Preview Changes: Round 23 v West Coast - Walker and Talia OUT
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I'm not suggesting Menzel will have an awesome career, jury is well and truly out on that one. But a) there is no point comparing Cameron's finals record to Menzel's; and b) Cameron is horribly out of form and unlikely to do much good for us in finals this year
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CC well ahead. Has runs on the board. People are quick to forget his first couple of months. Menzel has done nothing to really support my confidence in him, but I just think he tries his guts out now. Just needs to string some high quality games together to get some confidence and think his natural talent will take him the rest of the way.
Smokey for sure, but has some history performing in big games
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I'd love for Cameron to succeed. I want to see him tear it up as he's shown us that he can. I want him to burst through the middle after a couple of bounces then nail a leading forward on the chest and kick a bunch of goals, even 2/game --- but he doesn't and he hasn't, not for several weeks now.
To compound things, his accuracy from set shots is the worst in the team @ 42% and kicked 1 goal in the last 4 games. That makes him a liability, not an asset. Better hope that if we have to win a final from the last kick, of all our forwards Cameron is not the one taking the shot.
In high intensity finals, I'd like to see our blokes kicking goals from 25-35 metres out. Cameron hasn't, lately, and that is poor form.
I'm genuinely curious --- why/how will he "be fine"? Whom should we worry more about? On present form, and I've quoted Pyke in a previous post as saying that he picks his best side on form, who would you drop before Cameron, and why? I want to add that I'm not trying to be smart or provocative. I'd really like to know.
Atkins had a poor game last week in that he delivered poorly, burned the ball, but was really good before that. Even Mackay has lifted his game in the last 4-5 weeks.
Cameron has been seven shades of shite in recent months. Coasting on a gold pass. A lot of faith shown. Will need to repay it or should make way before he's a liability when it counts.
Does seem like he's checked out
Does seem like he's checked out
Apparently he has a badly swollen foot, but i saw him in dressing room before, and it didn't look like a foot to me, it looked closer to eight or nine inches
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Yeah, was thinking same.
The problem allied to that is the effect/s his goal-kicking yips might have on his teammates
--- in terms of morale ie it takes a fair bit of work to set Cameron up for a shot 25-35m out and can be deflating when he misses (but true of all such missed goals, not just Cameron) and also
--- might affect decision-making ie whether to kick to CC 35m out, or say Jenkins 45-50m out?
The stand-out poor form of one player must affect those around him.
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I was thinking about this, too:
We've all seen what Cameron is capable of, but he has not produced it in his last 4 games. How many such games can he be carried for in the hope that he plays a blinder? That was true of Mackay back in May/June too, when many were calling for him to be dropped for similar reasons.
Maybe all the speculation, true or not, about CC going back to Qld has got to him and affected his on-field performances ...?
Whatever it is, the Cameron of those "first couple of months" hasn't been seen for a while ... and I repeat I'd love to see him turn it on again, hopefully tomorrow!
Yes, well ahead of Menzel and Milera one would think, but you're talking about form that is more than 2 months old.
We've all seen what Cameron is capable of, but he has not produced it in his last 4 games. How many such games can he be carried for in the hope that he plays a blinder? That was true of Mackay back in May/June too, when many were calling for him to be dropped for similar reasons.
Maybe all the speculation, true or not, about CC going back to Qld has got to him and affected his on-field performances ...?
Whatever it is, the Cameron of those "first couple of months" hasn't been seen for a while ... and I repeat I'd love to see him turn it on again, hopefully tomorrow!
All Cameron needs to do is turn those near-misses into goals. He also kicked a poster last weekend, so hopefully a turnaround isn't too far away. His defensive and tackling pressure is still first rate. This weekend should determine whether he stays for the Finals or makes way for the other incomers.I was thinking about this, too:
Yes, well ahead of Menzel and Milera one would think, but you're talking about form that is more than 2 months old.
We've all seen what Cameron is capable of, but he has not produced it in his last 4 games. How many such games can he be carried for in the hope that he plays a blinder? That was true of Mackay back in May/June too, when many were calling for him to be dropped for similar reasons.
Maybe all the speculation, true or not, about CC going back to Qld has got to him and affected his on-field performances ...?
Whatever it is, the Cameron of those "first couple of months" hasn't been seen for a while ... and I repeat I'd love to see him turn it on again, hopefully tomorrow!
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CC well ahead. Has runs on the board. People are quick to forget his first couple of months. Menzel has done nothing to really support my confidence in him, but I just think he tries his guts out now. Just needs to string some high quality games together to get some confidence and think his natural talent will take him the rest of the way.
CC does have credits by he has clearly used them up
Can't be carrying a player that has been out of form for some time into finals
If he doesn't put it on the park today he should be dropped
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I agree with you on form but reject that the reason is because of the draft pick from c
we should have dropped him 4 games ago so he could find some touch . His X factor is really valuable when he's on but lately it's been missing.
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I'd at least give him until tomorrow.
Short memory, you should have been shitting bricks on him to kick it back then too.
The most interesting thing about this game won't be the result, but how we react to the result. We've deliberately rested 3 key players with basically nothing on the line, and West Coast have a lot to play for.
If we lose, just keep in mind that Sydney lost their last two games in 2012 and went on to win the flag. Our planning and management is clearly on the Qualifying Final, as it should be.
If we lose, just keep in mind that Sydney lost their last two games in 2012 and went on to win the flag. Our planning and management is clearly on the Qualifying Final, as it should be.
Lots of run added to the side Milera, Seedsman, Rat, Cameron, Rat and DMac all fighting it out to play in the Aualifing final
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I feel the inclusion of two wingers when Rat, Charles and DMack are our 3 most talked about under-performers means this is really an audition game, and may decide who plays finals.
I just realized this is exactly what you just said.
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He re-tweaked it at training.
That's a bummer then! Still, this week off + bye round + moonboot = recovered, mongrel Tex! (hopefully)
Good timing to rest our 2 most important players in Tex and Talia.
You do realise Cameron is actually older than Menzel right?
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also, Rat was added
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