Preview Changes & Pre-match Discussion - EF vs. West Coast Eagles - OS (Perth), Sat 03/10 @ 8:10pm AEST

Do you think we can win?


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stormskye

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Yup, that’s why I’m convinced we need to play Reid.

Reid, Mihocek & Cox play the KPF role. De GOEY floats in and out of the midfield/forward role.

Especially against WCE who rely on their defenders taking marks. If we can prevent them taking marks, we may stand a chance.
We are no chance to beat eagles at home by kicking 40-50pts which is what we do weekly. If degoey doesn’t kick 4, we literally have no capacity to kick a winning score.

That said yes, reid or kelly need to play. I just want something different.
 
Nov 16, 2014
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No point playing DeGoey deep forward when we play a slow entry game into F50, and he is continually outnumbered once the ball gets into F50. DeGoey needs to be in the play, either put him in the midfield or play him high F50, like a roaming CHF.

He wins games off his own boot. Literally the only player we have right now who can do that. Can’t do that from the midfield. If we want another big bodied midfielder than bring Sier in

If De Goey plays mid there’s no way we kick more than 6 goals against the Eagles
 

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Sep 11, 2006
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Last night was a reflection of ongoing problems.

1/ Grundy may be injured, but his tapwork has been problematic for a while.
It was one of the things I called out in the '3 things we'd like to see' lists at the start of the year.
Remember the prelim last year? We can't maintain Anthony Rocca as a ruck coach.
We also need to get our mids on the move at stoppages. Jordy gets it. Robbie Gray certainly understood it last night. Tapping to Grundy's feet and having stagnant on ballers ready to be tackled won't get us where we need to be. We also need someone boundary side on the move at boundary throw ins. How often does Grundy knock it forward and we have no-one there?????

2/ Forward line. Cox competed and brought the ball to ground, but our small forwards don't know where to position themselves. If the ball is falling short - get to the front and vice versa (did they watch Motlop last night and Duursma late in the game as the ball got punched out of our defence? Saints did it well on the weekend too) Also, we still haven't all worked out how to kick to Cox. Tay Adams drills the ball in low to the top of the square and the ball gets cut off. John Noble minutes later lobs it high to the side and Cox marks and has a kick on goal. Our kicking inside 50 was poor again last night. Pendles missed a target badly (but Bonner panicked and we scored). Billy's left foot kick late in the game was also poor.

3/ Slow ball movement. Sometimes you've got to move it on quickly. Roughead is a repeat offender. Magden similar. Mayne also. Shaz too. It's part of our inability to score. Teams then get set in defence.

To those who were caning Roughead, he's actually an extremely effective one-on-one player. His opponents have barely scored against him this season excl Josh Kennedy. Again, Dixon did SFA last night ex the one tap out that Grundy gifted him for his single goal.

I must admit, I'm not sure that Ben Brown would be all that effective in our forward line given the way we move it in either. He'd be the same as Cox
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In : Sier, Mayne (reticent on this one as he is part of our problems with slow, safe ball movement)
Out : Varcoe, T Brown

Sier into the middle and Billy to spend more time up forward for Varcoe. Mayne to a wing.
Despite Stephenson's difficulties, he still scored a goal again last night. Another thing that Cal Brown can't manage. I'd play him.

Amazing stat last night on the coverage. Roughy has only had more than 1 goal kicked on him once this season, when Kennedy tore us apart and kicked 5 on Roughy. He's been massively underrated since coming across to us.

2nd point can't be highlighted enough. We could have a combo of Coleman, Plugger and Gaz Snr... and we still wouldn't get it in there quickly!
 

stormskye

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We continue to play forwards who lack any capability of scoring. Thomas, whe, Varcoe, brown. I’d add Elliot to this mix but he’s been playing mid..And then we wonder why we lose games. We are literally so reliant on degoey it’s embarrassing. Poor bloke needs to kick 4 to give us a chance.

Maybe next week, put our defenders forward, and our forwards back?
 

Scratchy05

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Roughead was good, Dixon not that effective, that’s a big win
I though Dixon played very well tbh but it was up the ground so actually, fair point. Does a job and that is vital. I do think youth is the way to go though. Maybe risk aBen Reid. Idk, just gotta change it up.
 

Spuddd

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Out: Elliott
In: Sier

IMO we could have won last night, there was a patch of around 10 mins, we had just kicked a goal and threatening for another. Elliott took too long to make a decision multiple times:
- Centre bounce, we won the tap, handballed back to Elliott who couldn't decide what to do. Tried to loop over the top and it got taken away by the Port midfielder (SPP I believe).
- That awful decision inside F50, out on his own, couldn't work out weather to kick it to a 1v1 with DeGoey or have a shot himself
- Fumble in front of goal, top of the goal square, ball quickly taken away by Port.

Indecisiveness is a coach killer & if Elliott is being played as a mid then he needs to perform like one.

