Prediction Changes: Round 18 Vs Bulldogs + pre-match discussion

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masai

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Yeah, his kicking is a little off atm but he still moves in that beautiful Stephen Hill Way, sidestepping, bouncing and leaping like a gazelle through congestion, and I've actually been surprised with some of his defensive efforts, getting spoils in and pumping for a ground ball. I remember I think 2018 when we played Richmond at the G and he was in the backline, he got spanked on the lead so the fact that he's now a proficient defender shows he's still improving. At the start of this season I thought it'd be his last but he could easily have a couple of golden years to see out his career.
A good off season will freshen Hill’s body. His experience is a valuable asset.

His role in the team has changed, a lot of us are expecting to see the long runs along the wing with a bounce or two, then a spearing 50 metre kick. Times have changed and his role is to provide a “wise head” in the backline.
 

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I don’t consider myself the sentimental type, if a player looks cooked you let him go. If Stephen Hill put up another performance alas Carlton game I would say drop him out of our best 22 but he’s progressing well. He took the game on and botched a few disposals against North but it was his best game for us this year. He’s slowly getting the Ross Lyon weened out of him.
 

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I agree Hill's current predicament is not his fault and he has perfectly valid excuses for not being able to perform consistently. But success in literally anything requires a bit of pragmatism. Life isn't fair and we should definitely look after Hill post footy because yeah we screwed him, but the only questions that are ever relevant when picking a best 22 is 1. What do they provide for the team now and 2. What may they provide down the line when we're competing. I'll only be onboard personally if Hill satisfies either of these premises but we don't have to agree it's all good. I do love Hill and it would make me happy to be proved wrong.
I think we enter 2021 with the clear expectation that we play finals. In that context players like Hill are incredibly valuable.
 

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It is a short completely not-normal season where we are finishing strongly, lets finish the season on a significant high by having three wins in a row - no changes unless there are some injury concerns. If Mundy or Hill are thinking about pulling the plug, then we have also given the them the best chance of finishing on a relative high as well.
 

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Re Stephen Hill. I think he has another year in him. If things aren’t going well, he has the option of hanging up his boots at any time during the season.
One thing that did peeve me yesterday was watching him steam through the middle at full tilt, get to 55, then kick to the ‘hot spot’. Stephen Hill of old would have roosted the ball straight through the middle. He should have backed himself imo.
 

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We wont be playing finals but this may as well be treated as one if i was Freo anyway with it being the last game in preparation for next year. As most likely the dogs will have to beat us to get in and it will have the elimination final type feeling anyway.
 

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Maybe it's the effects of our S & C team that needs to be weaned out of him.

I just rewatched this game recently, forgot how awesome Michael Barlow was with 3 goals and why was Lachie Neale relegated to emergency sub after this game?
 

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I just rewatched this game recently, forgot how awesome Michael Barlow was with 3 goals and why was Lachie Neale relegated to emergency sub after this game?
Barlow will go down as one of my favourite Dockers ever. Love him to death.

Neale being a sub I think every man and his dog (including Ross Lyon) know was a mistake to have as a sub.

From memory it was team balance?
 

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Barlow will go down as one of my favourite Dockers ever. Love him to death.

Neale being a sub I think every man and his dog (including Ross Lyon) know was a mistake to have as a sub.

From memory it was team balance?
Yeah, Lyon admitted he made a mistake in that Triple M interview he did recently. He said he started Matt de Boer instead because he was a senior player, which ironically reinforces those negative views around him regarding his inflexibility with team selections and playing youth on merit.

He didn't pick the team with the best chance of winning the Grand Final, he picked the team on rank.
 

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Yeah, Lyon admitted he made a mistake in that Triple M interview he did recently. He said he started Matt de Boer instead because he was a senior player, which ironically reinforces those negative views around him regarding his inflexibility with team selections and playing youth on merit.

He didn't pick the team with the best chance of winning the Grand Final, he picked the team on rank.
De Boer was fine. At the time it wasn’t on rank. But balance. The team we had was good enough. Neale shouldn’t have be sub. Someone like Sutcliffe should’ve. Clarke was needed due to height, he had a mare though.
Neale was a two year player at the time. But he did played really well during the finals series though. Always an if, given how great he is now
 

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I’ve often wondered if maybe, for even a millisecond, the whole ball had actually crossed the line before he grabbed it... no clear angle to see it exactly. I believe, however, that destiny prevailed on the day either way. 😍
 

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Always amusing to see how those who wanted Hogan in, are using more or less the same arguments to explain why they want Hill dropped.
I don't get why we would be dropping him?

We have been desperate to see him string some footy together for 3 years, now he finally is we are calling for his head? I actually thought he played well on the weekend.
He has clearly lost a step of pace which i don't think the rest of his game has caught up with yet but hes going to be extremely valuable next year if he can stay fit.
And not to mention his defensive efforts have been low key underrated since he returned.
 

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I don't get why we would be dropping him?

We have been desperate to see him string some footy together for 3 years, now he finally is we are calling for his head? I actually thought he played well on the weekend.
He has clearly lost a step of pace which i don't think the rest of his game has caught up with yet but hes going to be extremely valuable next year if he can stay fit.
And not to mention his defensive efforts have been low key underrated since he returned.
his name is ben the donkey for a reason lmao
 

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Always amusing to see how those who wanted Hogan in, are using more or less the same arguments to explain why they want Hill dropped.
We are talking about a 25yo who has shown he can transform an area of our game we have the biggest weakness in versus a 30yo who is a playing a role in which we have a fair bit of depth available.

Hogan could be a key part of a future premiership. Will Hill still be around? I'm happy we've given Hill a chance to build and thought he was really good defensively on the weekend. I get why people are questioning why we might give a youngster a chance instead though.
 

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I'm on the fence with Hill. Massive fan of his best and he is not that old but he's played a a fair few games and still looks miles off his old self.

Pending lists not getting cut to ridiculous sizes I think he should stay, but I don't think he can be an automatic selection anymore until he shows he is still a quality player. Hopefully gets a full preseason as that would make a big difference I suspect.
 

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Always amusing to see how those who wanted Hogan in, are using more or less the same arguments to explain why they want Hill dropped.
With Hill it's a debate of experience and leadership or the development of a younger player. I've taken the less popular position because I think our young players are self driven and confident already that Hill is not really needed. But doesn't actually bother me which choice we make it's apples or oranges but I doubt that if we do actually win a flag on grand final day Hill won't be there, while Hogan could be the difference. Completely different situations.
 

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I think Stephen Hill hasn't had a fit run at the game for a while, now he looks average after playing through nearly 20% of a season in just over 2 weeks.

Now he has an 8 day break, I think we will see him moving freer.
 

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