Unofficial Preview Changes (Rd 22) v Gold Coast Suns

[Johnny Bananas]

I couldn't give a rats arse about draft pick 2 or 4.

I could, because trading down from 2 to 5 would net us more high picks than getting 5 outright would. And perhaps our scouts really like someone who will disappear before pick 5, we don't know yet.

One game doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. I'll be happy if we win and happy if we lose.

 

[Suitcase]

I could, because trading down from 2 to 5 would net us more high picks than getting 5 outright would. And perhaps our scouts really like someone who will disappear before pick 5, we don't know yet.

One game doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. I'll be happy if we win and happy if we lose.

I agree. I think the result of this game is huge. I would be happy to go down in a hard fought close loss.

Then again I'd be happy to belt them off the park in a big confidence boosting game. If we win, I hope we win big. I'd be pretty disappointed with a scrappy narrow win, I think that is the worst outcome here.

 

[cotter101]

Don’t think the players or coaches would be happy with a hard fought loss against GC. It’s a must win game for mine and I’ll be bitterly disappointed if that’s not the result.

 

[MacMum]

They will have to win without me this week, we have a family wedding to go to......and have to hang around right to the end.

 

[Bucking Beads]

We want to win by 10 goals. Lets drive them into the ground!

 

[Lazza16]

You can say all you like about how they want to win but there is always that little bloke in the back of ur mind saying "we need a gun for next year'. That's y I think they were so shite against Nth last year and maybe even against the magpies in the 2nd half. Its all between the ears.

 

[M Malice]

Pick 2 or 5. Top 4 picks considered to be band one (Luk, Walsh, Smith, Rankine), before a bit of a step down, unless someone takes a King in the top 4. We've stated we need mids. At pick 5, you may end up with a mid rated about 10th (Collier-Dawkins, or similar).Well, I really hope that the experts who we pay substantial sums of money to scout and list manage would have some idea. It's not an exact science, but to disregard any difference on grounds of "5 may be better than 2" is obviously flawed. The same logic say that we may as well trade our first round pick for a fourth round pick. Who knows which player will be better anyway? Yes, that's a ludicrous argument, and deliberately so.

There are always late risers up the pre draft rankings, I'm really liking the look and sound of Connor Rozee for us if we end up with pick 5 and the so called big 4 are gone.

 

[Suitcase]

Would be huge if we end up with Sam Walsh at pick 2. Lions supporter and rated as the best midfield prospect in years. I think Carlton might select him though. Then again Lukosious would be a great result also. Can't really lose with pick 2 this year.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

Would be huge if we end up with Sam Walsh at pick 2. Lions supporter and rated as the best midfield prospect in years. I think Carlton might select him though. Then again Lukosious would be a great result also. Can't really lose with pick 2 this year.

That's certainly not the case. He's rated alongside the high midfield prospects of previous years, but I haven't seen many/anybody who says they'd take him at pick 1 if the past few drafts were combined. Walsh is very good and would be a brilliant pick-up for the club if it worked - for character reasons just as much as footy reasons - but there are players like him in most drafts. I don't think he's a generational type midfielder at all.

 

[MacMum]

Would be huge if we end up with Sam Walsh at pick 2. Lions supporter and rated as the best midfield prospect in years. I think Carlton might select him though. Then again Lukosious would be a great result also. Can't really lose with pick 2 this year.

Have we drafted a Lions supporter before?....If he's good, then go for the Lion every time. Added bonus.

 

[Saucery]

Don’t think the players or coaches would be happy with a hard fought loss against GC. It’s a must win game for mine and I’ll be bitterly disappointed if that’s not the result.

This guy agrees:

ALEX Witherden has ruled out any attempts from Brisbane to claim QClash underdog status, saying it was a sour feeling for the Lions to be stuck on equal points with the Suns on the ladder.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/b...s/news-story/489539647a037575b121d3a3e83473f7


Great, respectful and even handed debate on a touchy subject (so far)

 

[jackess]

Have we drafted a Lions supporter before?....If he's good, then go for the Lion every time. Added bonus.

Keays is one

 

[MacMum]

...of course, forgot about Ben. Cheers.

