Preview Changes: R4 vs Brisbane

[cleanhands]

Murphy wont be dropped when Stengle comes back.
Doesnt deserve to be either.
The hate mob are going to be very disappointed.

 

[hey shorty]

Murphy wont be dropped when Stengle comes back.
Doesnt deserve to be either.
The hate mob are going to be very disappointed.

I don't think many "hate" him, but you still need a forward to pose a forward threat

 

[Murray2503]

I wouldn't call either Matt, or Seeds forced changes. About as entrenched as it comes in this club, moreso than Murphy or Keays.

There is no harm in giving Keays more game to save his career. Make the call in 3 more games, especially as he could find a niche as a run with player. I'm comfortable with giving Murphy a role no one is going to succeed in this year (i.e. don't waste a good player there), and Lynch is pretty low on the drop list. I'll be very excited for the day we abandon the bullshit that is the linkman role, but it's a while off.

Walker not being dropped is the only thing that stops this from getting a 10/10 from me this week with changes.

Sorry meant 2 (un)forced changes from last 2 weeks. Should have been more.

 

[hey shorty]

Sorry meant 2 (un)forced changes from last 2 weeks. Should have been more.

Could've easily been sure, but we've played more players in the first 4 weeks of the season than we have for almost 4 years.

Slowly introduce new players to the group, slowly phase out older guys. We look like we've ruled lines through a few of those guys already

 

[1970crow]

4 pressureless forwards isn't good but gut feel one of Lynch, Tex or Fog won't be playing next week.

 

[hey shorty]

4 pressureless forwards isn't good but gut feel one of Lynch, Tex or Fog won't be playing next week.

I'd say the way we've been selecting for the most part it'll be one of the first two.

But I do agree

 

[mcattack]

Murphy wont be dropped when Stengle comes back.
Doesnt deserve to be either.
The hate mob are going to be very disappointed.

Thing i like about Murph is he offers something different. Goes about it in his own way. You need that in a team.

 

[GreyCrow]

Murphy wont be dropped when Stengle comes back.
Doesnt deserve to be either.
The hate mob are going to be very disappointed.

Based on?

They are not good figures at all - especially the last 2 games. I would like to see more from him but I dont know whether thats on him , Walker etc or Hart/Reilly

Description Date Opponent Result K HB D M G B T HO GA I50 CL CG R50 FF FA AF SC Round 3​ Jun 21​ Suns​ Loss 29-82​ 2​ 2​ 4​ 1​ 0​ 0​ 2​ 0​ 0​ 1​ 0​ 2​ 0​ 0​ 1​ 18​ 22​ Round 2​ Jun 13​ Power​ Loss 35-110​ 4​ 5​ 9​ 1​ 0​ 0​ 1​ 0​ 1​ 1​ 1​ 1​ 1​ 1​ 1​ 27​ 52​ Round 1​ Mar 21​ Swans​ Loss 71-74​ 6​ 4​ 10​ 2​ 1​ 1​ 6​ 0​ 2​ 2​ 0​ 3​ 0​ 1​ 0​ 64​ 85​

 

[Geoffa32]

I disagree It was the right call at the time.

We finally start seeing us play some of our young guys and you want to bring back Lyons and CEY?

No thanks

Agree.

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[Doc_]

Based on?

They are not good figures at all - especially the last 2 games. I would like to see more from him but I dont know whether thats on him , Walker etc or Hart/Reilly

Description Date Opponent Result K HB D M G B T HO GA I50 CL CG R50 FF FA AF SC Round 3​ Jun 21​ Suns​ Loss 29-82​ 2​ 2​ 4​ 1​ 0​ 0​ 2​ 0​ 0​ 1​ 0​ 2​ 0​ 0​ 1​ 18​ 22​ Round 2​ Jun 13​ Power​ Loss 35-110​ 4​ 5​ 9​ 1​ 0​ 0​ 1​ 0​ 1​ 1​ 1​ 1​ 1​ 1​ 1​ 27​ 52​ Round 1​ Mar 21​ Swans​ Loss 71-74​ 6​ 4​ 10​ 2​ 1​ 1​ 6​ 0​ 2​ 2​ 0​ 3​ 0​ 1​ 0​ 64​ 85​

No one has played well in the last 2 games. Pretty hard in the forward line when you dont see much of the ball.

 

[Geoffa32]

I disagree, Lyons is just about the same player he was when he left here. He's just found a niche that he couldn't here because of Crouches and Sloane being very similar. I was also comfortable with us taking a cut price for him, just because I didn't really see a long future at Adelaide, I'm still comfortable with that.

It hasn't aged well though, as I could never have imagined Lyons outproducing (ok, not by much, and probably due to being in a good side) Brad Crouch. Shows how much we've fallen.

Still, I think we've lessened the chance of Jarryd getting 10+ clearances. Matt was really in his own league of terrible when it comes to our three main midfielders.



We are currently rebuilding our club from the ground up. There is worse things to reward than selflessness, effort and bravery.

Murphy won't survive long term, but we're probably waiting on the draft to truly replace him. The cupboard is rather threadbare at the moment.

Yep he is in a midfield that suits his talents.

As I have said another thread. We have his player type. Too many of them.

A few suggested Lyons should play instead of Douglas.

At Brisbane the Dougie equivalent type is Zorko.



