Preview Changes: R8 vs Essendon

[Kezza86]

Nope. O'Brien is fine at center stoppage hitouts, he's on a hiding to nothing when even his taps directly to our players on the chest are fumbled.

ROB is part of the problem because he has no IQ for a ruckman.

https://afl.app.link/s5tH2Urni8

 

[cleanhands]

He's had plenty of opportunities, and shown absolutely nothing every single time.

He's not going to be Lyons 2.0. He's Mitch Grigg 2.0.

Have to agree every time have watched at AFL level,have seen no sign he’ll make it

 

[Mutineer]

In this footage last night I highlighted a number of Matt Crouch's fails:



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In the footage are a number of center bounces.

- The first one is a Ryder tap to Matt Crouch's man (Matt is 3m behind within half a second).
- The second is a Ryder tap to space, again Matt is miles behind his man.
- The third O'Brien taps directly to Matt but Steele rips it off him
- The fourth again O'Brien taps to where Matt or Brad should have been, but where the St Kilda player had worked to
- The fifth Ryder taps directly to where Matt is and he can't even be bothered bending over to pick it up
- The sixth O'Brien taps it to Jones who can't quite run onto it, then the Crouch brothers let it out the back
- The seventh the ball goes to ground and our players can't get it, again Matt lets it out
- The eighth Ryder taps directly to where Brad is running to, but Brad handballs it straight up in the air to a flat footed Matt who is 3m away under pressure

It's not O'Brien who is getting pansted at center stoppages, it's our ******* abysmal midfield. In fact in none of these eight occasions is O'Brien jumped all over and only on one occasion could you say a midfielder was even remotely given "silver service" by Ryder

Didn't think it would be long before you put your oar in the water....totally predictable......Matt is playing abysmally this season, no argument from me there but ROB is a very poor centre ball up Ruckman where he can't go body on body/wrestle mode with his lack of any semblance of a decent leap.

 

[Vader]

At the very first bounce in the entire game, Ryder taps directly to Matt Crouch who is in front and closest to the ball. Jones runs past him to get the ball first.

Happened all night and a few people here want to blame O'Brien for our center bounce work

ROB loses the centre bounces in a ratio of 3:1 or worse. He's utterly hopeless at centre bounces - he's barely an improvement over Tex Walker in that regard. The fact that the Crouch brothers are incapable of getting their hands on it, on the rare occasions when he does actually win a tap, does not absolve ROB of failing to win enough taps in the first place.

 

[Truck25]

There had better be changes, but IMO every single player currently in the 22 with less than 30 games gets a gold pass. I don't care if they had a mare, they play end of story, that is how you rebuild a list. The only time one of these players comes out it is only to be replaced by Fog, Butts, Schoenberg, Poholke. Sholl or Worrell.

Hartigan, Dmac, Kelly, MCrouch and Brown, yes Brown who has given nothing but added to our slow as a slug movement out of defense all need to make way.
Normally you don't cut as hard as this but these senior players are way off the mark and don't help the kids.

 

[SellarStardom]

There will be a change this week with one of Frampton, Berg or Strachan coming in.

Nicks comment in the post match was all about looking at additional ruck capacity in the 22. That could mean anything but we have seen Berg (no), Walker (no) and Frampton(maybe) tried in ruck, the only other option left untried is Strachan

 

[Scorpus]

ROB loses the centre bounces in a ratio of 3:1 or worse. He's utterly hopeless at centre bounces - he's barely an improvement over Tex Walker in that regard. The fact that the Crouch brothers are incapable of getting their hands on it, on the rare occasions when he does actually win a tap, does not absolve ROB of failing to win enough taps in the first place.

He doesn't lose the center bounce at a 3:1 ratio, that's a load of shit. A hitout to advantage also requires the midfielder your hitting it to, to get the ball.

For example, O'Brien taps it directly to a Crouch brother twice in the first half. And I mean directly, as in the ball hits the player on the full. Both times the Crouch brother totally botches it. He's only (allegedly) credited with 1 center square hitout to advantage in the entire match and none in the first half.

