Preview Changes - Rd 18 vs West Coast

[1970crow]

Totally agree. The thing is that hypothetically , even if McKay was slightly better that sholl at the moment then it would still make strategic sense to pick sholl over McKay because sholl is part of the future. It feels like we don’t have an underlying strategy with selection to the rebuild.

we don't rebuild. Our strategy is only ever about the 4 points on offer this weekend. It's never been any different. Nit this year, not last year, not in any year since Neil Craig became senior ciach.

 

[Scorpus]

It's abundantly clear our football department is filled with reactionary short term thinkers. We are very quick to panic and once again have done so this week

 

[dogs105]

Changes themselves aside... Why do they distinguish between Thilthorpe as managed, but everyone else as dropped? What purpose does that serve, why not say they're all omitted?

It stops people on bigfooty melting about Thilthorpe

 

[Scorpus]

Have we ever "rested" a player after a good game?

Or is it just a term cowards use for dropping a young player that had a poor game in a way they don't have to explain themselves properly?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We had a better % of scoring shots per inside 50 than Port, Gold Coast and Richmond last weekend - forwards were not the main issue.

Exactly right. Midfield is our No 1 issue and it's the one area of the ground we treat as untouchable

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Changes themselves aside... Why do they distinguish between Thilthorpe as managed, but everyone else as dropped? What purpose does that serve, why not say they're all omitted?

Because Thilthorpe won't play SANFL and the others will

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Have we ever "rested" a player after a good game?

Or is it just a term cowards use for dropping a young player that had a poor game in a way they don't have to explain themselves properly?

Next week will be interesting with Thilthorpe

 

[Deaneus!]

they’ve got next week’s date on this

july 25

how can we ever trust them again?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

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they’ve got next week’s date on this

july 25

how can we ever trust them again?

I dread asking but who do people think will be sub and held back from SANFL?

 

[CrowBloke]

Did you watch the last place norf beat us at home in the wet a few nights ago?

No, but now you mention it, that's a shocker in a weekend of several upsets.

Odd, isn't it? Two supporters of rival clubs claiming "we-are-shitter" rights .

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Pedlar, Sloane and Berry playing midfield

 

[CrowBloke]

We've discussed Nicks' distaste for shallow entries before. Only Tex is authorised to be hit up 40m out. This is why lots of our entries are to what seem poor options. It's how the players are coached. It's only why they're coached that way that is up for discussion. I'm confident that it's purely because it's easier to defend a turnover deep inside you 50. Nicks is a loser coach, his greatest problem is delivery to forwards and his solution isn't to change the deliverers, it's to minimise the damage caused by the deliverers whilst making the forwards jobs harder. It's probably why he values Mackay ahead of Sholl. Sholl looks to hit up leading forwards, Mackay bombs deep to contests.

And let's not forget that our inability to pressure out of defence and then between the arcs makes defending in their 50 near impossible. Nicks refuses to address the source of the issue and instead creates strategies that ensures we'll go absolutely nowhere out of sheer fear of changing the midfield dynamic. That VB is our midfield ciach is of massive concern. We need to remove all traces of Neil Craig the coach from our club.

Really good reply, thanks.
Yours is the only explanation I've read that makes sense of experienced players (Laird/Sloane/Seedsman/Smith) playing Bombadier so often ie it's under Nicks' instruction, if not insistence. Last week, it was infuriating to watch the slow chip-chip to just forward of centre, then bomb in high, but it uses up time and means the opposition has to rebound from their D50, well, except for earlier turnovers from poor kicking that gift goals away, sooner.
The strategies you mention are for loss-minimisation --- better teams than the Crows have had much heavier losses

I watched most of the Richmond/Brisbane game last night --- plenty of clean exits from clearances to well-positioned, hard-running outside mids who spotted up teammates around the F35-55m mark, of which technique the Crows seem incapable.
I'd read that VB had been an Assistant coaching success at WCE and I don't recall that he was a bomb-in mid himself (was he?), but he was no McLeod/Goodwin/Edwards/Johnson.
Are Nicks and VB scared of losing by more, or just incompetent? It all makes the wins over Geelong, Melbourne and the Saints seem even more miraculous.

