Preview Changes: Round 3 v Essendon

[knackers29]

The real issue with the dropped mark was that when he dropped it he let it fall out the back. If you're going to attempt to mark you at least need to bring it down in front of you.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

The worst part about May dropping the mark is having to endure this discussion.

 

[Andy_Mac]

I empathise with you looking at the performance of our list and coming to the conclusion that it is no good. But if you look at the 22 we put out on the weekend almost every player has played BOG level footy and looked like a solid player in their careers, yet we still can't get the team to click.

You mentioned accepting mediocrity and I think our coaches are the biggest example of that, which in turn filters through the players. Clarkson has no problem calling his team they are fourth rate and Roos would shit on our team when we played badly. The coaches have to take ownership of the players performance but usually you can tell when the team plays differently to the directions with most coaches. The biggest bake Goodwin has given the team is saying we "didn't live up to our brand" and "weren't strong at the contest".

You would think we would start to see some anger or resentment if the coaches were giving clear directions that the players weren't following over and over again. I think the coaches accept mediocrity because their tactical nous and coaching ability is mediocre.

Well said.

The list in its own right is pretty bloody good and I actually think Goody is a good leader, just completely incapable of developing a game plan.

At the beginning of last year we were touted to be the biggest winner from the new 6,6,6 rule change given Gawn and our contested ball winning ability. The reality was we relied on putting +1 and sometimes +2 behind the ball to generate the width in the contest. It worked brilliantly in 2017 and 18 but exposed us in 19. Our inability to adapt our game plan last year was for all to see.

Whilst this year is still young and regardless of the method we’re 1 & 1 which when you look at the draw is what I expected. The next 3 weeks tells the story on where we are at. If Gawn can dominate his opponents we’ll win a lot more than we loose...

 

[Proper Gander]

That's revisitionist, either he made the wrong decision or not. Execution is different but it's not his fault that no one protected the ground ball.

If you never want a backline player to mark so be it but your backline is more dominant when it marks it. So long as it's only one of them at a time

He made the wrong decision. It’s not his first offence. We’re not the dream team by any stretch - we are ****ing dreadful really. But he should not play again. He doesn’t have it.

 

[djpaulydemon]

Well said.

The list in its own right is pretty bloody good and I actually think Goody is a good leader, just completely incapable of developing a game plan.

At the beginning of last year we were touted to be the biggest winner from the new 6,6,6 rule change given Gawn and our contested ball winning ability. The reality was we relied on putting +1 and sometimes +2 behind the ball to generate the width in the contest. It worked brilliantly in 2017 and 18 but exposed us in 19. Our inability to adapt our game plan last year was for all to see.

Whilst this year is still young and regardless of the method we’re 1 & 1 which when you look at the draw is what I expected. The next 3 weeks tells the story on where we are at. If Gawn can dominate his opponents we’ll win a lot more than we loose...

Definitely agree with basically everything you said, although i think Goody needs to mature as a leader and hold the group to higher standards. Part of that is external critisism and realising the clubs list and rebuild narrative has shifted from optimism in youth and finding positives in debut players to demanding consisent effort.

 

[Bluelegs]

Well said.

The list in its own right is pretty bloody good and I actually think Goody is a good leader, just completely incapable of developing a game plan.

At the beginning of last year we were touted to be the biggest winner from the new 6,6,6 rule change given Gawn and our contested ball winning ability. The reality was we relied on putting +1 and sometimes +2 behind the ball to generate the width in the contest. It worked brilliantly in 2017 and 18 but exposed us in 19. Our inability to adapt our game plan last year was for all to see.

Whilst this year is still young and regardless of the method we’re 1 & 1 which when you look at the draw is what I expected. The next 3 weeks tells the story on where we are at. If Gawn can dominate his opponents we’ll win a lot more than we loose...

Richmond's move to sack all of the assistant coaches and keep Hardwick a few years back was genius and something I hope the club really considers if we can afford it. The coach doesn't need to be a tactical genius, they just need to be able to communicate with and build strong relationships with the playing group and listen to those with better ideas than them.

