Strategy Changes: Round 4 Fremantle vs. Western Bulldogs

[freo84]

Would be a death wish. No way we can play all of Darcy, Jackson, Voss, Treacy and Amiss in the same side.

Of course we could. Like in warfare, whomever controls the air, controls everything.

would need to play a complimentary gameplan but it could work.

 

[theGav56]

Worner, Sharp, Frederick, Banfield, Wagner.

He's in that bracket, but difficult to say Erasmus is better. And wouldn't play the same position as most of them.

I'd go with he's potentially better than Banfield.

 

[stax on the mull]

Edit just wanted to add the same people crying about Erasmus would 100% be the same people that were crying about Reidy not getting a game last season because he got a few hit outs in the WAFL

Without criticising your opinion, I would like a few people to put their hand up here and acknowledge that they're part of this 100% of opinion on both topics.

A venn diagram would have to look like one circle being a total eclipse of the other whereas it's probably more likely that they barely intersect.

Even accounting for groupthink it's hard to find someone who completely agrees with your point of view on more than one subject.

 

[The Lobbster]

He is one of JLs favourites, ofc he would give him votes

Or maybe the coaches thought he played well. Not everything is a conspiracy

He also got five votes not three so makes this less likely. Unfortunately my memory sucks hence the mistake

 

[Hamann188]

Changed my tip for Sunday. Dogs will have us.

Worner and Banfield over Erasmus.

What a joke.

 

[Hamann188]

This board melting over Erasmus is so funny to me.

Bloke has been dead set average, and with Jaeger back in the team he's pushed forward again, where he is even more average.

It's like people don't actually watch football and just check stat sheets.

Edit just wanted to add the same people crying about Erasmus would 100% be the same people that were crying about Reidy not getting a game last season because he got a few hit outs in the WAFL

I was crying over Reidy not getting selected last season.

But only because Taberner was getting selected ahead of him.

Are you seriously going to infer Worner and Banfield are better selection choices than Erasmus?

 

[s_wd6]

Changed my tip for Sunday. Dogs will have us.

Worner and Banfield over Erasmus.

What a joke.

If Worner/Banfield over Erasmus is enough to sway results then we weren’t a serious team in the first place.

 

[FreoMatt]

So we have a 31 year old tagging.
Is that what this team is about.

It just doesn’t fill me with optimism. I just hope it’s JOM getting dropped for Young and this team can move forward.
Brodie and Erasmus with Young for Peel excites me more then seeing JOM Serong Brayshaw.

Said for nearly 3 years now that getting JOM has changed the trajectory of players.
Brodie, Erasmus, Aish too.
A completely unnecessary player, at the twilight of his career, retiring back in WA starting a family. That’s for a rebuilding team or a team needing veterans like North Melbourne.

Each to their own, pessimistic view I guess. He’s done stellar in two losses, guess he deserves a spot

You clearly didn’t like us recruiting JOM, and no matter what you won’t let go. The problem is after a good preseason JOM is playing his best footy for a few years and based on performance alone he is currently way ahead of Erasmus.


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[FreoMatt]

JOM and Wagner are straight backs ins for me, but I would rather Ras be given another chance over Worner and Banfield


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[E Shed]

I think Neil is destined for the scrap heap. I like his hustle but his lack of footy IQ, awareness and poor disposal seems to have consigned him to the break glass in case of emergency pile.

I thought Banfield played quite well last week. His composure is good and he can be quite creative in transition. He needs to play further up the ground as he did last week. Having Reid and now Dudley in the forwards now makes this possible.

Worner, I think some opinions have been overly influenced by a couple of clangers (one that particularly egregious). Other than that I don't mind what he beings. I do think we are still playing too many defenders unless Worner is sub which is quite likely.

Voss is lucky but for all his appalling cat 5's he did impress with his leading and marking. Just needs to stop doing dumb things and improve his goal kicking (yes he may not be capable of either) but if can improve in these areas he's got some real attributes.

JOM deserves his place on form. He's got considerably more composure, game sense and better disposal/decision making than Erasmus unfortunately.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

If Worner is sub I dont think it really matters. I would have preferred Sharp dropped, Banfield / Ras to share flank and wing duties and Worner sub (Sharp would be a terrible sub).

Incredibly, Worner and Sharp over Ras is most concerning because JL continues to not prioritise disposal in anyway. Ras amazingly by foot this year has those two covered - which is terrifying really

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

It’s why guys like Banners and JOM hang around, their skill sets are suited to a few vague positions as opposed to Raz who pretty much just plays inside mid

As someone who thinks Worner's the only player that Ras should feel "aggrieved" was selected over him, this doesn't ring that true, especially when it comes to skillset.

Up until his draft year, Ras was a fwd, who first burst onto the scene by scoring 4 in the WAFL Colts Grand Final. He only became a mid as an 18 year old, and one of the critiques was that he wasn't yet a proper in-and-under type. Got clearances, but really what he did a lot of was outside accumulation using his tank and frame. And even though especially last year he was basically a pure inside mid, you see some of that. What sets him apart from Brodie at WAFL level (who's probably still the better in-and-under type) is he does more things. Defends, makes himself an option in transition, can use his overhead ability (albeit mainly to get shots that are just on the edge of his very limited shooting range).

