Unofficial Preview Changes (Rd 22) v Gold Coast Suns

[Dylan12]

I'm not that emotionally invested in one game of football that won't impact our future at all.

If it was up to me I would rather Walsh or lukosious over a win at Metricon.

Club will push for the win though because that's how the club operates.

I would never want us to tank, but I think more people agree with this line of thinking yet wouldn’t have the guts to admit it.

 

[Dylan12]

McInerny has been really good actually. Defensive pressure, pressure relieving marks especially this weekend. Needs to kick more goals tho but is a lot better than Smith at this stage. Why should we give Archie an opportunity if he hasn't deserved it?

I think he does deserve it; tokenism doesn’t have a place in footy IMO, which I think you’re implying with me saying he should replace McInerney.

 

[a mayes ing]

I think he does deserve it; tokenism doesn’t have a place in footy IMO, which I think you’re implying with me saying he should replace McInerney.

Why do you think he deserves it? When was the last time he was in the bests. How many goals and marks does he get each week, which he needs to as he would be replacing Big O as you are suggesting.

 

[SonnyBoy1]

Out: RICH, Big O, Gardiner (if injured) and Starcevich

Ins: Allison, Bailey, Cox and Beams

 

[cotter101]

Out: Gardiner(Inj), Hodge(Rested), Starcevich, Taylor, Big O(Omitted)

In: Allison, Bailey, Lyons, Cox, Wooller.


We need some speed and mobility in the team. Gardiner to miss injured. Hodge has had a good year but was poor last night I felt. Besides, I want to see how the young backline does without him against another young team.

Bailey will give us some X factor and zip through the midddle. Lyons comes in to try and offer something as an inside midfielder. Allison and Cox provide run out of the backline whilst Wooller plays as a link up roaming HFF.

Robertson Walker Rich
Witherden Andrews Allison

Cutler Lyons Bailey

Wooller Hipwood Beams
Zorko McStay Christensen

Foll: Stef, Berry, McCluggage

Matho, Cox, Rayner, Robinson

 

[jackess]

Which changes didn’t you agree with; Taylor, Gardiner (same outs), McStay, Beams, Hodge or McInerney?

I’ve commented on why Beams should be omitted, but I want pace and more versatility, hence Allison and Cox coming in who you also said should come in (replacing Hodge), but also Bewick to replace McStay who hasn’t offered much defensive pressure.

I’m guessing you’ve taken issue with Beams and McInerney being omitted. McInerney has been rubbish of late and doesn’t offer a lot more than Smith, who IMO should be given an opportunity.

The ones I didn’t pick I disagree with although Hodge could be rested.

I think McStay and O have played their roles quite well and our forward line has functioned well when we don’t chip it around like we did last night. Smith offers nothing around the ground so he can’t play with Stef and Bewick will be delisted because he’s a flaky outside player.

 

[lioninthesand]

I would hope we don't ever directly or indirectly tank. Winning is always better.

We are however, FAR better off losing next weekend. Pick 2 over pick 4. Yes please.

 

[jackess]

I would hope we don't ever directly or indirectly tank. Winning is always better.

We are however, FAR better off losing next weekend. Pick 2 over pick 4. Yes please.

Our last pick 2 didn't help us too much

 

[BRAB]

Our last pick 2 didn't help us too much

Last pick 1 goes alright. Good thing we lost to North I'd say.

That loss wasn't club shattering culture wise either.

 

[Dylan12]

Why do you think he deserves it? When was the last time he was in the bests. How many goals and marks does he get each week, which he needs to as he would be replacing Big O as you are suggesting.

I’m not sure when he was last in the “bests” but a couple of weeks ago I thought he was BOG. IMO, Smith is our best tap ruckman though so he is warranted a game particularly balanced against McInerney’s average form of late.

 

[Dylan12]

I would hope we don't ever directly or indirectly tank. Winning is always better.

We are however, FAR better off losing next weekend. Pick 2 over pick 4. Yes please.

Particularly when that pick will either be Walsh or Lukosius and whoever is available at pick 5 after we leapfrog St Kilda and the Suns get two picks before our first.

 

[dlanod]

I have faith the club will go out there and try their damnedest every week to win, unlike a few others I could name.

The fact that there's a silver lining to the cloud that is losing is purely on my head as a fan, I don't expect the club to let it enter their calculations.

 

[Elixuh]

Particularly when that pick will either be Walsh or Lukosius and whoever is available at pick 5 after we leapfrog St Kilda and the Suns get two picks before our first.

You're an odd unit Dylan. You enjoy being able to have a meltdown when we are playing poorly, disappear when we are playing well and this week you're hoping we lose for some picks. Strange.

 

[Lions Flag 2020]

One change Gardiner. I don't want to upset cohesion of team. Pies would have beaten Suns by 60 last night.

 

[Dylan12]

You're an odd unit Dylan. You enjoy being able to have a meltdown when we are playing poorly, disappear when we are playing well and this week you're hoping we lose for some picks. Strange.

Disappear when we’re playing well; given I post weekly.

I’ve only been pissed a couple of times this year, and largely positive in a lot of losses, so fair exaggeration there.

When did I say I’m wanting us to lose? I’ve pointed out that there are serious benefits if the Suns beat us, but I’ve never advocated tanking or wanting us to lose.

I guess that makes me odd.

 

[KissKiss]

It was pretty noticeable that after Gardiner went down we really missed NRobbo's run. So agree that we should look to Allison, although Mayes is another option back there.

Starc looked like he has a future but in a must win game not sure we have him out there. Baily or again Mayes up forward could be an option

 

[spotthedog1]

I would hope we don't ever directly or indirectly tank. Winning is always better.

We are however, FAR better off losing next weekend. Pick 2 over pick 4. Yes please.

