile
Bollinger
Hazelwood

Would take any of those over him if fit easily. Probably add the likes of Cutting, Sayers and Sandhu.

Lost zip and his outswinger. The question is whether he might be done at FC level shortly.

I actually think it's better for Tassie (and Australia) if he doesn't play and they go with the 2nd SLA spinner in Clive Rose

 

[Reykjavik]

I actually think it's better for Tassie (and Australia) if he doesn't play and they go with the 2nd SLA spinner in Clive Rose

I have liked what I've seen but havent seen much. Then again, I think Holland is better than either but isnt getting a gig for Victoria so who knows.

 

[eth-dog]

I have liked what I've seen but havent seen much. Then again, I think Holland is better than either but isnt getting a gig for Victoria so who knows.

Holland is better than Ahmed, but for some reason the blokes up top disagree with me

 

[Torz]

Holland is better than Ahmed, but for some reason the blokes up top disagree with me

I lost confidence in Holland after England pasted him to all parts in the tour match.

 

[eth-dog]

I lost confidence in Holland after England pasted him to all parts in the tour match.

Still better than Ahmed

 

[Torz]

Still better than Ahmed

I reckon alot of your hate is of the hype.