Preview Changes: Round 11 vs GWS

[GameofSloanes]

The only possible ins IMO are (in order) Seed, Murphy, Hampton, ROB, Otten

Of those, I reckon Seed will be in for Poholke.

If Brown is out, Murphy is in. Prefer him over Hampton.

If we make a statement/give someone a desperately needed rest ROB would come in for Jacobs

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The only possible ins IMO are (in order) Seed, Murphy, Hampton, ROB, Otten

Of those, I reckon Seed will be in for Poholke.

If Brown is out, Murphy is in. Prefer him over Hampton.

If we make a statement/give someone a desperately needed rest ROB would come in for Jacobs

I would like to see the 1st 4 players come in, but the likelihood is we will make just the 1-2 changes.

 

[conVINCEd]

I wouldn't object to either of those changes. I can't see them happening.

You may well be right but I think the club rates Murphy ahead of Poholke; they simply took Myles as they wanted Murphy to play and didn't expect a late out. If they honestly rate Poholke ahead of Murphy we have bigger problems than previously thought.

Jacobs said he played sore against the Bulldogs but would be 'cherry ripe' to play against Gawn - he's either out injured or should be dropped for awful, awful form.

 

[Vader]

You may well be right but I think the club rates Murphy ahead of Poholke; they simply took Myles as they wanted Murphy to play and didn't expect a late out. If they honestly rate Poholke ahead of Murphy we have bigger problems than previously thought.

Jacobs said he played sore against the Bulldogs but would be 'cherry ripe' to play against Gawn - he's either out injured or should be dropped for awful, awful form.

I know I prefer Murphy to Dots, I'm just not so sure that the selectors see things the same way. In any case, replacing Dots with Murphy is hardly "drawing a line in the sand" after a 91pt defeat. Replacing a 5 gamer who averages 9.2 disposals per game, with a 4 gamer averaging 9.0 disposals per game, is hardly making a statement. Dots isn't the reason why Melbourne slaughtered our midfield - he didn't help, but he certainly wasn't the root cause of the problem.

I would like to see Jacobs rested, but I think we all know that's just not going to happen. Jacobs will continue to play unless/until he is unfit to do so.

 

[CrowinNT]

One player that should be dropped is Mackay. I want to see omitted next to his name
If Seed and Brown are good to go
Then also Poholke will be omitted
I'm not sure who else though if we want to include Hampton

 

[Vader]

One player that should be dropped is Mackay. I want to see omitted next to his name
If Seed and Brown are good to go
Then also Poholke will be omitted
I'm not sure who else though if we want to include Hampton

Why would anyone want to include Hampton?

 

[hey shorty]

You absolutely can't. At some stage you have to hit 'em where it hurts. When have we ever dropped a big name player?

It's not necessarily about who comes in either. Davis or Murphy or Signorello or Hampton or Himmelberg are all either not ready or not fully deserving of a spot. However the club desperately needs to make a statement. That was not an acceptable performance for a wooden spoon team, let alone a supposed contender.

Jacobs and Lynch (or others)... would we be prepared to make a big statement by dropping a couple of players of that status?

I'll give away my house if Lynch is dropped, such is my lack of faith that a statement will be made.

 

[CrowinNT]

Why would anyone want to include Hampton?

He provides pressure and he can actually tackle. Something our team seems to be lacking.
I realise you have written him off. That's fine however I have not done that as yet.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

I'll give away my house if Lynch is dropped, such is my lack of faith that a statement will be made.

They're not going to drop Lynch while Walker and Sloane are out. It's as simple as that.

 

[CrowBloke]

Here's an idea for a potential change: the way Pyke talks to players.
Eddie's quoted as describing Pyke's "spray" to the group after he gave them the (dreaded) Evil Eye at 3/4 time:
"I think he said, "That's not effort, go speak to your line coaches"".
Gotta say, I'm underwhelmed.