I'd bring in a bigger body in Sier to throw his weight around. He's somewhat of a September specialist and with a softened WCE midfield coming back from injury, his frame could make them second guess their attack on the ball. Not saying it 100% will, but who knows a few big hits could sway momentum.

As for Stephenson, he keeps his spot. Not sure what dropping him achieves at this point and as has previously been mentioned at least he's kicking goals. Don't play him out of position, I don't want to see him in the backline - in fact with his lack of confidence there's nothing worse for both the club and him for him to be down there. Leave him deep inside F50 and hope he can kick himself back into some form.

If we are serious about Stephenson long term, he needs to be played this week. Let him know we still think he's an important part of this club!
 
Nov 16, 2014
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Call me crazy but almost hope we get humiliated by the Eagles once again so it sends the message to the club Loud and clear that change is ******* needed.

I’ve been of that mindset since the Melbourne loss. Should of just put games into the future players like Bianco, Rantall, etc and ruled a line through Varcoe, Thomas and other senior uncontracted players
 
Apr 2, 2013
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IN: Sier, Mayne

OUT: Varcoe, Greenwood

Need grunt around the ball. Varcoe and Greenwood both cooked imo. Playing Sier means Elliot can move forward.
Be tempted to play Ruscoe as well. Just potentially damaging at the right time and will need the firepower. Look at maybe Stephenson or T brown coming out.
 
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He wins games off his own boot. Literally the only player we have right now who can do that. Can’t do that from the midfield. If we want another big bodied midfielder than bring Sier in

If De Goey plays mid there’s no way we kick more than 6 goals against the Eagles

With our slow entry into F50, and we have DeGoey deep forward, McGovern and Barrass will have a field day. Have DeGoey high F50, so he can at least get his hands on the ball.
 

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magpiemaniac44

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Really a free shot here we have nothing to play for and West Coast are expected to win, all the pressure will be on them. Although we were playing totally differently we did beat West Coast in Perth last year and we were not in great form, only 1 team has beat the eagles there since our game and that was Hawthorn.

I know it is an elimination final but if we could pull it off it might be one of our greatest ever finals wins
 

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Mcgovern, kennedy, yeo, shuey, redden, jetta will all miss for the eagles, and hutchings is very unlikely

Eagles were sh!thouse against north, ordinary against the saints the week before, did what they had to do against the hawks, and needed intervention form the maggots to turn the momentum and get over the line against carlton before that. So they are not exactly flying heading into finals. Pies have been getting better week by week, and could easily have beaten both bris and port in the last 3 weeks - bris especially was lost by us rather than won by them. A bit more composure going inside 50 and that game would have been won pretty comfortably.

This has all the makings of a famous finals win
 

LuckyLee

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If WCoast get most of their injured players back, as seems likely, I can’t see us staying within 10 goals of them.

Personnel changes for us won’t change it - only a radical departure from our current slow, over-possessed ball movement style can deliver us an upset win.

But, as far as personnel goes, I’d bring in Sier if available and Ruscoe (didn’t do much wrong), for two of our many current out-if-form players - Thomas, Hoskin-Elliott, Varcoe, Stephenson - take your pick.


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Mcgovern, kennedy, yeo, shuey, redden, jetta will all miss for the eagles, and hutchings is very unlikely

Eagles were sh!thouse against north, ordinary against the saints the week before, did what they had to do against the hawks, and needed intervention form the maggots to turn the momentum and get over the line against carlton before that. So they are not exactly flying heading into finals. Pies have been getting better week by week, and could easily have beaten both bris and port in the last 3 weeks - bris especially was lost by us rather than won by them. A bit more composure going inside 50 and that game would have been won pretty comfortably.

This has all the makings of a famous finals win

Nah, Shuey, Redden and Jetta will come back into the side. Even Kennedy is a chance.

I disagree. We haven't gotten better. We have improved a bit from the Dees flogging, but it has plateaued. Again, our issue is scoring. We just can't score enough. And that hasn't change all year no matter how "improved" we have become.

Should be a comfortable win by the Eagles.
 
May 25, 2006
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Really a free shot here we have nothing to play for and West Coast are expected to win, all the pressure will be on them. Although we were playing totally differently we did beat West Coast in Perth last year and we were not in great form, only 1 team has beat the eagles there since our game and that was Hawthorn.

I know it is an elimination final but if we could pull it off it might be one of our greatest ever finals wins

Absolute free swing. We had a free swing against Port and now we’ve got another one. Nobody expects us to advance far in the finals but one win would be nice. On the other hand the better draft pick from finishing eighth would also be nice
 

Horaceg

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Really a free shot here we have nothing to play for and West Coast are expected to win, all the pressure will be on them. Although we were playing totally differently we did beat West Coast in Perth last year and we were not in great form, only 1 team has beat the eagles there since our game and that was Hawthorn.

I know it is an elimination final but if we could pull it off it might be one of our greatest ever finals wins
We played ok at the start of our last game, we were cooked and the flood gates opened, expect a more improved effort And don’t be surprised if we get up.
 
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