 

[Suitcase]

That's certainly not the case. He's rated alongside the high midfield prospects of previous years, but I haven't seen many/anybody who says they'd take him at pick 1 if the past few drafts were combined. Walsh is very good and would be a brilliant pick-up for the club if it worked - for character reasons just as much as footy reasons - but there are players like him in most drafts. I don't think he's a generational type midfielder at all.

I have seen quite a few draft watchers rate him as the most complete midfielder in recent years. Not necessarily the best player, but the most complete for his position in the sense that he has a good combination of inside ball winning and clearance ability, breakaway speed, offensive and defensive run on the outside, and tackling pressure. He's got all the tools to be a very good midfielder and we could really do with a well rounded midfielder like that.

 

[briztoon]

Reserved for FAQs


Do I think Jack Lukosius is the best prospect at Under 18s level I've ever seen?

Yes, yes I do. Christian Petracca was the next best, but Lukosius is on another planet for the things he is capable of at his age.

How does Sam Walsh compare to other midfielders of late?

He is probably the most complete midfielder of the past few years, with Hugh McCluggage the other one with few "weaknesses" as such. Walsh's only knock I have on him is he can often overestimate his teammates abilities and place kicks in positions they can't get to, or he can overcook the kick when at full speed, but otherwise he's pretty complete.

 

[MacMum]

After reading that I'd be taking the Lion....

 

[briztoon]

After reading that I'd be taking the Lion....

He's probably (99%) going pick 1 to Carlton MacMum.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Would be huge if we end up with Sam Walsh at pick 2. Lions supporter and rated as the best midfield prospect in years. I think Carlton might select him though. Then again Lukosious would be a great result also. Can't really lose with pick 2 this year.

**** Pick 2. We don't want it.

 

[cotter101]

Not too sure I’d have used the “overestimates his teammates abilities line and places the kicks into spots they can’t get to”.

Makes Walsh look good whilst making his teammates seem slightly average. When infact, it’s Walsh’s kicking that’s the problem rather than his teammates not getting to the right spots.

 

[MacMum]

...perhaps Walsh could tell them he doesn't want to go interstate.......seems to have worked in the past!


edit: I assummed he was a Qlder, he's not apparently. Rewind above and forget

 

[Suitcase]

Not too sure I’d have used the “overestimates his teammates abilities line and places the kicks into spots they can’t get to”.

Makes Walsh look good whilst making his teammates seem slightly average. When infact, it’s Walsh’s kicking that’s the problem rather than his teammates not getting to the right spots.

Kicking is something that can be tidied up quickly. Stephenson last year is a good example of a player who butchered the ball a lot in his draft year but has tidied it up since being in a proffesional AFL environment and is now a very good kick in his first year. Worpel another example.

 

[cotter101]

Kicking is something that can be tidied up quickly. Stephenson last year is a good example of a player who butchered the ball a lot in his draft year but has tidied it up since being in a proffesional AFL environment and is now a very good kick in his first year. Worpel another example.

I’m well aware of that. My pain point was that was making Walsh out to be better than he is whilst taking away from his teammates.

Stephenson’s ball use was hardly all that bad despite what most seemed to claim. I had him top 2. Worpel I was gobsmacked he last that long. I had him getting out to #25 on my draft board at the absolute maximum. I was very keen for us to nab him.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

I think it would be a mistake to think BigFooty draft watchers represent the consensus of the recruiters.

 

[briztoon]

I want to win.

Pick 2 or pick 6 doesn't worry me so much as I'm 99% sure Carlton will draft Sam Walsh.

Stephen Conole has said we'll draft the best talent on board at our first pick, regardless of position. That could just as easily be a King twin.

Who here coined the term "the Big 4"?

From a Lions perspective, certainly Sam Walsh, Jack Lukoisius, Izak Rankine and Bailey Smith suit our needs better than one of the King twins, which I've often said, but they aren't a lock to be the first four players drafted.

The majority of draft watchers and those who talk to team scouts typically have Smith ranked at 6th on their draft boards. The only people I know who rate Smith ahead of Walsh are Knightmare and cotter101.

There's starting to be a push from sections of the media for the Gold Coast to draft both King Twins.

 

[25 years on]

We need midfielders, the best we can get, trading, drafting, anyway we can, because that is our weakness. Defence is young and good, same for our forwards, midfield is where are problems are.