There seem to be 3 or 4 kinds of players. It's always going to be difficult to identify groups, but there's:
--- the self-motivated, who don't need a rocket or a gee-up to get going. They give their best at every opportunity.
Think: Laird, Fogarty, Talia, Sloane... etc
--- those that need and respond strongly to praise, which probably includes players from most groups, since +ve reinforcement can be very powerful.
--- the resentful, who dislike being singled out and respond better to a quiet word or a conversation behind closed doors. I'm thinking maybe Sauce is one of these ...? Mackay? Atkins?
I'd say Pyke's style, for want of a better word, suits the above, which might constitute 75-80% of the playing group.
Then there's another type:
--- the ones who for whatever reason/s lose focus and play below their best until the Coach gives them a rocket and tells them to lift their frken game. I'm guessing maybe JJ, Tex, CEY, not sure.
One of Pyke's problems, or duties, is to identify which player is which and act accordingly --- different strokes etc.
I'm worried that Pyke's laid-back, serene, restrained personality might prevent him from giving players or the whole group a blast to get them out of their stupor, as in the so-called "spray", above. Let's face it, our contested ball improved as they eased off, but we lost the last quarter as well.

 

[Bazz_27]

Here's an idea for a potential change: the way Pyke talks to players.
Eddie's quoted as describing Pyke's "spray" to the group after he gave them the (dreaded) Evil Eye at 3/4 time:
"I think he said, "That's not effort, go speak to your line coaches"".
Gotta say, I'm underwhelmed.

There seem to be 3 or 4 kinds of players. It's always going to be difficult to identify groups, but there's:
--- the self-motivated, who don't need a rocket or a gee-up to get going. They give their best at every opportunity.
Think: Laird, Fogarty, Talia, Sloane... etc
--- those that need and respond strongly to praise, which probably includes players from most groups, since +ve reinforcement can be very powerful.
--- the resentful, who dislike being singled out and respond better to a quiet word or a conversation behind closed doors. I'm thinking maybe Sauce is one of these ...? Mackay? Atkins?
I'd say Pyke's style, for want of a better word, suits the above, which might constitute 75-80% of the playing group.
Then there's another type:
--- the ones who for whatever reason/s lose focus and play below their best until the Coach gives them a rocket and tells them to lift their frken game. I'm guessing maybe JJ, Tex, CEY, not sure.
One of Pyke's problems, or duties, is to identify which player is which and act accordingly --- different strokes etc.
I'm worried that Pyke's laid-back, serene, restrained personality might prevent him from giving players or the whole group a blast to get them out of their stupor, as in the so-called "spray", above. Let's face it, our contested ball improved as they eased off, but we lost the last quarter as well.

Honestly if he doesn't know how to motivate his players he should be sacked instantly, as should every AFL coach. Anyone in the people management space must have the ability to work out how to communicate and motivate their team. I would also say that is what he said at the time and im sure he has had more to say after the game and in reviewing the game.

 

[pjcrows]

When you're playing sore, and you know your team mates are sore, and a team jumps you, and you're missing your leaders, it's hard to get back. It just is. That performance on Sunday was going to happen now, or in 3 week's time, or a fortnight ago, whenever it was that we played a fully fit team away from home. The run of 4 games at home, 3 of which were against rubbish sides, papered over the cracks.

You can call it mentally soft and you'd be partly right, but sometimes things catch up to you.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

When you're playing sore, and you know your team mates are sore, and a team jumps you, and you're missing your leaders, it's hard to get back. It just is. That performance on Sunday was going to happen now, or in 3 week's time, or a fortnight ago, whenever it was that we played a fully fit team away from home. The run of 4 games at home, 3 of which were against rubbish sides, papered over the cracks.

You can call it mentally soft and you'd be partly right, but sometimes things catch up to you.

Did seem like we reached a tipping point

 

[crows dude]

In Seeds, O'Brien, Hampton, Murphy
Out Brown inj, Sauce rest, Mackay, Poholke

 

[Bazz_27]

In Seeds, O'Brien, Hampton, Murphy
Out Brown inj, Sauce rest, Mackay, Poholke

I would take that, we can only dream though

 

[mistylake]

He provides pressure and he can actually tackle. Something our team seems to be lacking.
I realise you have written him off. That's fine however I have not done that as yet.

Didn’t we do the most ever tackles in a game 2 weeks ago?

 

[crows dude]

I would take that, we can only dream though

I emailed this to fiveaa with a never to return next to mackay which rowey just read out. Saying thats harsh. Maybe I am harsh on mackay. Its because hes being gifted to 200 games. When there were players over the years who have been delisted or traded who never got the chances that MAckay gets. And some who I saw as better players. Wright, Kerridge, Lyons, Grigg ( Magarey Medal now which dmac could never do), Martin to name a few.

