Preview Changes: R4 vs Brisbane

[BunjiMac]

Football isn't combat sports. How hard you go in and a genuine desire is much more important than size. Not only that, but speed and skills are just as vital to the equation of how to become an elite midfielder. Speed also helps with hits as a higher top speed does mean more force in a tackle or ground ball get.

He'll be fine in that regard, he's already strong enough that he's breaking tackles. Whether he makes it to an elite midfielder is just down to his tools blossoming. He has a very good combination of strength and speed, which does make it likely that if he can click with producing in the midfield, he'll blossom into an elite player. After all, there are tools there.

If we were trying to turn a <173 cm kid into a midfielder, I'd agree. 179-180 cm and really, it's probably just overvaluing the size aspect as there are only a handful of 190cm+ midfielders in the league (and it probably won't become the thing just due to speed being absolutely vital). The game is littered with elite midfielders at this range. Not to say size is important, it's certainly another way for a player to become elite, however, at this point, it's probably just splitting hairs.

I agree about the speed and skills and similarly this needs to next level to make up for size.

Although only a handful are above 190, the average would have to be upper 180's. I don't really have the stats to back this up, but midfielders just look massive nowadays.

The problem is also that we want so badly for Chayce to not only be able to play midfield but to be an absolute dominant player given he is one of the highest midfielders we've ever taken.

To be that dominant will rely on alot of things falling into place, which I absolutely hope happens.

We just shouldn't underestimate how hard is actually going to be for him.

 

[Murray2503]

Surely we've hit the end with Tex now. The only worth he has in this side is just being a ruck chop out and that's saying something seeing how bad he is.

It would also be a statement dropping.

I don't look at it as a statement dropping. I look at it as Nicks wanting the to put a more competitive team out on the park which is his job. Every player knows you pick yourself by performing.

 

[Golumless]

I agree about the speed and skills and similarly this needs to next level to make up for size.

Although only a handful are above 190, the average would have to be upper 180's. I don't really have the stats to back this up, but midfielders just look massive nowadays.

The problem is also that we want so badly for Chayce to not only be able to play midfield but to be an absolute dominant player given he is one of the highest midfielders we've ever taken.

To be that dominant will rely on alot of things falling into place, which I absolutely hope happens.

We just shouldn't underestimate how hard is actually going to be for him.

I reckon you'd find its low 180 cm. As said, there are a lot of shorter midfielders. The average height for an AFL player is 188 cm and there are more KP sized players (seeing them + ruck) than smaller (especially as small defenders are usually 174-180 cm).

Oh 100%, and really, him making or not could come down to nothing more than dumb luck as every player is one injury away from being ruined. I do think he's flashed more signs than what most people are giving him credit for as he's shown some pack breaking abilities against Gold Coast (in a couple of plays that didn't amount to much, but really it's a dysfunctional team). I think it's just a case of finding a bit more confidence/belief which will come the more he does it. Even with tools, you do need a lot of things to go right to become elite. For some, it could be ruined by just being drafted by the wrong team.

Speed is what will make or break Chayce claim to being an elite midfielder, I reckon. If he can find a way to accumulate a bit more (ok, a lot more, but he's young), break more packs with speed and hopefully get some good ball use to go with it, he could easily end up in AA contention when his career peaks.

I don't look at it as a statement. I look at it as Nicks wanting the to put a more competitive team out on the park which is his job. Every player knows you pick yourself by performing.

I'd also agree, it would be the case. It's also a statement because really our senior core is Tex's team in a lot of ways. Still in the leadership group, ex-captain etc.

It does go back to that reputation v performance comment that was brought up earlier in the week.

 

[Murray2503]

Nicks definitely isn’t putting that on the younger players, he is absolutely backing them in for the long stretch. Under most of our recent coaches players like McAsey and Jones would’ve already been dropped. Everything he is saying is putting it on the senior players.

Nicks has no choice than to back in the younger players. They are the only way the team is going to improve. If they aren't up to it the only other way to improve is through the draft and trade. The fact Pyke didn't back in draft picks is why he is no longer coach and why we're in the predicament we're in.

 

[Golumless]

Perhaps, I would have been more aggressive myself.

List Mgmt. - 2016 Free Agency/Trades/Draft thread Part 2

And that's why your not a list manager.. That's cute. That's all

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List Mgmt. - 2016 Free Agency/Trades/Draft thread Part 2

Now that would be funny If he is in the deal, we'd want their third rounder. Seriously, was Noble the only person on the planet who in the same situation wouldn't have said " why the **** do we want him and if we did, why should we ****ing pay for him?"

