Preview Changes: Round 11 vs GWS

[MRB37]

Except I'm.sure I heard Daisy Pearce initially say he was off with an adductor issue.

I didn't even hear them mention his name until the 4th quarter when they finally realised he hadn't been on field for the 2nd and 3rd quarters. And I'm sure if Daisy did mention it it would have been speculation that's what he was off for since he had just missed a game with it.

 

[mistylake]

I think we can get to the finals - 5th-8th should be still our pass mark. But getting to top 4 would be a mighty effort.

I’d say if we’re going to finish 5-8th especially if we still have a long injury list, I’d rather we finish 10-12th. We need that good draft pick.

 

[Alwaysacrow]

He did. I’m not buying a single word out of the club at the moment. Pack of liars.

I said to my boss (a Crows fan) on Friday that I would not believe the list Crows have put out until they actually run through the banner. Low and behold I was right.........
Seed scratched in the warm up.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

I didn't even hear them mention his name until the 4th quarter when they finally realised he hadn't been on field for the 2nd and 3rd quarters. And I'm sure if Daisy did mention it it would have been speculation that's what he was off for since he had just missed a game with it.

Yeah, that was piss poor work from Channel 7. How did they not notice Luke Brown had not been on the field since quarter time? Even a quick glance at the TOG stats at half time would have made it obvious as he would have been below 50%.

 

[feenix67]

Yeah, that was piss poor work from Channel 7. How did they not notice Luke Brown had not been on the field since quarter time? Even a quick glance at the TOG stats at half time would have made it obvious as he would have been below 50%.

To be fair, considering the whole team went missing, it's not surprising they didn't notice Brown.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Except I'm.sure I heard Daisy Pearce initially say he was off with an adductor issue.

Daisy Pearce didn't even notice Brown was off until the last quarter!

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

To be fair, considering the whole team went missing, it's not surprising they didn't notice Brown.

I know you're being facetious, but seriously, it's not that hard to figure out if a team is playing 1 short.

 

[feenix67]

Daisy Pearce didn't even notice Brown was off until the last quarter!

Neither did I...

 

[kulak]

I didn't even hear them mention his name until the 4th quarter when they finally realised he hadn't been on field for the 2nd and 3rd quarters. And I'm sure if Daisy did mention it it would have been speculation that's what he was off for since he had just missed a game with it.

I would normally agree.

However, the Riley Knight “managed” lie changed things.

It demonstrated the club does not just lie for competitive advantage such as hiding a rib injury; it lies to avoid looking bad.

Listing Luke Brown as an abductor would make them look bad as it would show they brought him back too soon.

Externally we don’t really know. However the club’s actions this year mean they no longer get any benefit of the doubt.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Neither did I...

You would have known if you were on the boundary & noticed only 3 on our bench!

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

You would have known if you were on the boundary & noticed only 3 on our bench!

It's possible that he was on the bench the whole time as the rooms may not have been easily accessed from the bench during play.

Given the temperature, it's not like he would have put a tracksuit top on, like they normally do when they are done for the game.

Even still, it's not that hard to realise 1 particular player has been on the bench for the whole quarter.

 

[feenix67]

It's possible that he was on the bench the whole time as the rooms may not have been easily accessed from the bench during play.

Given the temperature, it's not like he would have put a tracksuit top on, like they normally do when they are done for the game.

Even still, it's not that hard to realise 1 particular player has been on the bench for the whole quarter.

Here's what makes me suspicious of "concussion". He wouldn't have been just "sitting on the bench", he would have been going through concussion testing, which involves doctors and computer screens.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Here's what makes me suspicious of "concussion". He wouldn't have been just "sitting on the bench", he would have been going through concussion testing, which involves doctors and computer screens.

It's one thing to lie about a strained hamstring vs awareness vs tendonitis vs distal irritation, etc. It's another thing to lie about concussion.

Given the potential major long-term issues with concussion, I'm not sure the Crows would be that dumb that they'd lie about something like that. There is just too much risk of potential blowback to do that.

 

[feenix67]

It's one thing to lie about a strained hamstring vs awareness vs tendonitis vs distal irritation, etc. It's another thing to lie about concussion.

Given the potential major long-term issues with concussion, I'm not sure the Crows would be that dumb that they'd lie about something like that. There is just too much risk of potential blowback to do that.

Maybe it's nothing, a strange coincidence. Maybe he's got a little of column a and a little of column b. Who knows?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

 

[Crow till I die]

Love your upbeat optimism, made me smile.
I used to think like that, too, until I look real hard at how we play when faced with an opposition that comes hard at us from the get-go, like Collingwood and Melbourne this year, and Richmond in the GF.
Sunday's effort was just abysmal. Terrible, apart from the blokes who play their guts out every week (Laird, Talia, MCrouch, Greenwood all of whose attack on the ball or some poor bloke who has the ball is inspirational).
Cases in point:
Mackay is a fave whipping boy in here, the weaker, skinny chicken that everybody pecks, but I'm really starting to think he deserves it. His game against the Bulldogs showed run, anticipation, effort, willingness to tackle even if his kicking was not great. Then he turns in a horror-stinker like Sunday.
His best is middle-range in the team. His worst makes him a liability. Atkins is just as inconsistent and depressing.
Sauce has been a great player for us, but everything about him --- body language, non-marking, non-goaling, taps/palming to who-knows-where --- says he's either in sharp decline, or totally cooked. Burnt out. At the very best he needs a rest; at worst, to be replaced by ROB who'll take more marks around the ground and tap better to our mids, and not theirs.

