Strategy Changes: Round 18 Freo vs Hawks

[chaosball32]

Erasmus is averaging just 57% TOG for the whole year. A little over half a game.

Can we either commit to giving him a full game (75-80% TOG which is what Johnson and O’Driscoll average) or send him back to the WAFL because I don’t see the point in a fit 21 year old needing to be managed like this. Just a waste of rotations and if they don’t trust him to impact at the level over a full game then why is he in the team?

 

[go_the_dockers]

Erasmus is averaging just 57% TOG for the whole year. A little over half a game.

Can we either commit to giving him a full game (75-80% TOG which is what Johnson and O’Driscoll average) or send him back to the WAFL because I don’t see the point in a fit 21 year old needing to be managed like this. Just a waste of rotations and if they don’t trust him to impact at the level over a full game then why is he in the team?

If you ignore the two games he was the sub, I think it is closer to 62 or 63 percent.

I was surprised that he only played 59% on the weekend. Not sure why he was so low on the weekend - 59%, compared to 72% against St Kilda.

I thought as a junior his tank was a big attribute, so I would be surprised fitness is an issue. What are other people thoughts?

Fitness?
lack of 2nd position?
....

 

[chaosball32]

If you ignore the two games he was the sub, I think it is closer to 62 or 63 percent.

I was surprised that he only played 59% on the weekend. Not sure why he was so low on the weekend - 59%, compared to 72% against St Kilda.

I thought as a junior his tank was a big attribute, so I would be surprised fitness is an issue. What are other people thoughts?

Fitness?
lack of 2nd position?
....

72% was his highest for the year. Most other games he’s in the 60’s.

If they think he’s too one-dimensional and can only play inside mid but don’t trust him enough to give him a full game there then I’m not sure why he’s in the team. We are playing for our season here, he’s either in our best 22 or he’s not.

 

[DeanS]

72% was his highest for the year. Most other games he’s in the 60’s.

If they think he’s too one-dimensional and can only play inside mid but don’t trust him enough to give him a full game there then I’m not sure why he’s in the team. We are playing for our season here, he’s either in our best 22 or he’s not.

I could be cynical and say he keeps getting games so he looks an important part of our team and so pushing up his price at this year's trade period, but far be it from me to be that cynical.

 

[apuchar]

Raz never rose...

We all see players differently. I wouldn't bother trying to convince you otherwise as a lot of what he does goes unnoticed unless you look at a few replays. As i tend to do. But even that doesn't mean i am right. It's just opinion.. from both of us.

 

[apuchar]

At the ground on the weekend, I saw several occasions where Jye was clear of his man on the lead, but the kicker decided to ignore it in favour of going long to an outnumber against us instead.

I was practically screaming at Freddy in Q1 to kick it to him.

Also he’s far from hopeless 1v1.

The rest all valid at times.

He would look better if had Young playing. We let Johnson kick inside 50 far too often, and he is woeful most of the time.

Are we back there again . Maybe the coaches forgot to tell them before the game that we don't want that. Seems the players need to be reminded before every game for it to sink in.

 

[Randomizor]

Switta and Brodie in for whomever makes sense

 

[Dirty_banchez]

Either Amiss or Voss needs to be dropped for Switta.

 

[estibador]

The clearer message to send to Amiss is that his current output isn't good enough, and he needs to earn his spot back.

My concern is the other message it might send to him. At the moment he's doing a mountain of work leading up the field and getting ignored time and time again (people are right that it's staggering to see live how many times he's metres free of his man only for his teammates to not hit him up - he would rack up the touches in a team like Collingwood or Hawthorn who bite off that kick instinctively).

So he does all this selfless running for the team only to be told his reward for sticking to his role is to go back to the WAFL, then what happens when he comes back? Why would you want to be the one doing the sacrificial leads to make space for the other forwards behind you? Why would you want to be the one who blocks Treacy's man so he can run out on the lead? If the only thing being valued is the amount of times you get the ball then everyone is just going to sit back wanting to be the one sitting in the hotspot where we always (infuriatingly) kick it high and long.

For years I said I thought Tabs was a net negative to the team despite kicking goals because he had no concept of working within a system with other forwards and would invariably drag his man to the ball even if it got in everyone else's way. We have much smarter forwards now who are much more capable of working as a cohesive unit and I'd be wary of sending the wrong message to those who are working hard but not getting their 'lick of the icecream' for a period.

 

[Bigger]

My concern is the other message it might send to him. At the moment he's doing a mountain of work leading up the field and getting ignored time and time again (people are right that it's staggering to see live how many times he's metres free of his man only for his teammates to not hit him up - he would rack up the touches in a team like Collingwood or Hawthorn who bite off that kick instinctively).