I've watched the game closely. O'Brien gets first hand on the ball half the time where there is a decisively won tap:

1 - Ryder to Matt - Jones runs past Matt to get the ball
2 - Draw to Z Jones - both rucks tap in this direction at the same time
3 - Ryder to Z Jones - Jones only gets the ball because Matt is 5m behind
4 - O'Brien to Brad - Brad can't get it
5 - Ryder to C Jones
6 - Ryder to Steele - free against Crows
7 - Ryder to Keays - free for Crows
8 - O'Brien to Matt - hits Matt on the chest and he fumbles it
9 - Draw - both rucks over run the ball and it goes sideways, I think Ryder taps it but it's ineffective
10 - O'Brien to Ross - Matt should have been there, his man gets the ball
11 - O'Brien to Brad - hits Brad on the full and he fumbles it
12 - O'Brien to Keays - free for Crows
13 - Ryder to Matt - can't get it
14 - Draw - both rucks tap to same spot, Jones can't get it
15 - Ryder to Brad - O'Brien pushes Ryder under the ball and the tap is ineffective, although Brad botches it
16 - O'Brien to Brad - Brad fumbles it (difficult chance)
17 - O'Brien to C Jones - Jones can't get to it
18 - Ryder to Z Jones
19 - Draw to Brad - both rucks tap to this open space, Brad botches it
20 - Recalled
21 - Ryder to Steele (throw up)
22 - Draw to Seedsman - unclear who tapped it first
23 - O'Brien to Keays - HTA

Ryder - 9 decisive wins
O'Brien - 8 decisive wins
Draw - 5 taps to same area/unclear who gets it first

7 of O'Brien's 8 decisive taps are directly to our players. Four of those occasions the Crouches stuff it up, another occasion Jones stuffs up, one is a clear HTA to Keays and another is a free for us. I think O'Brien won every tap against Marshall.

None of Ryder's taps were particularly amazing, most were to contests inside the center square that we lost, or to space where we were second to the ball. A number of occasions Ryder actually taps it directly to a Crows player in best position

 

[Kezza86]

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There had better be changes, but IMO every single player currently in the 22 with less than 30 games gets a gold pass. I don't care if they had a mare, they play end of story, that is how you rebuild a list. The only time one of these players comes out it is only to be replaced by Fog, Butts, Schoenberg, Poholke. Sholl or Worrell.

Hartigan, Dmac, Kelly, MCrouch and Brown, yes Brown who has given nothing but added to our slow as a slug movement out of defense all need to make way.
Normally you don't cut as hard as this but these senior players are way off the mark and don't help the kids.

Sorry no one should ever get gold passes depending how many games they played.

 

[hey shorty]

Rowey reckons Strachan will play this week.

Prepare for delisting Kieran

 

[Scorpus]

Rowey reckons Strachan will play this week.

Prepare for delisting Kieran

Replacing O'Brien or are we going to tag team... Andrew Phillips?

 

[hey shorty]

Replacing O'Brien or are we going to tag team... Andrew Phillips?

Drop Harto, Fish goes back and Strachan comes in..... Would be my guess.

 

[Scorpus]

Drop Harto, Fish goes back and Strachan comes in..... Would be my guess.

Could get ugly

 

[Kezza86]

He doesn't lose the center bounce at a 3:1 ratio, that's a load of sh*t. A hitout to advantage also requires the midfielder your hitting it to, to get the ball.

For example, O'Brien taps it directly to a Crouch brother twice in the first half. And I mean directly, as in the ball hits the player on the full. Both times the Crouch brother totally botches it. He's only (allegedly) credited with 1 center square hitout to advantage in the entire match and none in the first half.