 

[HANDSOLO]

Richmond's move to sack all of the assistant coaches and keep Hardwick a few years back was genius and something I hope the club really considers if we can afford it. The coach doesn't need to be a tactical genius, they just need to be able to communicate with and build strong relationships with the playing group and listen to those with better ideas than them.

Yeah except Goody hasn't shown he can do that but - communicate, build strong relationships. if he blame is 50/50 ot 60/40 coach players for the poor in game performance, quite a bit of blame still rests on Goody for not helping get the players to a point where they can lead / follow a game plan.

 

[Swerving Irv]

Judging from the thread, your backline seems to be in all sorts. Ours is quite settled on the other hand, but I'd like us to play Hooker forward in conjunction with McKernan, Stringer, Tippa, Smith and (hopefully) Fantasia. Your mids could quite probably control the contest but struggle to score. We still seem to have an over-reliance on individual brilliance rather than an effective forward system though which is concerning.

 

[Bluelegs]

Yeah except Goody hasn't shown he can do that but - communicate, build strong relationships. if he blame is 50/50 ot 60/40 coach players for the poor in game performance, quite a bit of blame still rests on Goody for not helping get the players to a point where they can lead / follow a game plan.

Bennell said Goodwin is like a father to him.

 

[Jamurp]

I have no doubt that the players love Goody, whether he’s an effective coach is the concern. But I’m hoping it’s like a Hardwick situation, and perhaps we need a change in terms of the coaches around him for us to become a really good side.

Goody is clearly a weird bloke, but for some reason I like him and hope he can find some success with us.

 

[Demon bhoy]

I have no doubt that the players love Goody, whether he’s an effective coach is the concern. But I’m hoping it’s like a Hardwick situation, and perhaps we need a change in terms of the coaches around him for us to become a really good side.

Goody is clearly a weird bloke, but for some reason I like him and hope he can find some success with us.

The touchy-feely stuff is all good and well but he is into his 6th year at the club and we are nearly 2 years removed from the last good on field performance, club has won 6 of the last 25 and are lucky to have won that many. Totally out coached again on the weekend and team is still completely devoid of ideas.

 

[Topkent]

The touchy-feely stuff is all good and well but he is into his 6th year at the club and we are nearly 2 years removed from the last good on field performance, club has won 6 of the last 25 and are lucky to have won that many. Totally out coached again on the weekend and team is still completely devoid of ideas.

Seems like they love the bloke but dont respect him. Way too many ego's massaged for bloody average performance.

I think it's Bailey esque, they can turn it on like any team in the comp but when it comes to fighting and grinding they down tools. Carlton's game was way more impressive than ours, they fought back after being dead and scrapped all the way to almost winning. We capitalized on their shitness then struggled as soon as it wasn't 'our' game.

 

[Andy_Mac]

Definitely agree with basically everything you said, although i think Goody needs to mature as a leader and hold the group to higher standards. Part of that is external critisism and realising the clubs list and rebuild narrative has shifted from optimism in youth and finding positives in debut players to demanding consisent effort.

Publicly or privately? I don’t personally believe in publicly chastising staff/players.

Having met the man I’m sure in a one on one context he would be very direct and forthright in his feedback. Think about the training camp fiasco, he was viewed as to militant at that point and lacked empathy.

When did we loose McCartney and get Richo. I don’t rate Richo at all.

 

[Topkent]

Publicly or privately? I don’t personally believe in publicly chastising staff/players.

Having met the man I’m sure in a one on one context he would be very direct and forthright in his feedback. Think about the training camp fiasco, he was viewed as to militant at that point and lacked empathy.

When did we loose McCartney and get Richo. I don’t rate Richo at all.

Richo extracted more out of what he had than goody ever has.
You definitely should publically chastise players, you don't have to do it individually but how can you expect supporters to care when you don't vary in your public appraisal no matter what the result

 

[Demon bhoy]

Seems like they love the bloke but dont respect him. Way too many ego's massaged for bloody average performance.

I think it's Bailey esque, they can turn it on like any team in the comp but when it comes to fighting and grinding they down tools. Carlton's game was way more impressive than ours, they fought back after being dead and scrapped all the way to almost winning. We capitalized on their shitness then struggled as soon as it wasn't 'our' game.