So he does all this selfless running for the team only to be told his reward for sticking to his role is to go back to the WAFL, then what happens when he comes back? Why would you want to be the one doing the sacrificial leads to make space for the other forwards behind you? Why would you want to be the one who blocks Treacy's man so he can run out on the lead? If the only thing being valued is the amount of times you get the ball then everyone is just going to sit back wanting to be the one sitting in the hotspot where we always (infuriatingly) kick it high and long.

For years I said I thought Tabs was a net negative to the team despite kicking goals because he had no concept of working within a system with other forwards and would invariably drag his man to the ball even if it got in everyone else's way. We have much smarter forwards now who are much more capable of working as a cohesive unit and I'd be wary of sending the wrong message to those who are working hard but not getting their 'lick of the icecream' for a period.

Good points, extremely well made.

 

[FreoRicci]

Either Amiss or Voss needs to be dropped for Switta.

Don’t think this is the game for it.

Sicily Barass and Battle. Probably the best game all season to do the 3.

 

[CakeEater]

Yes however I'd rather have a ball winner and a ball user. JOM is better than Erasmus for starters in that dept.

But they are both as slow as treacle.

So give me the younger bloke.

 

[malpaso]

But they are both as slow as treacle.

So give me the younger bloke.

What for? Age is a skill now?

 

[malpaso]

Either Amiss or Voss needs to be dropped for Switta.

Lol, I'd pay for two tickets to see Voss lined up on Sicily

 

[Cesoir]

What for? Age is a skill now?

If it is then I am a bloody wizard!

 

[Perfect Purple]

It’s pretty obvious Amiss has the ability. You don’t just fluke two years of 35+ goals in your first two seasons. I think it’s a mental/confidence thing more than anything.

I have seen Jye make numerous leads with separation from his opponent only to be repeatedly ignored. That doesn’t exactly instil confidence if his teammates choose a pack over him.

He is getting the ball so infrequently that when he does he’s a nervous wreck taking his shot.

Some of the best deliveries to our forwards have come from Haydn Young and the quicker he returns the better things will be for our goal kickers, including Jye.

 

[CakeEater]

What for? Age is a skill now?

Yes.

I think Erasmus= JOM and has the potential by the end of year for it to be Erasmus> JOM.

 

[malpaso]

Yes.

I think Erasmus= JOM and has the potential by the end of year for it to be Erasmus> JOM.

Your dreaming. JOM came on in the 4th quarter and had more impact than Erasmus. Erasmus still has low game time, why? Apparently he's young and full of vim and vigour?

 

[dominguez]

I remember people on here defending Sheridan's place in the team in 2015. He would make bad decisions and skill errors, but because he could run like bloody Forrest Gump posters defended his place in the team. Then the PF happened.

Finals are won by those that can handle big moments and this team just can't do it. Shai and Jackson need to be the guys in the team because the rest of the team have no idea what it takes to flag.

I think the Sutcliffe/Sheridan level is the ceiling for Erasmus and probably Johnson.

They're both lucky that Fyfe, JOM, Young and O'Driscoll have missed a lot of footy this year.

 

[Rhufus]

I have seen Jye make numerous leads with separation from his opponent only to be repeatedly ignored. That doesn’t exactly instil confidence if his teammates choose a pack over him.

He is getting the ball so infrequently that when he does he’s a nervous wreck taking his shot.

Some of the best deliveries to our forwards have come from Haydn Young and the quicker he returns the better things will be for our goal kickers, including Jye.

Agreed and thats another reason we should try Freddy and or Clark on the wing and maybe try Murphy in the centre, albeit on limited minutes, he is sublime in his delivery, at least until Young comes back.

 

[malpaso]

I have seen Jye make numerous leads with separation from his opponent only to be repeatedly ignored. That doesn’t exactly instil confidence if his teammates choose a pack over him.

He is getting the ball so infrequently that when he does he’s a nervous wreck taking his shot.

Some of the best deliveries to our forwards have come from Haydn Young and the quicker he returns the better things will be for our goal kickers, including Jye.

A lot of our players don't have the cohunas and/or skill to kick it to him. Let's face it when they do it's either too high or in the dirt or to the defender's advantage..

 

[332docker]

switta and Brodie In

Voss and Ras out

Sub: Not sure who goes sub but JOM should play a role

Midfield needs some more size and Fwdline is too tall with 3 talls and 2 rucks - sorry vossy but your last man in

 

[dominguez]

Not so much as what he did wrong, but where we need to get to.

Cant have too many slow guys in vs Hawks, therefore sadly JOM misses out.

20mm of rain coming Saturday, it's going to be a grind. JOM in the 22 IMO.

 

[dominguez]

I could be cynical and say he keeps getting games so he looks an important part of our team and so pushing up his price at this year's trade period, but far be it from me to be that cynical.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if we get a top 40 pick for him. I'd take WC 3rd rounder in a heart beat.

 

[Perfect Purple]

If he’s passes the test Switta in and Dudley out. Sam may even be the sub.

Pretty sure JOM will play. He made a difference against Swans.