 

[crows dude]

I dread asking but who do people think will be sub and held back from SANFL?

Sholl or Pedlar will be sub the other will be held back. Frampton will play today

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Sholl or Pedlar will be sub the other will be held back. Frampton will play today

Yeah think you're right sadly

Potentially no game for Sholl or Pedlar in a rebuilding year

 

[CrowBloke]

Scholl looks cooked. Needs a rest and six months years in the gym.

Ftfy .
Sholl is a scrawny kid, isn't he?
Earlier in the season he was running long and hard, leading the Comp. in Kms. covered, kicking beautifully with both feet. I wonder why/how such a fit player can get cooked, but bigger bodies are hitting him and rag-dolling him in tackles. It's gotta add up.

 

[DJ75]

So, some interesting news I heard recently.

Doedee was subbed out of the game due to blurred vision - he was not concussed. In fact he passed the concussion test at the time and later that night.
He felt fine the next day and has been fine ever since, consistently passing all concussion tests.

BUT the AFL have declared that he must enter concussion protocols. Doedee is pissed because he has to run through a series of tests throughout the next 12 days and can't do main group trainings, even though he has zero concussion symptoms. They didn't like the look of the collision.

I don't want to say I told you so, but...Scott Burns (as per todays paper) has confirmed exactly this.
The AFL overruled our doctors and has made Tom go through concussion protocols even though he did not fail a concussion test and has been cleared by our doctors.

Pretty interesting precedent being set by the AFL.

 

[Mismatched]

Why even bother bringing Davis in for his one game of the year and then drop him straight after?

That's the kind of bullshit Sando used to pull.

He wasn’t brought in, he was medical sub.

 

[Iron]

Nicks needs to read the room, and he has about 3-4 weeks to do it. Ignore the voices, ignore the peer pressure.

If he doesnt, His career will be over in a months time, even if it takes another 12 months to play out.

 

[skam85]

A forward line of Lynch, Walker, Himmelberg and Fogarty is certainly bold as well.

Guess we have just given up on forward pressure by going tall and extremely slow

Maybe Himmelberg is playing in defence?

 

[CrowBloke]

Changes themselves aside... Why do they distinguish between Thilthorpe as managed, but everyone else as dropped? What purpose does that serve, why not say they're all omitted?

Statement from the Club in reply:
"Good question, thanks for playing.
Thilthorpe has been 'managed' because oppo Coaches/players have put extra attention into him since the Saints win and we're giving him a rest to freshen up, at least a week too late. Don't worry, we'll bring him back sooner than he's ready for. He's medium-rare and we want him well-done, AFC-style.
Frampton has been dropped until he stands out at SANFL level again, after which Nicksy will give him another go.
Sholl has been dropped to accommodate Mackay who is He-Who-Must-Be-Retained, duh, obviously",
.

 

[Trigger13]

Am I the only one who thinks Sholl is far from the long term AFL player so many assume he is going to be?

 

[DJ75]

Am I the only one who thinks Sholl is far from the long term AFL player so many assume he is going to be?

He really has dropped off a long what from what we saw early in the season.
I still think he has enormous potential though.

 

[1970crow]

Exactly right. Midfield is our No 1 issue and it's the one area of the ground we treat as untouchable

midfield is a status symbol, once you’ve earned your stripes you have them until retirement. Look at Thommo, went from opening bounce number 1 midfielder all the way to the end of 2016 to totally unwanted and gifted a final year in the 2s purely because we couldn’t stomach delisting him after he went public with his desire to keep playing. It’s just how we roll.

 

[thebirdman 24]

midfield is a status symbol, once you’ve earned your stripes you have them until retirement. Look at Thommo, went from opening bounce number 1 midfielder all the way to the end of 2016 to totally unwanted and gifted a final year in the 2s purely because we couldn’t stomach delisting him after he went public with his desire to keep playing. It’s just how we roll.

The club prefers stats to actual performance - see the Roo v Greenwood exchange last year. Laird and Keays regularly get 25 plus, but still don't pass the eye test for a good game.

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[Brett Cummings]

if we dont get horne I want nicks sacked. that is the only thing that will make up for such garbage selections.