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Saying don't trade Laird in 2016 is a pretty good call with the power of hindsight, so I'll Alex some credit there. 2018-2019 looks a missed opportunity, but I am not too harsh on it.

Would probably see if he's interested in a trade this year. I would like to get Sholl in and Laird looks like he needs a fresh start to get back to being a top footballer.

 

[Kezza86]

For those calling to drop ALL of Laird, Smith, Talia, Both Crouches, Tex, Lynch etc etc - This is just ridiculous. I'm sorry but it is.

A) you'll completely push those players to want to leave the club at the end of the year.
B) they deserve better as great servants of our club.
C) we will lose by 150+ points to the Lions if we only play kids
D) feed the AFL media with exactly what they want, the image the club is continuing to fall apart.

Let's just remember... We are rebuilding! - There will be several veteran players that are kept around to both add experience on the field and also to help mentor the younger players and frankly get them through the next couple of years where in all likelihood we will get rinsed week in week out.

I'm all for bringing kids in, but you can also burn kids by bringing them in too early and not having adequate support around them.

Be patient guys. Or don't and be quiet.

Heads should roll this week yes, and me personally I would drop: Atkins(inj), Bcrouch, Lynch and Murphy,

Bring in : Sholl, Poholke, McAdam + Himmelberg.

This would send a message to the full list that no one is undroppable as Bcrouch and Lynch especially have been best 22 forever, whilst not scorning more players throughout our list. Now is the time to be strong and rebuild, not further feed the media.

22 against the lions (shuffle positions as you see fit)

FB: Brown, Talia, McAsey
HB: Smith, Doedee, Seedsman
C: Hamill , Sloane, McHenry
HF: McAdam, Fogarty, Keays
FF: Himmelberg, Tex, Crocker

FOLL: ROB , MCrouch, Jones

INT: Poholke, Sholl, Laird, Kelly

I would drop Matt before Brad. Brad has more flexibility where Matt doesn’t.

 

[Deaneus!]

I'm enjoying reading this changes thread, because it feels like we're all on the same page - we (BF) can finaly admit we've hit rock botom and we have no choice but to play the kids.

Which leaves the club in a worse position - do they try and spin their way out if it again? I don't think there's anywhere left to go for them. I *like* that there's some people whose legacies will be tarnished with this. Having never taken the tough option before, they are being dragged kicking and screaming to judgement. And we all know what to tell them...

"make the 8 and anything can happen"

 

[Schulzycrow]

People have been saying play the kids for years, but we've let middling AFL players chalk up 100 to 200 games, gold passes to underperforming senior players and we've lost players due to this fact who have gone onto successful careers at other clubs.
This finally might be the time that this strategy and mindset is done away with.
Once again our timing is awesome in a shortened season with no TAC cup or U18 comps to get a really good gauge of talent on offer.
Spotlight also needs to be on what has been for so long a source of pride...our recruiting led by Hamish. For the cupboard to be so bare is an indictment on the types of players we have selected and the way we have run new prospects through the seniors.

I don't care who they drop or bring in. I don't think we can win, but I want to see some heart and effort.

 

[Mutineer]

No way, the camera doesn't lie, photos can.

If you're trying to tell me Chayce is the same size as Rowell you're smoking crack.

Someone's smoking crack and it's not me....Matt Rowell is 75kg and Chayce Jones is 77Kg and considering the 2cm different in size I'd say that puts them about on equal terms. And I daresay if by some odd chance Chayce ever gets half the on ball minutes Rowell has had then maybe he'll blossom too. I'm not suggesting Chayce is showing as much talent as Rowell but he's never been given the opportunities to strut his wares that Rowell has at the GCS in just his 4 games either which I find unforgiveable.

 

[Deaneus!]

Spotlight also needs to be on what has been for so long a source of pride...our recruiting led by Hamish. For the cupboard to be so bare is an indictment on the types of players we have selected and the way we have run new prospects through the seniors.

This is a great question. Is Hamish actually *bad* at talent ID, or do we not give him high enough draft picks to bring in the elite talent?



too early but McAsey is getting games and we're al salivating for the rest



we're getting games into the first three, and I was very happy with Hamill on the weekend; i think Jones and Ned will be fine



Fog! Yes please, the rest, meh



We should have played way more of these guys, they could have played 2017, 2018, 2019, and this year, the equivalent of 69 games + finals.