*Pick 5. Carlton, GC, GC, St Kilda, us.

Our last pick 2 didn't help us too much

Yes it did. It got us McCluggage and Berry.

 

[spotthedog1]

Dlanod was spot on - players and coaches MUST go out there to win. If we don't, it compromises the entire culture of the club.

That said, I honestly don't mind if we go in a bit cocky and get taught a lesson. Gardiner injured. Caution on Zorks' ankle. Starce should keep his spot - first time player, you'd usually give them at least 3 games, and Fages has generally given them longer than that. I could see Bailey in for Zorks (best 2s player of last week), and maybe Hinge or Keays in for Gardiner. That's not a tanking lineup. From there, it depends who shows up. If the Suns who played Sydney show up, we're in trouble. If the Suns who played Carlton or Melbourne show up, cake walk.

Win or lose, we can't lose.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

stuff the draft pick, don't need it as bad anymore. Plenty of young guns in the squad already. Would rather thump them by 100, anyway my changes

Taylor and Dizz out

Bailey and Lester in

 

[royboys4eva]

Anything other than a win will not be acceptable. We are playing the Q clash, we are playing to establish ourselves - we need identity and garnish the taste of winning. I couldn't give a rats arse about draft pick 2 or 4. Who knows which player will be better anyway?

Deal in the now and the fact that if we can't beat the Suns this week with the injuries they have had and all the travel they have had - than we haven't progressed nearly as much as we thought. If we're fair dinkum and I'm sure Fagan is thinking the same, we should go out there this week and beat them and probably beat them well.

If we want to flirt with team selections this week and make wholesale changes and then lose I fear for the players mentality - look at the Demons they still can't win games when needed. If I was a player I would feel a lot better about myself and the club if we won this week and won well, rather than losing and thinking oh well we get a better draft pick!

 

[Tom14]

Dlanod was spot on - players and coaches MUST go out there to win. If we don't, it compromises the entire culture of the club.

That said, I honestly don't mind if we go in a bit cocky and get taught a lesson. Gardiner injured. Caution on Zorks' ankle. Starce should keep his spot - first time player, you'd usually give them at least 3 games, and Fages has generally given them longer than that. I could see Bailey in for Zorks (best 2s player of last week), and maybe Hinge or Keays in for Gardiner. That's not a tanking lineup. From there, it depends who shows up. If the Suns who played Sydney show up, we're in trouble. If the Suns who played Carlton or Melbourne show up, cake walk.

Win or lose, we can't lose.

We definitely can lose from this. The suns have scored 100 points once this year (rd 2) and only 80+ in one other game (v the swans). I'd be bitterly disappointed if we failed to kick a winning score against htem and it would disrupt all the nice momentum we've built the second half of the year. Plus its not exactly the best advertisement to potential recruits if we finish below Gold Coast.

I do mind if we go in cocky and get taught a lesson - good, professional teams usually get the job done against teams like Gold Coast and that is the standard we must aspire to.

Zorks played out the game and won't miss this week you would think, and I don't see the point of bringing Keays in - much rather see Allison or cox add some run and carry to the backline and avoid Cutler having to rotate through halfback as he had to on the weekend.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Would like to see Hinge given a go. Straight swap for Dizzy.

 

[Suitcase]

I hope Starcevich holds his spot. Although he didn't get much of the footy, he did a few really classy things when he got it. He improved on last week and will keep improving rapidly if we leave him in the senior team. Reckon he will be a good player.

 

[spotthedog1]

I couldn't give a rats arse about draft pick 2 or 4.

Pick 2 or 5. Top 4 picks considered to be band one (Luk, Walsh, Smith, Rankine), before a bit of a step down, unless someone takes a King in the top 4. We've stated we need mids. At pick 5, you may end up with a mid rated about 10th (Collier-Dawkins, or similar).

Who knows which player will be better anyway?

Well, I really hope that the experts who we pay substantial sums of money to scout and list manage would have some idea. It's not an exact science, but to disregard any difference on grounds of "5 may be better than 2" is obviously flawed. The same logic say that we may as well trade our first round pick for a fourth round pick. Who knows which player will be better anyway? Yes, that's a ludicrous argument, and deliberately so.

Personally, I think that the increased likelihood of pick 2 turning into an elite player comparative to pick 5 exceeds any negative to our club, players, culture, and recruiting by winning one less game this year, especially against Gold Coast. If we were playing Richmond, and we managed to beat them, that would be worth quite a bit. Gold Coast? Not so much. Losing to them? Not great, but at the same time, if they get ahead of themselves, could be a lesson to pull their heads in.

Players and coaches must give it their all, but if they lose? Ah well, we're well compensated.

 

[spotthedog1]

We definitely can lose from this. The suns have scored 100 points once this year (rd 2) and only 80+ in one other game (v the swans). I'd be bitterly disappointed if we failed to kick a winning score against htem and it would disrupt all the nice momentum we've built the second half of the year. Plus its not exactly the best advertisement to potential recruits if we finish below Gold Coast.

I do mind if we go in cocky and get taught a lesson - good, professional teams usually get the job done against teams like Gold Coast and that is the standard we must aspire to.

Zorks played out the game and won't miss this week you would think, and I don't see the point of bringing Keays in - much rather see Allison or cox add some run and carry to the backline and avoid Cutler having to rotate through halfback as he had to on the weekend.

See my other argument above.

"Good, professional teams usually get the job done against team like Gold Coast". Yep, except for when they don't. Upsets happen regularly enough. Sydney went in there a bit cocky, and got taught a lesson. It may have cost them a spot in the finals. Certainly more than it'd cost us.

Zorks might be fine - I really hope so. Never want a player injured. But he wouldn't be the first to play out a game with strapping/painkillers and then find out its worse. Certainly not something I'm hoping for though.