Changes: Round 8 Vs Richmond

[Steinfreo]

DOnt get it twisted guys Tabs was garbage on the weekend as well. Hogan and Cam were just worse. My gut tells me that with Tig's outs one of our forwards is going to get a few and in a way the guys that faced the crows (just checked there previous games, clearly an above average defensive group) sort of deserve a crack at a worse defense. I wouldnt be to upset at no changes a part from getting blakely in.

 

[go_the_dockers]

DOnt get it twisted guys Tabs was garbage on the weekend as well. Hogan and Cam were just worse.

All our forwards were garbage.

McCarthy needs good delivery, but when he gets it he kicks goals.

 

[Belnakor]

We had a bunch of shallow entries on the weekend, i'd love to see our "i30" count, it was very low. Tough day when they have 1-2 men back all game.

 

[Spirit Level]

You've said Out: Tabs every week this year but he remains easily our best key forward.

You dont seem to be able to comprehend that I just don't think Tabs is as good as you do.

Also you're kidding yourself if you think he is a better player than Hogan

 

[ilikepotatoes]

You dont seem to be able to comprehend that I just don't think Tabs is as good as you do.

Also you're kidding yourself if you think he is a better player than Hogan

I don't think you'd find many who would argue Taberner is a better player, but he's definitely having a better season.

 

[bushchook]

Well if C Mayne can come back from where he begun at Pies, maybe the same should apply to McCarthy?

Mayne doesn't play in the forward line any more. Collingwood were smart enough to try him somewhere else and it worked.

 

[JBMAN]

Lobb makes sense if Darcy fires this year, hes a good back up that can take a grab and run around. The problem with Lobb is Darcy isnt firing.

Yes the problem is Darcy just doesn't have the endurance to cover the ground but is quite ok at the ruck knocks, Lobb is not so good at the ruck knocks but very mobile. I think at some stage soon they will need to look at playing them both.

 

[armpit]

Looking forward to seeing the bearded scrub going through his paces again.

Jeez poor Richmond are doing it tough.

 

[masai]

The surf better not be up this week, Connors Achilles heel.

 

[Deveraux]

I would be astounded if Cox come in to the squad.
All those wankin' on about "Cox doesn't really need to play well at Peel to come in" need to re-evaluate.
There's two reasons he wouldn't perform at Peel: Skill, Effort. We all know he has an abundance of skill so IF it's effort related then wtf should he get a pass.
He needs to earn it like anyone else.
Don't think this will happen but I would personally give this a go:

OUT: Cam Mac, Lobb
IN: Blakely, Darcy

Imo Tabs is so far ahead of Lobb at forward craft it's not even a comparison.

I do think Lobb is best 22 but he is a balance casualty this week. Like I said doubt this will happen but would be interesting to see if it works.

 

[theGav56]

I understand the frustration and temptation to point the finger at some of the forwards and think that dropping 'player x' will fix all our problems, but that's just not realistic or accurate.

The reality is that Adelaide defended exceptionally, and set up behind the ball really well all day (just as we did). There was a lot of dirty ball coming in, and even when we had our chances going forward we didn't execute the kick. At times we simply panicked.

McCarthy was literally 'best on' just over a month ago and is still ranked in the top 30 forwards in the AFL, Matera kicked 9 goals in the two weeks leading up to yesterday, Hogan is a Ferrari and Walters is elite. Swita had a difficult day, but still managed 6 tackles and needs the chance to grow and learn - he's shown decent signs in the previous 3 weeks.

I sometimes have to remind myself that we're still in a rebuild and dumping players like Brayshaw and Cerra just stalls this.

Blakely's game at Peel deserves reward and is clearly best 22, and surely Darcy and Cox are close. They are all important for the rebuild. It's also pleasing Schultz was busy on the weekend and clearly wan't to put his best foot forward. Shows great fortitude of character. If he keeps knocking, eventually they'll have to open the door. Logue got through as well...baby steps.