Milera needs to start coming on, which is hard to do when you have surgery. Doedee is fine, a great pick, but injury robbed him a season.



Can they play? Yes
Can they stay? No
Traded away our first three picks.



Good result for a draft with no picks.



Didn't have much to work with and still got a 100-gamer with pick 81.



Nightmares, the one gives me nightmares.

My verdict? Hamish does a good job. He picks the best players available. I think the real problem here is we don't give him high-level picks to work with, because we won't bottom out.

 

[scoota10]

Someone's smoking crack and it's not me....Matt Rowell is 75kg and Chayce Jones is 77Kg and considering the 2cm different in size I'd say that puts them about on equal terms. And I daresay if by some odd chance Chayce ever gets half the on ball minutes Rowell has had then maybe he'll blossom too. I'm not suggesting Chayce is showing as much talent as Rowell but he's never been given the opportunities to strut his wares that Rowell has at the GCS in just his 4 games either which I find unforgiveable.

Ths year is the 1st tme have seen Rowel, He is smarter than Adelaides whole Mid Field he knows where to go
(either get the ball,or get to space) .He runs both ways,our midfield Don't. When Adelade find a player or players who can
do what he does well thats the start Midfielders have to Kick Goals on a regular basis plus set goals up We don't
have any at the moment

 

[scoota10]

This is a great question. Is Hamish actually *bad* at talent ID, or do we not give him high enough draft picks to bring in the elite talent?

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too early but McAsey is getting games and we're al salivating for the rest

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we're getting games into the first three, and I was very happy with Hamill on the weekend; i think Jones and Ned will be fine

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Fog! Yes please, the rest, meh

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We should have played way more of these guys, they could have played 2017, 2018, 2019, and this year, the equivalent of 69 games + finals.

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Milera needs to start coming on, which is hard to do when you have surgery. Doedee is fine, a great pick, but injury robbed him a season.

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Can they play? Yes
Can they stay? No
Traded away our first three picks.

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Good result for a draft with no picks.

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Didn't have much to work with and still got a 100-gamer with pick 81.

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Nightmares, the one gives me nightmares.

My verdict? Hamish does a good job. He picks the best players available. I think the real problem here is we don't give him high-level picks to work with, because we won't bottom out.

Personally i think he is only Average at Recruiting

 

[Deaneus!]

Personally i think he is only Average at Recruiting

I put him at slightly above average - i think he has slightly less misses than average, but his hits are easy hits. We need exposure to his record with high-pick talent.

I don't disagree with you though.

 

[BunjiMac]

Someone's smoking crack and it's not me....Matt Rowell is 75kg and Chayce Jones is 77Kg and considering the 2cm different in size I'd say that puts them about on equal terms. And I daresay if by some odd chance Chayce ever gets half the on ball minutes Rowell has had then maybe he'll blossom too. I'm not suggesting Chayce is showing as much talent as Rowell but he's never been given the opportunities to strut his wares that Rowell has at the GCS in just his 4 games either which I find unforgiveable.

Hmm that does suprise me Rowell looks so much bigger on camera.

Perhaps that was taken as Rowell came into the club, because I'm 75kg and shorter than Rowell and he looks ALOT bigger than me.

This is the closest picture I could find of the both of them from the weekend

 

[Golumless]

I put him at slightly above average - i think he has slightly less misses than average, but his hits are easy hits. We need exposure to his record with high-pick talent.

I don't disagree with you though.

Nah, he's in the good to very good category.

It comes down to his flex moment. He plucked Doedee out of complete obscurity and nailed it. Rest has been solid, but really no recruiter is doing well at a club where they refuse to play youth, regardless of how talented, or how much of a necessity it is to blood new players*. There is probably only one blemish year there, which is 2016, but even then there is time to rectify it seeing all of the main draftees are on the list currently. Probably also unfortunate his best year, so far, in 2014 we weren't able to retain anyone, but not even 1 iota of that is on the recruiter. That's on our abysmal cap management, and others prioritising the wrong people.

If Hamish was at any club that wasn't Adelaide in the last two years, he'd be in the same conversation as the Dogs, Sydney and Cats recruiter. Unfortunately, it's hard to look good when everything falls apart around you.

Also pretty sure Rendell was our 2011 recruiter.