I am hearing you and your points about Jacobs are on point. Last year he had almost a renaissance year and was dominant but it looks like he has hit the wall and it really is time for a change there - the only problem is, how decent is ROB? as we have not seen him for a few seasons at this level. I think it a important point to remember though if we had not had the horror injury run we have had, we would have won at least 2 of the 4 games we have dropped and be sitting level with Richmond in 2nd / 3rd spot (we would have easily accounted for port and not lost to the bombers. who knows how we would have gone v collingwood either). We are a team at the moment that is having its depth severely tested and as I noted previously, if we can get over the line this week and at minimum get a split with the hawks / freo games going to the bye, it will put us at either 9-4 or 8-5 and with all that we have had to put up with, it is not a bad return and puts finals still firmly in the picture with players to come back. I am certainly not glossing over the bad games such as the weekend, but I am prepared to give the benefit of the doubt until it becomes the norm rather than an outlier

 

[hey shorty]

Here's what makes me suspicious of "concussion". He wouldn't have been just "sitting on the bench", he would have been going through concussion testing, which involves doctors and computer screens.

He got hit in the first quarter, went into the rooms for the test at qtr time and failed.

People are getting a bit cynical now, and not without reason I suppose, but why would we say concussion when it's an adductor.

 

[Crow till I die]

Daisy Pearce didn't even notice Brown was off until the last quarter!

I didn't notice daisy pearce at all really

 

[CrowBloke]

Could copy paste for the North game

With respect, that was an aberration compared to the others.
No doubt the Scott brothers put their heads together and shared a few secrets/plans. Sloane was tagged heavily; got no help from teammates, not even later when it became s.o.p. against us.
NM clearly had a plan for the conditions and that ground, giving rise to the so-called blueprint to beat us.
The Crows fell into their traps by playing the dumbest wet-weather, near-gale football I've seen. Looked like they went down there expecting to play their beautiful run-spread-overlap footy and expecting to win. That latter expectation is a big part of the 5-10% intensity drop-off that teams can have to lose.
NM and the conditions had other plans. Outnumbered in attack, the Crows had nobody behind the pack for the ball that carried off hands. Nobody at the front of the pack to crumb the ball that dropped into the wind.
The ultimate farce was the kicking out after a point to that Eastern, wind-affected side, most of which either fell short into NM arms or went OOTF (In the second quarter, NM kicked out to the W side, protected by the grandstand and ran the ball along that wing). After 10.4 to zip, we lost by 'only' 59 points, still awful but not as bad as Sunday.
Still, the quotes from Redleg Crow are apt .

 

[GreyCrow]

And this is where the club is. Damned if it does and damned if they dont

I talked a few weeks ago how once you start getting mocked you lose the messaging. These last posts have shown this quite openly.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Footage of Brown's head knock would clear things up quick smart

Bags not being the one to go back and watch the first quarter

 

[CrowBloke]

Problem is after the bye we have:
Eagles (1st), Richmond (2nd), Cats (6th), Brisbane, Melbourne (3rd), Port (9th), GWS (11th), North (5th), Carlton.

I'm a fan of optimism.
Optimistically, we'll have most of our injured best players back and playing then. We'll fight back and regain something like our 2017 form ie the winning form, not Round 7/8 form.
Realistically, it'll be against battle-hardened teams/players who'll love kicking us while we're down ==> Top 2 is gone, Top 3-4 almost gone, and Top 8 most likely, from which we'll fade and look to 2019.
I hope I'm wrong, but Pyke's refusal to make hard, tough-love decisions when senior players play shithouse is hard to fathom.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Footage of Brown's head knock would clear things up quick smart

Bags not being the one to go back and watch the first quarter

Unfortunately I an unable to do so either as I deleted the game from my PVR ASAP after the game was finished.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

Surely Murphy is in this week. Wouldn’t mind seeing how Wilson goes too.

 

[CrowBloke]

1) Which clubs are underperforming? Adelaide, GWS, Bulldogs? Guess what they have in common?
2) If we get back most of the missing players our performance will lift, if things remain the way they are, we will not make the Eight.
3) It aint rocket science mate.

1) yes, all teams with injuries which any team can cop, anytime.
2) phrase in bold is an assumption yet to be proven. Those players might be not-injured any more, but they will not be match-fit. They won't be performing to best capacity until they've played 4-6 games. Still, we'll only need 7 out of the last 13 games to make the 8, which is more likely than not.
3) It was a really good post until this last sentence. Did you have to ice the cake with sarcasm?
You're right, it's not "rocket science", it's footy, but your point in 2) is not a certainty.