I totally agree with previous posters that Richmond cover the ground really well, so dropping Colyer would be a risk, but jeez he'd want to start getting to more contests. Just the 11 for him this week. He's a really handy player and great to have on the list, but turns 28 this year so I'm not sure how much of a part of the rebuild he'll be here for. I'd be asking him to go pack to Peel and get Blakely's numbers and force his way back in.

Taberner needs to sort out what's going on in his head. His brain-farts are weekly now, and after 7 years in the system should know better. They are getting worse. It can't be long before Ross gets sick of them. If he sorts them out he has a really good career ahead of him, if not he's as useful as a Casboult or Butcher.

Lots to look forward to next week and confident we'll bounce back at home and give a really strong showing.

IN: Blakely
OUT: Colyer.

I think you are the poster recommending the least changes, which is interesting. Blakely should definitely be IN, and I am excited see that.

In general I would like to see the club begin to work towards its best 22 (or maybe 25). Begin to get it sorted, get them some game time together, work out their systems. Without naming the OUTS I would say that would include Darcy and SHill.

Cox would also be strong consideration but due to the competition for tall spots I personally can't lock him in. I think he should be IN, but reality is we need to find a combination that works well together. There are quite a few questions about the combination that are un-answered;

• Hogan doesn't deserve his spot yet, but is pretty much a lock, which is a little problematic in the short-term. He is in my best 22 forward line.
• Taberner has risen, but remains a flawed option. He is in my best 22 forward line.
• McCarthy just seems really flakey and is failing to take the amazing opportunity that is offered to him being the 3rd tall. He is in my preferred 3rd tall, but is not a lock, and I really only want him in the side if he is doing his absolute best out there.
• Cox seems a terrific talent. For me his problem is a lack of difference from Hogan and Taberner. He doesn't seem to have the game for a 3rd tall forward, although i would prefer him in the 2nd ruck to Taberner. He is not in my best 22 forward line, but deserves to be given opportunity either in Taberner or McCarthy's position. Can't just simply add him. I lean towards Cox OR Taberner, and for now have Taberner in front.

In the midfield we saw really good games from Cerra and Brayshaw, but I think we need to blood our other midfield options, especially Bewley, Valente and North, but also Carter. I also think we should anticipate that Sturt becomes best 22 and see what can happen to fast-track him.

 

[cardamon]

I would be astounded if Cox come in to the squad.
All those wankin' on about "Cox doesn't really need to play well at Peel to come in" need to re-evaluate.
There's two reasons he wouldn't perform at Peel: Skill, Effort. We all know he has an abundance of skill so IF it's effort related then wtf should he get a pass.
He needs to earn it like anyone else.

He was named in the bests for Peel and was complimented twice after the GWS game. He was maybe brought in too soon but against the Giants he didn’t really make any errors and brought the ball to ground a tonne, directly created at least a couple of goals. I think he was a victim of playing a really short bulldogs team the next week, and McCarthy having credits in the bank. Despite his age I think he’s a cool head in the forward line and we were panicky as hell on sunday. I hope him and Blakely are in this week for god knows who.

 

[Superkoops]

He was named in the bests for Peel and was complimented twice after the GWS game. He was maybe brought in too soon but against the Giants he didn’t really make any errors and brought the ball to ground a tonne, directly created at least a couple of goals. I think he was a victim of playing a really short bulldogs team the next week, and McCarthy having credits in the bank. Despite his age I think he’s a cool head in the forward line and we were panicky as hell on sunday. I hope him and Blakely are in this week for god knows who.

Cox and Darcy have been fine for Peel. Could they have been better... Yes, but they have done their job and ready to play AFL if and when called upon.

This lack of effort thing I haven’t noticed in one game I saw live recently and the other on TV. In the 2nd WAFL game in TV (Peel v WC) Darcy was labouring but he appears to be moving much better now.

Cox whilst he only got 12 possessions played backline and East Perth got hammered especially in the 2nd half where the ball barely went i50 for East Perth.

I’d swap Cox with McCarthy. Let Cox play forward and pinch in the ruck. He can be so creative and will be jumping out of his skin to play well and as mentioned was part of our very successful forward line against GWS. He can also play back if there is a KPD injury.