* The argument that they weren't good enough is complete BS. Even if they weren't at the time, they are worth investing in because they'll pay off more in the long run then the David Mackays of this world.

 

[Danger Zone]

My changes:
Out - Tex, Atkins, Lynch, Laird, Crocker
In - HBerg, Poholke, McAdam, Sholl, Gallucci

Tell Brouch that he is playing on the wing and forward and Poholke is on the ball. Mrouch told to get in and under and just win clearances by going hard at the ball as the first man in, not to concentrate on being outside. Just do what he does well. Tex probably most unlucky to miss out, but we need a competent 2ruck.

 

[Scorpus]

This is a great question. Is Hamish actually *bad* at talent ID, or do we not give him high enough draft picks to bring in the elite talent?

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too early but McAsey is getting games and we're al salivating for the rest

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we're getting games into the first three, and I was very happy with Hamill on the weekend; i think Jones and Ned will be fine

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Fog! Yes please, the rest, meh

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We should have played way more of these guys, they could have played 2017, 2018, 2019, and this year, the equivalent of 69 games + finals.

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Milera needs to start coming on, which is hard to do when you have surgery. Doedee is fine, a great pick, but injury robbed him a season.

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Can they play? Yes
Can they stay? No
Traded away our first three picks.

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Good result for a draft with no picks.

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Didn't have much to work with and still got a 100-gamer with pick 81.

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Nightmares, the one gives me nightmares.

My verdict? Hamish does a good job. He picks the best players available. I think the real problem here is we don't give him high-level picks to work with, because we won't bottom out.

I thought it might be interesting to actually rank the clubs since 2011, excluding last two years. I haven't bothered including later pick players that didn't play much AFL. Here's my attempt.

Brisbane
Hits: Docherty (12), Yeo (30), Crisp (Rookie 40), Gardiner (22), McStay (25), Hipwood (14), McCluggage (3), Berry (17), Witherden (23)
Maybe: Taylor (28), Cutler (33), Cox (24), Rayner (1), Bailey (15), Starcevich (18), McInerney (Rookie 37)
Misses: Mayes (8), Paparone (23), Aish (7), Schache (2), Keays (24)

Thoughts: Almost no success outside top 20-ish picks. Couple of big single digit pick fails

Carlton
Hits: Cripps (13), Weitering (1), McKay (10), Curnow (12), Fisher (26)
Maybe: Cunningham (23), Petrevski-Seton (6), Williamson (61), Dow (3), O'Brien (10)
Misses: Bootsma (22), Menzel (11), Beokhorst (19), Viojo-Rainbow (28)

Thoughts: Had a great year in 2015, but awful outside of that

Collingwood
Hits: Witts (67), Williams (Rookie 35), Grundy (18), Langdon (Rookie 65), De Goey (5), Moore (9 F/S), Maynard (30), Phillips (58), Stephenson (5), Mihocek (Rookie 22)
Maybe: Cox (Intl), Sier (32), Daicos (57 F/S)
Misses: Kennedy (19), Broomhead (20), Scharenberg (6), Freeman (10)

Thoughts: Elite. Regularly get hits later in the draft, and rarely miss with early picks

Essendon
Hits: Baguley (Rookie 47), Daniher (10 F/S), Gleeson (53), Merrett (26), Fantasia (55), Ambrose (Rookie 26), McKenna (Intl), McDonald-Tipungwuti (Rookie 22), McGrath (1)
Maybe: Langford (17), Laverde (20), Parish (5), Francis (6), Ridley (22)
Misses: Kavanagh (19), Morgan (29)

Thoughts: Gets occasional success later in the draft, but has only an average rate in the first round

Fremantle
Hits: Neale (58), Sutcliffe (71), Spurr (Rookie 8), Taberner (Rookie 11), Pearce (37), Weller (13), Langdon (54), Hughes (Rookie 13), Ryan (66)
Maybe: Crozier (20), Blakely (37), Tucker (27), Logue (8), Darcy (28), Brayshaw (2), Cerra (5)
Misses: Sheridan (16), Simpson (17), Apeness (17)

Thoughts: Better success rate in the later rounds, tends to find good role players there. Early picks hit or miss

Geelong
Hits: Hamling (32), Murdoch (48), Bews (86 F/S), Blicavs (Rookie 54), Menegola (66), Parfitt (26), Stewart (40), Kelly (24), Miers (57)
Maybe: Kolodjashnij (41), Ratugolea (43), Henry (Rookie 16), Fogarty (22)
Misses: Thurlow (16), Lang (16), Cockatoo (10)