I've watched the game closely. O'Brien gets first hand on the ball half the time where there is a decisively won tap:

1 - Ryder to Matt - Jones runs past Matt to get the ball
2 - Draw to Z Jones - both rucks tap in this direction at the same time
3 - Ryder to Z Jones - Jones only gets the ball because Matt is 5m behind
4 - O'Brien to Brad - Brad can't get it
5 - Ryder to C Jones
6 - Ryder to Steele - free against Crows
7 - Ryder to Keays - free for Crows
8 - O'Brien to Matt - hits Matt on the chest and he fumbles it
9 - Draw - both rucks over run the ball and it goes sideways, I think Ryder taps it but it's ineffective
10 - O'Brien to Ross - Matt should have been there, his man gets the ball
11 - O'Brien to Brad - hits Brad on the full and he fumbles it
12 - O'Brien to Keays - free for Crows
13 - Ryder to Matt - can't get it
14 - Draw - both rucks tap to same spot, Jones can't get it
15 - Ryder to Brad - O'Brien pushes Ryder under the ball and the tap is ineffective, although Brad botches it
16 - O'Brien to Brad - Brad fumbles it (difficult chance)
17 - O'Brien to C Jones - Jones can't get to it
18 - Ryder to Z Jones
19 - Draw to Brad - both rucks tap to this open space, Brad botches it
20 - Recalled
21 - Ryder to Steele (throw up)
22 - Draw to Seedsman - unclear who tapped it first
23 - O'Brien to Keays - HTA

Ryder - 9 decisive wins
O'Brien - 8 decisive wins
Draw - 5 taps to same area/unclear who gets it first

7 of O'Brien's 8 decisive taps are directly to our players. Four of those occasions the Crouches stuff it up, another occasion Jones stuffs up, one is a clear HTA to Keays and another is a free for us. I think O'Brien won every tap against Marshall.

None of Ryder's taps were particularly amazing, most were to contests inside the center square that we lost, or to space where we were second to the ball. A number of occasions Ryder actually taps it directly to a Crows player in best position

How many were hit to advantage? I know ROB gets his hand on it but can never get a clear tap. This because he does not know how to use his body.

 

[Scorpus]

How many were hit to advantage? I know ROB gets his hand on it but can never get a clear tap. This because he does not know how to use his body.

Hard to say and would depend on how you count advantage. Most of his taps went to areas where one of our players was and was in a better position to win the ball.

Similar with Ryder, there were few direct taps to advantage but many where the St Kilda players worked hard to get in best position from the tap and win it. We didn't work as hard despite O'Brien giving us enough to work with. Alternatively Ryder did tap it straight to us at times.

I didn't think O'Brien was amazing at centre bounce but he wasn't destroyed. Was average

 

[Cap]

There will be a change this week with one of Frampton, Berg or Strachan coming in.

Nicks comment in the post match was all about looking at additional ruck capacity in the 22. That could mean anything but we have seen Berg (no), Walker (no) and Frampton(maybe) tried in ruck, the only other option left untried is Strachan

What baffles me with Frampton is what didn't we know about him before we drafted him?

 

[hey shorty]

Could get ugly

At least we learn something I guess, with Harto playing we learn nothing.

I'm all for giving ROB a rest when the fixture gets busy, that's the only time I see Strachan playing

 

[Dangerousfield]

I can see things I like in other kids, but not so much Ned. Happy to be wrong.

I'm getting a horrible feeling he's a bust, which would be ok if he was a pick in the 50s :-(

So hard to see him making the leap to the required level, unless you put on your Crows coloured glasses that hugely magnify any small positive

 

[Truck25]

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Sorry no one should ever get gold passes depending how many games they played.

Normally I would say your right, but these are not normal times. We drafted these kids to play AFL we need to know if they can make it and there is only one way to do that, play them.

 

[Truck25]

He doesn't lose the center bounce at a 3:1 ratio, that's a load of sh*t. A hitout to advantage also requires the midfielder your hitting it to, to get the ball.

For example, O'Brien taps it directly to a Crouch brother twice in the first half. And I mean directly, as in the ball hits the player on the full. Both times the Crouch brother totally botches it. He's only (allegedly) credited with 1 center square hitout to advantage in the entire match and none in the first half.