100%, This club doesn’t need any more cuddles it needs a ****ing reality check starting with Goodwin, unfortunately I don’t see anyone internally willing or able to give it.

Id much prefer Goodwin was a great coach than a good bloke, players will follow leaders and I just don’t see that from him, I can’t remember Clarkson being described as good bloke very often and it doesn’t appear he gives a shit either, give me that 10 out of 10 times.

 

[schmuttt]

I genuinely think since the camp fiasco he is scared to go at the players and have them turn on him. The reports were he was furious the players vetoed the camp with the AFLPA and since then he is buddy buddy with all the players but don't think he ever criticizes them much. People say the song thing was an overreaction, I mean **** you'd never see that happen at Geelong or Hawthorn or Richmond or Sydney.

 

[Islanda22]

I can't see many changes

Kozzy will come in doubt, possibly ANB out

Smith, Jones, Hunt, Melksham and Jackson will live to fight another day just because of the fact we got the W

As soon as Vanders is ready I'd hope he takes either Jones or Hunt spot

If Smith doesn't improve in a few weeks then he needs to be dropped. Maybe give Hore another crack.

Wouldn't mind seeing how Weids will go also after a decent game in the 2's.

Round 3 v Essendon:

B - Jetta, May, Smith (Hore)
HB - Salem, Lever, Harmes
C - Langdon, Viney, Tomlinson
HF - Brayshaw, Jackson (Weideman), Melksham
F - Pickett, T McDonald, Fritsch
Rucks - Gawn, Oliver, Petracca
Int - Hunt, Jones, Rivers, Bennell

 

[knackers29]

Bennell said Goodwin is like a father to him.

There's plenty of Dad's that can't formulate a game plan though

 

[stEdy]

How long until we're playing with both Wagners in the team again?

 

[Sylvia Saint]

How long until we're playing with both Wagners in the team again?

I read that Corey was the 'carry over' emergency for the Carlton game so.....

 

[stEdy]

I read that Corey was the 'carry over' emergency for the Carlton game so.....

 

[Dory_77]

I read that Corey was the 'carry over' emergency for the Carlton game so.....

Dear God no!

On the chastising players, it's very contextual but can and sometimes should be done, albeit in a careful way. The media will latch onto anything seen as tension, especially for us, which could make things worse. That said, after the slop they put up on Saturday calling it what it is would be fair. A bit of a gentle bake now and then, even after a win, can be good for motivation. Going full Neeld isn't.
I remember Clarkson calling us rubbish after our win over Hawthorn last year. He wasn't wrong and acknowledging we played ordinary and need to be better would've been better from Goody than his, 'great learnings... Finding our brand' bullshit.

 

[djpaulydemon]

I can't see many changes

Kozzy will come in doubt, possibly ANB out

Smith, Jones, Hunt, Melksham and Jackson will live to fight another day just because of the fact we got the W

As soon as Vanders is ready I'd hope he takes either Jones or Hunt spot

If Smith doesn't improve in a few weeks then he needs to be dropped. Maybe give Hore another crack.

Wouldn't mind seeing how Weids will go also after a decent game in the 2's.

Round 3 v Essendon:

B - Jetta, May, Smith (Hore)
HB - Salem, Lever, Harmes
C - Langdon, Viney, Tomlinson
HF - Brayshaw, Jackson (Weideman), Melksham
F - Pickett, T McDonald, Fritsch
Rucks - Gawn, Oliver, Petracca
Int - Hunt, Jones, Rivers, Bennell

Hore is out for another 5-7 otherwise i reckon he would have already replaced Smith

 

[Crusty Demon]

Hore is out for another 5-7 otherwise i reckon he would have already replaced Smith

Smith should be playing forward if he's in the side. He hasn't shown much as a defender at all. Looked ok last season down forward in his brief stint until his injury. And god knows we need to find some goal kickers.

 

[TheBoss]

If Tmac is gonna remain as a KPF then give him a spell in the reserves until he finds form.

He hasn't had a good game since 2018.