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[CrowinNT]

I still think McHenry should've been given a run before he hurt his back mid last year. He was in great form in the SANFL up until then.

Wasn’t he only listed as an emergency at away game last year in Qld maybe then injured ?
Hard for my lil old brain to remember but there was a sequence of events including maybe a bye that he lost a month of football ?

 

[1970crow]

And different players come back from the CV19 lay over in different conditions. A lot can happen, it just didn't happen on the field where we could see it.

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If he'd come back in a shape that they weren't happy with, then he'd have not been named as an emergency. That would be 2 players of the 4 that were named that the club had no intention of playing even if a suitable missed late through injury. There's no reason other than we have a culture that gives a player their 2nd game, 9 months after their 1st and then drop them. Sometimes it's just what it actually is on the surface, no underlying issues, no KFC covid, he just got dropped off that 1 game because they preferred to give Keays or Crocker a crack in his place. It's just that simple.

 

[SaltPeter]

Pyke at the time said that Port's draftees were at different stages of their development. Chayce had played 4 but returned into the SANFL and McHenry was going good. Oddly, both these guys were first rounders and arrived with huge wraps on their fitness but needed SANFL development, whereas Port's guys just rolled straight in and stayed. Rozee a gun, so is a little different, I do get that. But we're playing Mackay, Knight and Douglas types. Jones got 8 games in 3 goes, 4, 2 and 2 games. ROB finally got a crack due to Sauce medium term injury, even then was replaced late and Davis got a single game in a typical loss at kardinia park were all the forward line were putrid.

I thought Davis should've got a few more runs after the game at Alphabet Stadium as well. He was covering for a Lynch injury though from memory? Jenkins coming back early and out form was definitely rubbish though.

And the out of form players that kept getting a gig week after week was irritating too.

 

[SaltPeter]

Wasn’t he only listed as an emergency at away game last year in Qld maybe then injured ?
Hard for my lil old brain to remember but there was a sequence of events including maybe a bye that he lost a month of football ?

Same, I can't remember either

Edit: that was probably around the time of the SA vs WA state game and the SANFL bye game + plus going up to QLD as a travelling emergency

 

[1970crow]

I thought Davis should've got a few more runs after the game at Alphabet Stadium as well. He was covering for a Lynch injury though from memory? Jenkins coming back early and out form was definitely rubbish though.

And the out of form players that kept getting a gig week after week was irritating too.

Looked at AFL, we dropped Davis, EH and Gibbs for Mackay, JJ and Milera. Lynch must have been injured earlier and returned later. We were gearing up for our assault from 8th, just needed to get Sauce and Knight back in and Gibbs into form.

 

[cleanhands]

Keays stays in.

I've said it 1000 times, once you pick a new player you don't give him a week and then discard him. You back him for a 3/4 week block and then make a judgement.

There's no point bringing in a guy for a week, same goes for Davis who should never have been dropped.

And 1000 times

 

[Firewalker]

Keays stays in.

I've said it 1000 times, once you pick a new player you don't give him a week and then discard him. You back him for a 3/4 week block and then make a judgement.

There's no point bringing in a guy for a week, same goes for Davis who should never have been dropped.

Was thinking after Saturday’s game that Keys reminded me a little bit of Jarryd Lyons with how he was trying to play except with a dodgy kick and lack of spatial awareness. The problem will be is giving multiple games to a 23 year old that struggles to adjust to the pace of AFL when making decisions at this level going to yield any result even if he is just a placeholder in the rebuild. Also like with Lyons it looks almost impossible to function in the same midfield as Sloane and Crouch X2 with that style of play.

 

[Mutineer]

Was thinking after Saturday’s game that Keys reminded me a little bit of Jarryd Lyons with how he was trying to play except with a dodgy kick and lack of spatial awareness. The problem will be is giving multiple games to a 23 year old that struggles to adjust to the pace of AFL when making decisions at this level going to yield any result even if he is just a placeholder in the rebuild. Also like with Lyons it looks almost impossible to function in the same midfield as Sloane and Crouch X2 with that style of play.

Keays didn't have a great game on the weekend for sure but he's a more reliable kick than Lyons, that's one area of his game that meets the standard.

 

[DroppingTheBall]

Out: Jones, McHenry, McAsey
In: Hartigan, MacKay, Gibbs
Just joking

Great joke....made me laugh

Yes.... that would only happen if we picked players on form, instead of bias, or youth.

Our record with Mackay out of the side is..... terrible.

But it does show one of the problems. McAsey was pushed aside time after time, and there we have Harto, fit and ready. But you really need to stand by the Fish.

When Nicks said the older ones might be dropped, who was he talking about? Apart from Tex, Seed, Lynch, it was a young team. Drop them? Gawd!

 

[rocket18]

Sloane to wing, not to attend centre bounce - he can run all day and is good overhead mark for his size.

Only one Crouch at a centre bounce, other two spots to be made up of Jones, Milera, McHenry, Seedsman, Poholke - give Laird and Fog a couple each quarter to mix it up.

 

[Mutineer]

Sloane to wing, not to attend centre bounce - he can run all day and is good overhead mark for his size.

Only one Crouch at a centre bounce, other two spots to be made up of Jones, Milera, McHenry, Seedsman, Poholke - give Laird and Fog a couple each quarter to mix it up.

Seedsman on form should be the first one out...he was atrocious the other night, hardly got near it and stuffed things up when he did.