I've watched the game closely. O'Brien gets first hand on the ball half the time where there is a decisively won tap:

1 - Ryder to Matt - Jones runs past Matt to get the ball
2 - Draw to Z Jones - both rucks tap in this direction at the same time
3 - Ryder to Z Jones - Jones only gets the ball because Matt is 5m behind
4 - O'Brien to Brad - Brad can't get it
5 - Ryder to C Jones
6 - Ryder to Steele - free against Crows
7 - Ryder to Keays - free for Crows
8 - O'Brien to Matt - hits Matt on the chest and he fumbles it
9 - Draw - both rucks over run the ball and it goes sideways, I think Ryder taps it but it's ineffective
10 - O'Brien to Ross - Matt should have been there, his man gets the ball
11 - O'Brien to Brad - hits Brad on the full and he fumbles it
12 - O'Brien to Keays - free for Crows
13 - Ryder to Matt - can't get it
14 - Draw - both rucks tap to same spot, Jones can't get it
15 - Ryder to Brad - O'Brien pushes Ryder under the ball and the tap is ineffective, although Brad botches it
16 - O'Brien to Brad - Brad fumbles it (difficult chance)
17 - O'Brien to C Jones - Jones can't get to it
18 - Ryder to Z Jones
19 - Draw to Brad - both rucks tap to this open space, Brad botches it
20 - Recalled
21 - Ryder to Steele (throw up)
22 - Draw to Seedsman - unclear who tapped it first
23 - O'Brien to Keays - HTA

Ryder - 9 decisive wins
O'Brien - 8 decisive wins
Draw - 5 taps to same area/unclear who gets it first

7 of O'Brien's 8 decisive taps are directly to our players. Four of those occasions the Crouches stuff it up, another occasion Jones stuffs up, one is a clear HTA to Keays and another is a free for us. I think O'Brien won every tap against Marshall.

None of Ryder's taps were particularly amazing, most were to contests inside the center square that we lost, or to space where we were second to the ball. A number of occasions Ryder actually taps it directly to a Crows player in best position

Do you have the list of who was at the center bounces?

 

[hey shorty]

I'm getting a horrible feeling he's a bust, which would be ok if he was a pick in the 50s :-(

So hard to see him making the leap to the required level, unless you put on your Crows coloured glasses that hugely magnify any small positive

It's pretty easy to see, he dominated a SANFL final off an interrupted pre season against the best midfield in the comp.

He's not a small forward or inside mid. Get him out on a wing and let him find space rather than being drawn to a contest.

 

[Scorpus]

Do you have the list of who was at the center bounces?

There's another thread where you can find that info

 

[Thetrader15]

Didn't think it would be long before you put your oar in the water....totally predictable......Matt is playing abysmally this season, no argument from me there but ROB is a very poor centre ball up Ruckman where he can't go body on body/wrestle mode with his lack of any semblance of a decent leap.

It's like watching Sam Jacobs all over again. Still, at least ROB makes an effort around the ground.

The CB set up is horiffic. The is no moment all. Mick Godden has A LOT of work to do

 

[Mutineer]

Anyone see a concerning trend here re Centre ball ups opposed to Stoppage ball ups and Boundary Ball ins? And why the general anomaly between our centre ball up clearances where we're getting pantsed opposed to Stoppage/Ball in Clearances where we're relatively competitive. West Coast game in point. Why are our on ballers relatively competitive clearance wise around the ground but getting pantsed at the centre ball ups? Thank **** with shortened quarters there's less goal scoring.

Adelaide vs Sydney

Centre Clearances 5 -20
Stoppage Clearances 20 - 26

Adelaide vs Port

Centre Clearances 10 - 12
Stoppage Clearances 21 - 27

Adelaide vs Gold Coast

Centre Clearances 5 - 12
Stoppage Clearances 20 -26

Adelaide vs Brisbane

Centre Clearances 7 - 11
Stoppage Clearances 15 - 20

Adelaide vs Fremantle

Centre Clearances 5 -7
Stoppage Clearances 19 - 13

Adelaide vs West Coast

Centre Clearances 4 - 13
Stoppage Clearances 13 -15

Adelaide vs St. Kilda

Centre Clearances 7 - 14
Stoppage Clearances 24 - 22

 

[I Lost My Keays]

For the love of god play Schoenberg

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

He's had time in the guts too, and been found wanting consistently.

Lol, 2 games when he has actually performed ok.