Thoughts: Overrated. No success in first round, occasional late pick success from plenty of tries

Gold Coast
Hits: Hall (PS 7), Miller (29), Saad (Rookie 25), Fiorini (20), MacPherson (Rookie 21), Joyce (Rookie 67), Bowes (10), Ballard (42)
Maybe: Wright(8), Ah Chee (8), Ainsworth (4), Brodie (9), Powell (19)
Misses: Schade (24), Lonergan (13), Kolodjashnij (5), Leslie (20), Lemmens (27), Garlett (15), Scrimshaw (7)

Thoughts: Horrible record early, but improving with each year

GWS (2012 on)
Hits: Whitfield (1), Kelly (2), Lobb (29), Hopper (7 Zone), Himmelberg (16 Zone), Taranto (2), Perryman (14 Zone), Daniels (27), Taylor (28)
Maybe: Corr (14), McCarthy (14), Marchbank (6), Setterfield (5 Zone), Cumming (20 Zone), Bonar (11)
Misses: O'Rourke (2), Plowman (3), Jaksch (12), Stewart (27), Boyd (1), Pickett (4), Ahern (7), McKenna (23), Kennedy (13 Zone)

Thoughts: Awful under SOS but improved significantly since he left. Get plenty of high picks and burned plenty

Hawthorn
Hits: Hill (33), Ceglar (Rookie 15), Sicily (56), Burton (19), Hardwick (44), Worpel (45)
Maybe: O'Brien (28), Hartung (24), Howe (31)
Misses:

Thoughts: Didn't bother much with the draft but got the occasional good late pick

Melbourne
Hits: Viney (26 F/S), Salem (9), Hunt (57), Harmes (Rookie 2), Petracca (2), Brayshaw (3), Neal-Bullen (40), Oliver (4), Fritsch (31)
Maybe: Kent (48), O. McDonald (53), Weideman (9), Wagner (Rookie 6), Hannan (46), Spargo (29)
Misses: Toumpas (4)

Thoughts: Underrated. Had plenty of high picks, but nailed most, while also grabbing useful players late

North Melbourne
Hits: Gibson (Rookie 63), Dumont (30), Brown (47), Turner (Rookie 25), Simpkin (12), Zurhaar (Rookie 11)
Maybe: Wood (41), McDonald (8 F/S), Larkey (73)
Misses: McKenzie (18), Garner (15), Durdin (16), Nielson (25), McKay (21)

Thoughts: Average. Wasted some picks, had a few good selections.

Port Adelaide
Hits: Wingard (6), Wines (7), Clurey (29), Byrne-Jones (52), Amon (68), Gray (Rookie 29), Howard (56), Houston (Rookie 45)
Maybe: Impey (21), Bonner (37), Marshall (16), Powell-Pepper (18)
Misses:

Thoughts: Excellent. Hasn't had a ton of high picks but generally used them well, and picked up quality/decent role players later

Richmond
Hits: Ellis (15), Vlastuin (9), McIntosh (31), Lloyd (66), Miles (Rookie 27), Butler (67), Short (Rookie 11), Castagna (Rookie 19), Lambert (Rookie 46), Soldo (Rookie 68), Broad (67), Higgins (17)
Maybe: Rioli (15), Bolton (29), Graham (53), Coleman-Jones (20), Balta (25)
Misses: Elton (26), Lennon (12), C. Ellis (12)

Thoughts: Best late drafting team in the competition. Regularly gets value out of late picks every year

St Kilda
Hits: Ross (25), Newnes (37), Webster (42), Billings (3), M. Weller (Rookie 20), Lonie (41), Sinclair (Rookie 1), Gresham (18), Marshall (10)
Maybe: Dunstan (18), Acres (19), Long (25), Battle (39), Clark (7), Coffield (8)
Misses: Wright (24), White (25), McCartin (1), Goddard (21), McKenzie (22)

Thoughts: Average. Had a lot of picks, some success early, plenty of misses in early 20s

Sydney
Hits: Mitchell (21 F/S), Cunningham (Rookie Zone), Lloyd (Rookie 16), Rampe (Rookie 37), Jones (15), Hewett (32), Nankervis (35), Aliir (44), Heeney (Zone), Newman (Rookie 35), Mills (3 Zone), Papley (Rookie 14), Florent (11), Hayward (21)
Maybe: Ronke (17), McCartin (33)
Misses: Towers (22), Ling (14)

Thoughts: Rarely wastes a pick, and gets value at all areas of the draft. Elite.