If he's gonna make it, it'll more likely be as a Matt Kennedy type rather than a pure inside mid. To the extent that Ras lacks positional versatility, that's coaching and opportunity more than skillset.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Without criticising your opinion, I would like a few people to put their hand up here and acknowledge that they're part of this 100% of opinion on both topics.

A venn diagram would have to look like one circle being a total eclipse of the other whereas it's probably more likely that they barely intersect.

Even accounting for groupthink it's hard to find someone who completely agrees with your point of view on more than one subject.

It was me.

 

[Righteo]

This board melting over Erasmus is so funny to me.

Bloke has been dead set average, and with Jaeger back in the team he's pushed forward again, where he is even more average.

It's like people don't actually watch football and just check stat sheets.

Edit just wanted to add the same people crying about Erasmus would 100% be the same people that were crying about Reidy not getting a game last season because he got a few hit outs in the WAFL

It's more about team balance and playing too many defenders and not enough midfielders, something that hurt us in round one. Would've thought this was obvious.

 

[FreoRicci]

Of course we could. Like in warfare, whomever controls the air, controls everything.

would need to play a complimentary gameplan but it could work.

Thing is Jackson isn’t a typical tall. He’s a Blicavs type.
He can play every position. He shouldn’t just be a tall forward that rucks occasionally. There’s so much potential

 

[The Lobbster]

It's more about team balance and playing too many defenders and not enough midfielders, something that hurt us in round one. Would've thought this was obvious.

We are playing one less defender than round one. We had two on the bench plus sub. Now we’ve only got two defenders on the bench (with the potential for one to be sub). It’s how we lined up against the Swans

 

[Ysaye]

It's more about team balance and playing too many defenders and not enough midfielders, something that hurt us in round one. Would've thought this was obvious.

Isn't the deficiency fat side wingers, especially with Sharp injured / not in the greatest of form and there being no backs?

I can't help but wonder if this is the reason why we have gone with "8 defenders"; the answer being because one or two of them (Chapman, Worner or Wagner) are going to play as makeshift part time wingers, an acknowledgement that they are in a better place to play that position than our centre square players. It will be interesting to see how the team changes again if Young comes back in again next week and all of Serong, Brayshaw, O'Meara and Johnson are all fit.

 

[DocT]

Would be a death wish. No way we can play all of Darcy, Jackson, Voss, Treacy and Amiss in the same side.

Maybe we couldn't play all of them next week but in the longer term and if Voss comes on I think it's possible - Jackson, Treacy and Voss look like they are pretty versatile

 

[Big Animal]

it turned out so well last time we played 8 defenders. I'm sure doing the same thing will have a completely different result. I'm sure our mid rotations won't get stretched again and run out of steam in the 4th like against Geelong.

 

[Dockernut]

What in the actual **** is Jlo doing? Look at your opponent muppet. There’s a gritty in and under Liberatore led midfield that will ground and pound our two best mids and our counter is to load up with a shitful WAFL flanker? heck off.

 

[swanny1234]

He's in that bracket, but difficult to say Erasmus is better. And wouldn't play the same position as most of them.

I'd go with he's potentially better than Banfield.

We have too many defenders as is so playing both Worner and Wagner is ridiculous - you only need one of them.

Sharp and Frederick have been garbage for weeks and never have any level of selection pressure on them.

Erasmus isn’t a fantastic player, but he’s been better than each of these guys over the last 2 games, been made a scapegoat as he’s easy to drop in J-Lo’s unimaginative selections.

 

[swanny1234]

What in the actual **** is Jlo doing? Look at your opponent muppet. There’s a gritty in and under Liberatore led midfield that will ground and pound our two best mids and our counter is to load up with a shitful WAFL flanker? heck off.

He is the least tactically astute coach in the league. Utterly clueless.

 

[Quay Club]

Jeff Dalgliesh three weeks in a row... good grief.

Maybe we need to send another video to AFL house to get a break again.

 

[Big Animal]

This board melting over Erasmus is so funny to me.

Bloke has been dead set average, and with Jaeger back in the team he's pushed forward again, where he is even more average.

It's like people don't actually watch football and just check stat sheets.

Edit just wanted to add the same people crying about Erasmus would 100% be the same people that were crying about Reidy not getting a game last season because he got a few hit outs in the WAFL

cool. just checked the stat sheets. quite hard for me to determine meaning in them as he's come on as sub in 10 of his 25 games. Only played R2 and R3 this year. R2 got almost identical stats to Murphy Reid and was above Banfield. R3 18 disposals and above Banfield and Worner.

a maths genius such as yourself will need to explain to me why the stats show Ras should be left out over BB or Worner

 

[swanny1234]

This only makes sense if we’re not considering positions (although I’d still argue with Frederick and Wagner).

However Raz can’t play any of the positions those blokes play except for maybe Banfield.

People on here really seem to underrate playing an actual position. AFL teams are not made up of the twenty two most talented blokes on the list. It’s not junior footy where you can try out a new position. Positions are specialised things and off the cuff changes are rare (C Simpson being a rare exception it seems).

It’s why guys like Banners and JOM hang around, their skill sets are suited to a few vague positions as opposed to Raz who pretty much just plays inside mid

With no Young or Fyfe we are actually a midfielder light compared to most teams.. we’re overloaded with flankers and defenders, so in my eyes, Erasmus instead of either Wagner or Worner gives us a more balanced team.