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[1970crow]

The other key thing for me is that we've dropped 2 senior players..... And we didn't bring back any. Granted we don't have many to bring back, but it would've been easy to bring Gibbs or DMac, even Harto back in.

Cannot complain on that level. Dropping Seed was a start, Matt joining him a big tick.

My concern isn't about selection as such, but I really don't like the 3 key forwards and Lynch. 4 forwards with little speed, ground ball presence and tackling pressure is not how the game has evolved. Especially with our general issues with impeding opposition transition between the arcs. I've been calling it the 'patented red carpet system for defending between the arcs' for numerous years. We're solving 1 problem by exaggerating an existing and more damaging problem.

And the point that there's only ever 3 on the ground is a red herring. Other clubs only have 2 on the ground giving them more ground pressure and running power. This is an area that we absolutely couldn't afford to remove resources from. But that's in-game tactics and I'm sure they'll work that out.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Keayes is my bet.

Play the man against the team that threw him out and give him an important role.

Might be just the kick he needs to reboot his career.

I hate that we never seem to do that but other teams do it to us all the time and our ex players seem to turn up with extra relish to punish us.

Like why not play Frampton against Port??

That's what I would do anyway.

Keays appears to a fit guy who keeps running to the wrong spots... so playing him in a run with role on a ball magnet like Neale could be a great move.

We need to try new things.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Murphy wont be dropped when Stengle comes back.
Doesnt deserve to be either.
The hate mob are going to be very disappointed.

So you are happy with his performances?

Was arguably worst on ground last week.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

4 pressureless forwards isn't good but gut feel one of Lynch, Tex or Fog won't be playing next week.

Tex or Lynch.

Fog stays as is the future.

 

[1970crow]

I disagree, Lyons is just about the same player he was when he left here. He's just found a niche that he couldn't here because of Crouches and Sloane being very similar. I was also comfortable with us taking a cut price for him, just because I didn't really see a long future at Adelaide, I'm still comfortable with that.

It hasn't aged well though, as I could never have imagined Lyons outproducing (ok, not by much, and probably due to being in a good side) Brad Crouch. Shows how much we've fallen.

Still, I think we've lessened the chance of Jarryd getting 10+ clearances. Matt was really in his own league of terrible when it comes to our three main midfielders.



We are currently rebuilding our club from the ground up. There is worse things to reward than selflessness, effort and bravery.

Murphy won't survive long term, but we're probably waiting on the draft to truly replace him. The cupboard is rather threadbare at the moment.

But we recruited Gibbs the midfielder who has no real point of difference. He's a bit taller, but isn't a contested marking type. Can play half back, but we've got plenty of those. Oh, and needed 4 years at around $600k whereas Lyons would accept 3, this being the last of those, at half that. So I was wrong, there is a point of difference.

 

[1970crow]

Tex or Lynch.

Fog stays as is the future.

I had them in order. Just didn't include the >>>>>>>>>>>> between Tex and Fog. Couldn't give a rats with the first 2 in terms of footy output and our future. But Tex is a bit of a favourite.

 

[Golumless]

But we recruited Gibbs the midfielder who has no real point of difference. He's a bit taller, but isn't a contested marking type. Can play half back, but we've got plenty of those. Oh, and needed 4 years at around $600k whereas Lyons would accept 3, this being the last of those, at half that. So I was wrong, there is a point of difference.

Gibbs peak > Lyons peak.

Lyons gets love and he deserves it due to being a really likable guy, but really, he's a journeyman level AFL player, and plenty of those end up winning Mageries in the SANFL instead. Gibbs at his best is a class above that.

A damn shame we ruined that shot with our own mismanagement.

 

[Brenton Davy]

I do wonder who they sit on Neale. I'd run Jones with him, or Neddy. Tough ask for the kids but it'll give them a huge learning opportunity to see what one of the best mids in the game does

Brown to Neale
Murphy to Cameron for mine

 

[1970crow]

Godden said our midfield will be much younger than we are used to.

Also said we will tag Neale.

Also said Rory struggled with a very painful leg. What the frogshit for??? What is the value him hobbling around injured. It's demented. Rory himself should rule himself out. I see the selfishness culture remains elite. Be shit yourself AND deny a kid a game. Good for you Rory.

 

[Truck25]

Murphy wont be dropped when Stengle comes back.
Doesnt deserve to be either.
The hate mob are going to be very disappointed.

You can't knock the kids effort, but it just hasn't worked for him. Mind you he has been at the wrong end of the ground.
I do wonder if moving him back would work.

 

[Truck25]

Keays appears to a fit guy who keeps running to the wrong spots... so playing him in a run with role on a ball magnet like Neale could be a great move.

We need to try new things.

What about Murphy? same size, speed and defensive pressure is Murphy's game. Murph might learn a thing or 2 as a bonus.

 

[1970crow]

We would barely have 16 players to play a scratchy

And this is why I reckon they won't cut list sizes. Less money for sure, but clubs need high 30's operationally to run 2 teams. And the game is better for that.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

You can't knock the kids effort, but it just hasn't worked for him. Mind you he has been at the wrong end of the ground.
I do wonder if moving him back would work.

Either move him or drop him.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What about Murphy? same size, speed and defensive pressure is Murphy's game. Murph might learn a thing or 2 as a bonus.

Not sure he has the same tank... though we could rotate 2 players given Neale has a huge tank.

Keays is meant to be one of our fittest.