West Coast
Hits: Hutchings (60), Sinclair (Rookie 12), Sheed (11), Barrass (43), Rioli (52), Allen (21), Ryan (26)
Maybe: Duggan (11), Nelson (51), Venables (13), Petruccelle (38), Brander (13)
Misses: Newman (23), McInnes (28), Partington (28)

Thoughts: Haven't taken a ton of picks but generally done well

Western Bulldogs
Hits: Dickson (57), Jong (Rookie 9), Stringer (5), Macrae (6), Hunter (49 F/S), Bontempelli (4), McLean (26), Daniel (46), Cordy (62 F/S), Dunkley (25), Adams (35), Naughton (9), Richards (16)
Maybe: Smith (17), English (19), Lipinski (28), Williams (48)
Misses: Hrovat (21), Webb (27), Collins (26)

Thoughts: Neat success at the pointy end, but only occasional great late pick

Rankings
- Elite
1. Sydney
2. Richmond
3. Collingwood
4. Port Adelaide

- Great
5. Melbourne
6. Adelaide
7. Western Bulldogs
8. West Coast

- Good
9. GWS
10. Essendon
11. Hawthorn

- Average
12. Brisbane
13. Geelong
14. Fremantle
15. North Melbourne
16. St Kilda

- Poor
17. Carlton
18. Gold Coast

 

[ShadeyP]

I thought it might be interesting to actually rank the clubs since 2011, excluding last two years. I haven't bothered including later pick players that didn't play much AFL. Here's my attempt.

Brisbane
Hits: Docherty (12), Yeo (30), Crisp (Rookie 40), Gardiner (22), McStay (25), Hipwood (14), McCluggage (3), Berry (17), Witherden (23)
Maybe: Taylor (28), Cutler (33), Cox (24), Rayner (1), Bailey (15), Starcevich (18), McInerney (Rookie 37)
Misses: Mayes (8), Paparone (23), Aish (7), Schache (2), Keays (24)

Thoughts: Almost no success outside top 20-ish picks. Couple of big single digit pick fails

Carlton
Hits: Cripps (13), Weitering (1), McKay (10), Curnow (12), Fisher (26)
Maybe: Cunningham (23), Petrevski-Seton (6), Williamson (61), Dow (3), O'Brien (10)
Misses: Bootsma (22), Menzel (11), Beokhorst (19), Viojo-Rainbow (28)

Thoughts: Had a great year in 2015, but awful outside of that

Collingwood
Hits: Witts (67), Williams (Rookie 35), Grundy (18), Langdon (Rookie 65), De Goey (5), Moore (9 F/S), Maynard (30), Phillips (58), Stephenson (5), Mihocek (Rookie 22)
Maybe: Cox (Intl), Sier (32), Daicos (57 F/S)
Misses: Kennedy (19), Broomhead (20), Scharenberg (6), Freeman (10)

Thoughts: Elite. Regularly get hits later in the draft, and rarely miss with early picks

Essendon
Hits: Baguley (Rookie 47), Daniher (10 F/S), Gleeson (53), Merrett (26), Fantasia (55), Ambrose (Rookie 26), McKenna (Intl), McDonald-Tipungwuti (Rookie 22), McGrath (1)
Maybe: Langford (17), Laverde (20), Parish (5), Francis (6), Ridley (22)
Misses: Kavanagh (19), Morgan (29)

Thoughts: Gets occasional success later in the draft, but has only an average rate in the first round

Fremantle
Hits: Neale (58), Sutcliffe (71), Spurr (Rookie 8), Taberner (Rookie 11), Pearce (37), Weller (13), Langdon (54), Hughes (Rookie 13), Ryan (66)
Maybe: Crozier (20), Blakely (37), Tucker (27), Logue (8), Darcy (28), Brayshaw (2), Cerra (5)
Misses: Sheridan (16), Simpson (17), Apeness (17)

Thoughts: Better success rate in the later rounds, tends to find good role players there. Early picks hit or miss

Geelong
Hits: Hamling (32), Murdoch (48), Bews (86 F/S), Blicavs (Rookie 54), Menegola (66), Parfitt (26), Stewart (40), Kelly (24), Miers (57)
Maybe: Kolodjashnij (41), Ratugolea (43), Henry (Rookie 16), Fogarty (22)
Misses: Thurlow (16), Lang (16), Cockatoo (10)