 

[cleanhands]

Seedsman on form should be the first one out...he was atrocious the other night, hardly got near it and stuffed things up when he did.

More like when the ball come to him don’t recall him hunting it too often

 

[rocket18]

Seedsman on form should be the first one out...he was atrocious the other night, hardly got near it and stuffed things up when he did.

True, but at least he has a couple of weapons unlike most of his team mates. He is one I would give more chances to hopefully get some form back.

And who knows if Nicks ever gets a game plan sorted out it might help some players as well.

 

[Interloperer]

A lot of talk about experienced players not performing and "not buying in". Not a lot about a coach who seems to have lost the entire squad after one game?

 

[Mego Red]

A lot of talk about experienced players not performing and "not buying in". Not a lot about a coach who seems to have lost the entire squad after one game?

He'S lOsT tHe SqUaD

 

[Vader]

Yes.... that would only happen if we picked players on form, instead of bias, or youth.

Our record with Mackay out of the side is..... terrible.

But it does show one of the problems. McAsey was pushed aside time after time, and there we have Harto, fit and ready. But you really need to stand by the Fish.

When Nicks said the older ones might be dropped, who was he talking about? Apart from Tex, Seed, Lynch, it was a young team. Drop them? Gawd!

Smith, Atkins

 

[cleanhands]

Yes.... that would only happen if we picked players on form, instead of bias, or youth.

Our record with Mackay out of the side is..... terrible.

But it does show one of the problems. McAsey was pushed aside time after time, and there we have Harto, fit and ready. But you really need to stand by the Fish.

When Nicks said the older ones might be dropped, who was he talking about? Apart from Tex, Seed, Lynch, it was a young team. Drop them? Gawd!

Not 100% sure where Tex sits drop him when deservedly so, or keep him in to assist Fog and take a bit of heat off him from the opposition

 

[Interloperer]

He'S lOsT tHe SqUaD

It's more plausible than a squad with 5 All-Australians all simultaneously becoming terrible.

Though I suppose It'd be more technically correct to say he never had the squad, which is what the accusations of not "buying in" imply.

 

[Gary123]

Kane, the worst player to play 300 AFL/VFL games.

Drew Petrie?

 

[Golumless]

It's more plausible than a squad with 5 All-Australians all simultaneously becoming terrible.

Though I suppose It'd be more technically correct to say he never had the squad, which is what the accusations of not "buying in" imply.

Not necessarily.

We cannot expect the damage done in the past couple of years to be reversed overnight, just because we sacked the coach. It's going to be a process of promising signs (Sydney) then the occasional (hopefully, just occasional) relapse back into selfish football until we cut enough of the players who were involved with that debacle in the last couple of years. After all, some of our vets and formerly good players are now damaged beyond repair or need to be traded to get back to the football they were playing.

The Port game told us we haven't cut deep enough to stamp out those issues.

 

[Murray2503]

Not necessarily.

We cannot expect the damage done in the past couple of years to be reversed overnight, just because we sacked the coach. It's going to be a process of promising signs (Sydney) then the occasional (hopefully) relapse back into selfish football until we cut enough of the players who were involved with that debacle in the last couple of years. After all, some of our vets and formerly good players are now damaged beyond repair or need to be traded to get back to the football they were playing.

The Port game told us we haven't cut deep enough to stamp out those issues.

Didn't cut deep enough at all. Chapman and the members of list management remain almost in tact. Also those older players who have no love for the club at all are never going to reach their full potential or ceiling again in a crows guernsey regardless of coach. I lnow from personel experience that employees who hate or resent their employer can be a major destabilising influence in an organisation. Especially on new recruits. Burton and Pyke(and by extension Chapman and our football director) have left a long lasting mess which was not adequately dealt with during the review.

 

[Golumless]

Didn't cut deep enough at all. Chapman and the members of list management remain almost in tact. Also those older players who have no love for the club at all are never going to reach their full potential or ceiling again in a crows guernsey regardless of coach. I lnow from personel experience that employees who hate their employer can be a major destabilising influence in an organisation. Especially on new recruits. Burton and Pyke(and by extension Chapman and our football director) have left a long lasting mess which was not adequately dealt with during the review.

On the playing list, I do think for one offseason, it was an adequate amount. That said, we're probably looking at the same turnover this season (and we're rather well set up with that looking at 5 picks <50). This season is going to be one where we are paying for the sins of Burton, Pyke and co. though.

We absolutely need to get rid of Chapman and a lot of the high ups, they've kneecapped this club for long enough.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Not necessarily.

We cannot expect the damage done in the past couple of years to be reversed overnight, just because we sacked the coach. It's going to be a process of promising signs (Sydney) then the occasional (hopefully, just occasional) relapse back into selfish football until we cut enough of the players who were involved with that debacle in the last couple of years. After all, some of our vets and formerly good players are now damaged beyond repair or need to be traded to get back to the football they were playing.

The Port game told us we haven't cut deep enough to stamp out those issues.

How the heck was losing to a terrible team at home a promising sign?

 

[DroppingTheBall]

Didn't cut deep enough at all....Also those older players who have no love for the club at all are never going to reach their full potential or ceiling again in a crows guernsey regardless of coach.

Didn't they all leave??? Which older players have no love for the club at all?

 

[Vader]

How the heck was losing to a terrible team at home a promising sign?

At least there were times during the Sydney game when we could see the plan which Nicks wanted to implement. There was no system whatsoever at any stage when we lost to Port.

** Clutching at straws