 

[Bazz_27]

Didn’t we do the most ever tackles in a game 2 weeks ago?

In favorable conditions against a team that got more

 

[mistylake]

In favorable conditions against a team that got more

Well yeah there was that.
Hoping for favourable conditions next time I go camping.

 

[John Who]

Why would anyone want to include Hampton?

Because...injuries...and kids aren't that good (yet)..

 

[John Who]

Here's an idea for a potential change: the way Pyke talks to players.
Eddie's quoted as describing Pyke's "spray" to the group after he gave them the (dreaded) Evil Eye at 3/4 time:
"I think he said, "That's not effort, go speak to your line coaches"".
Gotta say, I'm underwhelmed.

There seem to be 3 or 4 kinds of players. It's always going to be difficult to identify groups, but there's:
--- the self-motivated, who don't need a rocket or a gee-up to get going. They give their best at every opportunity.
Think: Laird, Fogarty, Talia, Sloane... etc
--- those that need and respond strongly to praise, which probably includes players from most groups, since +ve reinforcement can be very powerful.
--- the resentful, who dislike being singled out and respond better to a quiet word or a conversation behind closed doors. I'm thinking maybe Sauce is one of these ...? Mackay? Atkins?
I'd say Pyke's style, for want of a better word, suits the above, which might constitute 75-80% of the playing group.
Then there's another type:
--- the ones who for whatever reason/s lose focus and play below their best until the Coach gives them a rocket and tells them to lift their frken game. I'm guessing maybe JJ, Tex, CEY, not sure.
One of Pyke's problems, or duties, is to identify which player is which and act accordingly --- different strokes etc.
I'm worried that Pyke's laid-back, serene, restrained personality might prevent him from giving players or the whole group a blast to get them out of their stupor, as in the so-called "spray", above. Let's face it, our contested ball improved as they eased off, but we lost the last quarter as well.

Pyke's coaching will come into scrutiny over the next few games. That last game was one of those shocking displays that often are what you would regard as "an anomaly" and it doesn't anywhere predict where we'd end up on the AFL ladder by the end of the year. The next 3 rounds will be the key. If we can win all 3, then that last round capitulation would be all forgiven!

 

[Vader]

Because...injuries...and kids aren't that good (yet)..

We still have enough kids who aren't injured... enough that Hampton shouldn't even be making the emergency list - yet some people want him in the 22?

 

[Vader]

I emailed this to fiveaa with a never to return next to mackay which rowey just read out. Saying thats harsh. Maybe I am harsh on mackay. Its because hes being gifted to 200 games. When there were players over the years who have been delisted or traded who never got the chances that MAckay gets. And some who I saw as better players. Wright, Kerridge, Lyons, Grigg ( Magarey Medal now which dmac could never do), Martin to name a few.

These other players didn't get more opportunities because they weren't as good as Mackay. Lyons and (maybe) Wright are the only 2 in that group who are AFL standard. Kerridge, Grigg and Martin weren't even close. Lyons had plenty of opportunities at Adelaide, and was eventually forced out because we had a glut of similar players.

 

[John Who]

We still have enough kids who aren't injured... enough that Hampton shouldn't even be making the emergency list - yet some people want him in the 22?

I think you're downplaying the skillsets of a fully fit Hampton, compared with the skillsets of a 4-5 gamer in Murphy, Gooch and Polhoke (Dots).

 

[1990crow]

I’m kind of in the zero ****s given for this game. Season was pretty much shot to pieces last week. Even if we win here’s our draw:

Freo away. 50/50. Win.
Hawks away. 50/50. Loss.
WC home. 30/70 right now. Loss.
Tigers away. 10/90. Loss.
Cats home. 50/50. Win.
Lions away. 80/20 win. Win.
Melbourne home. 40/60. Loss.
Showdown. 50/50. Win.
GWS away. 40/60. Loss.
North home. 70/30. Win.
Carlton away. Win.

6 wins for 13 in total. Probably enough for 7th/8th.
We need our players back quick to turn the Hawks, Melbourne, GWS games into wins and a top 4 spot.