Thoughts: Overrated. No success in first round, occasional late pick success from plenty of tries

Gold Coast
Hits: Hall (PS 7), Miller (29), Saad (Rookie 25), Fiorini (20), MacPherson (Rookie 21), Joyce (Rookie 67), Bowes (10), Ballard (42)
Maybe: Wright(8), Ah Chee (8), Ainsworth (4), Brodie (9), Powell (19)
Misses: Schade (24), Lonergan (13), Kolodjashnij (5), Leslie (20), Lemmens (27), Garlett (15), Scrimshaw (7)

Thoughts: Horrible record early, but improving with each year

GWS (2012 on)
Hits: Whitfield (1), Kelly (2), Lobb (29), Hopper (7 Zone), Himmelberg (16 Zone), Taranto (2), Perryman (14 Zone), Daniels (27), Taylor (28)
Maybe: Corr (14), McCarthy (14), Marchbank (6), Setterfield (5 Zone), Cumming (20 Zone), Bonar (11)
Misses: O'Rourke (2), Plowman (3), Jaksch (12), Stewart (27), Boyd (1), Pickett (4), Ahern (7), McKenna (23), Kennedy (13 Zone)

Thoughts: Awful under SOS but improved significantly since he left. Get plenty of high picks and burned plenty

Hawthorn
Hits: Hill (33), Ceglar (Rookie 15), Sicily (56), Burton (19), Hardwick (44), Worpel (45)
Maybe: O'Brien (28), Hartung (24), Howe (31)
Misses:

Thoughts: Didn't bother much with the draft but got the occasional good late pick

Melbourne
Hits: Viney (26 F/S), Salem (9), Hunt (57), Harmes (Rookie 2), Petracca (2), Brayshaw (3), Neal-Bullen (40), Oliver (4), Fritsch (31)
Maybe: Kent (48), O. McDonald (53), Weideman (9), Wagner (Rookie 6), Hannan (46), Spargo (29)
Misses: Toumpas (4)

Thoughts: Underrated. Had plenty of high picks, but nailed most, while also grabbing useful players late

North Melbourne
Hits: Gibson (Rookie 63), Dumont (30), Brown (47), Turner (Rookie 25), Simpkin (12), Zurhaar (Rookie 11)
Maybe: Wood (41), McDonald (8 F/S), Larkey (73)
Misses: McKenzie (18), Garner (15), Durdin (16), Nielson (25), McKay (21)

Thoughts: Average. Wasted some picks, had a few good selections.

Port Adelaide
Hits: Wingard (6), Wines (7), Clurey (29), Byrne-Jones (52), Amon (68), Gray (Rookie 29), Howard (56), Houston (Rookie 45)
Maybe: Impey (21), Bonner (37), Marshall (16), Powell-Pepper (18)
Misses:

Thoughts: Excellent. Hasn't had a ton of high picks but generally used them well, and picked up quality/decent role players later

Richmond
Hits: Ellis (15), Vlastuin (9), McIntosh (31), Lloyd (66), Miles (Rookie 27), Butler (67), Short (Rookie 11), Castagna (Rookie 19), Lambert (Rookie 46), Soldo (Rookie 68), Broad (67), Higgins (17)
Maybe: Rioli (15), Bolton (29), Graham (53), Coleman-Jones (20), Balta (25)
Misses: Elton (26), Lennon (12), C. Ellis (12)

Thoughts: Best late drafting team in the competition. Regularly gets value out of late picks every year

St Kilda
Hits: Ross (25), Newnes (37), Webster (42), Billings (3), M. Weller (Rookie 20), Lonie (41), Sinclair (Rookie 1), Gresham (18), Marshall (10)
Maybe: Dunstan (18), Acres (19), Long (25), Battle (39), Clark (7), Coffield (8)
Misses: Wright (24), White (25), McCartin (1), Goddard (21), McKenzie (22)

Thoughts: Average. Had a lot of picks, some success early, plenty of misses in early 20s

Sydney
Hits: Mitchell (21 F/S), Cunningham (Rookie Zone), Lloyd (Rookie 16), Rampe (Rookie 37), Jones (15), Hewett (32), Nankervis (35), Aliir (44), Heeney (Zone), Newman (Rookie 35), Mills (3 Zone), Papley (Rookie 14), Florent (11), Hayward (21)
Maybe: Ronke (17), McCartin (33)
Misses: Towers (22), Ling (14)

Thoughts: Rarely wastes a pick, and gets value at all areas of the draft. Elite.

West Coast
Hits: Hutchings (60), Sinclair (Rookie 12), Sheed (11), Barrass (43), Rioli (52), Allen (21), Ryan (26)
Maybe: Duggan (11), Nelson (51), Venables (13), Petruccelle (38), Brander (13)
Misses: Newman (23), McInnes (28), Partington (28)

Thoughts: Haven't taken a ton of picks but generally done well

Western Bulldogs
Hits: Dickson (57), Jong (Rookie 9), Stringer (5), Macrae (6), Hunter (49 F/S), Bontempelli (4), McLean (26), Daniel (46), Cordy (62 F/S), Dunkley (25), Adams (35), Naughton (9), Richards (16)
Maybe: Smith (17), English (19), Lipinski (28), Williams (48)
Misses: Hrovat (21), Webb (27), Collins (26)

Thoughts: Neat success at the pointy end, but only occasional great late pick

Rankings
- Elite
1. Sydney
2. Richmond
3. Collingwood
4. Port Adelaide

- Great
5. Melbourne
6. Western Bulldogs
7. Adelaide
8. West Coast

- Good
9. GWS
10. Essendon
11. Hawthorn

- Average
12. Geelong
13. Brisbane
14. Fremantle
15. North Melbourne
16. St Kilda

- Poor
17. Carlton
18. Gold Coast

Did you leave out our players as they have all left the club ?

 

[Scorpus]

Did you leave out our players as they have all left the club ?

Well deaneus already listed them. I think we draft pretty well at all areas, had success early, middle and rookie, but we're not in the elite category for picking up gems

 

[SellarStardom]

Just watched some video of Murphy playing as a defender and I think he would be pretty handy back there.

Murphy has leg speed and is a decent user of the ball. Compare that to Lairds loopy kicks and lack of leg speed, and it makes an argument. Currently we have Hamill (pace) with Brown, Laird, Talia & Kelly plodding along and Dude mid pace. We need some hassle and pace in there.

With Rayner, McCarthy and Cameron up there, Brown (McCarthy), Rayner (Hamill) and Cameron (Murphy) would be a better match up in my mind.

Laird can have a rest

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

FB: Brown, Talia, Doedee
HB: Hamill, McAsey, Milera
C: Smith, Sloane, Shoenberg
HF: McAdam, Himmelberg, Davis
FF: Stengle, Fogarty, McHenry

R: Obrien, Jones, Brouch
INT: Laird, Lynch, Mrouch, Tex

EMERGENCY - Seed, Atkins, Crocker, Keays

With Stengle and Milera out, any of the emergencies come in. Start playing the kids in their future positions and give them longer game time.

 

[hey shorty]

We'll probably drop Murphy or Crocker for Himmelberg.

I just can't see a 3 game coach having the stones to drop Tex.

 

[thebirdman 24]

Just watched some video of Murphy playing as a defender and I think he would be pretty handy back there.

Murphy has leg speed and is a decent user of the ball. Compare that to Lairds loopy kicks and lack of leg speed, and it makes an argument. Currently we have Hamill (pace) with Brown, Laird, Talia & Kelly plodding along and Dude mid pace. We need some hassle and pace in there.

With Rayner, McCarthy and Cameron up there, Brown (McCarthy), Rayner (Hamill) and Cameron (Murphy) would be a better match up in my mind.

Laird can have a rest

Murphy has a loopy kick too. Seen him kick inside 50? I'd rate his kicking as poor and he would get done for size down back.

 

[1970crow]

Gibbs only comes in if we clean out most of our other experienced players & we decide we need a minimum number of experienced players. E.g. we get fed up with the Crouches, Smith & Seedsman... & want someone to support Sloane.

There's no value in selecting a player based purely on games played. McLeod would give us better experience and similar output and we wouldn't play him. Gibbs provides no support, he's not a leader, he's a cruiser and is nothing but an embarrassment. Gibbs makes everyone around him worse and sets a terrible example for what level of intensity is accepted at our club.

 

[1970crow]

No club is trading Laird after winning the best and fairest and AA anyway, it was a stupid hypothetical. Lynch was the one in hindsight.

Not hindsight for all.