In Blakely & Cox
Out Colyer & McCarthy

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[Nodgey]

I think Cox has the ‘looks laconic’ thing going on, so it simply looks like he’s in second gear instead of trying. Thus interpreted as lazy. Mundy has that but we know now he’s a gun.

Jack Watts has it too, don’t think that helps my argument though....

 

[salim malik]

I would be astounded if Cox come in to the squad.
All those wankin' on about "Cox doesn't really need to play well at Peel to come in" need to re-evaluate.
There's two reasons he wouldn't perform at Peel: Skill, Effort. We all know he has an abundance of skill so IF it's effort related then wtf should he get a pass.
He needs to earn it like anyone else.
Don't think this will happen but I would personally give this a go:

OUT: Cam Mac, Lobb
IN: Blakely, Darcy

Imo Tabs is so far ahead of Lobb at forward craft it's not even a comparison.

I do think Lobb is best 22 but he is a balance casualty this week. Like I said doubt this will happen but would be interesting to see if it works.

All those wankin on about he doesn't give effort so doesn't deserve a game need to reevaluate
.

 

[WilloTree]

I think you are the poster recommending the least changes, which is interesting. Blakely should definitely be IN, and I am excited see that.

In general I would like to see the club begin to work towards its best 22 (or maybe 25). Begin to get it sorted, get them some game time together, work out their systems. Without naming the OUTS I would say that would include Darcy and SHill.

Cox would also be strong consideration but due to the competition for tall spots I personally can't lock him in. I think he should be IN, but reality is we need to find a combination that works well together. There are quite a few questions about the combination that are un-answered;

• Hogan doesn't deserve his spot yet, but is pretty much a lock, which is a little problematic in the short-term. He is in my best 22 forward line.
• Taberner has risen, but remains a flawed option. He is in my best 22 forward line.
• McCarthy just seems really flakey and is failing to take the amazing opportunity that is offered to him being the 3rd tall. He is in my preferred 3rd tall, but is not a lock, and I really only want him in the side if he is doing his absolute best out there.
• Cox seems a terrific talent. For me his problem is a lack of difference from Hogan and Taberner. He doesn't seem to have the game for a 3rd tall forward, although i would prefer him in the 2nd ruck to Taberner. He is not in my best 22 forward line, but deserves to be given opportunity either in Taberner or McCarthy's position. Can't just simply add him. I lean towards Cox OR Taberner, and for now have Taberner in front.

In the midfield we saw really good games from Cerra and Brayshaw, but I think we need to blood our other midfield options, especially Bewley, Valente and North, but also Carter. I also think we should anticipate that Sturt becomes best 22 and see what can happen to fast-track him.

I pretty much agree with all this. I think if we're moving towards a best 22 I agree Darcy and SHill are in and we'd have to seriously consider Logue and Cox with Sturt and Valente down the track.

Exciting times ahead.

Also, Love that I'm not the only one who thinks Carter is a bit special. Really want to see him in the 1s.

 

[Heart Of Purple]

I see hogan and McCarthy as pretty similar players, with Hogan having the distinct advantage of also being good one on one and probably a bit quicker/smarter around the contest further from goals. Cam's a far better kick at goal and going into the 50, more of a 'true' forward who really can't do much else, but does what he's good at to a high level. If Cox comes in, I'd rather it be in Cam's spot than anyones. Lobb would have to be in trouble if he goes forward and doesn't impact too much. Genuine competition amongst the talls, but I think Tabs is the guy thats played the most consistent all year and would be safest if the names didn't come into play.

 

[WilloTree]

I think Cox has the ‘looks laconic’ thing going on, so it simply looks like he’s in second gear instead of trying. Thus interpreted as lazy. Mundy has that but we know now he’s a gun.

Jack Watts has it too, don’t think that helps my argument though....

Yeah, the 'looks laconic' thing is deceptive. Graham Moss never looked like he was even trying. Peter Mann and Michael Johnson sometimes looked half asleep! I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.

 

[Allikat]

Mayne doesn't play in the forward line any more. Collingwood were smart enough to try him somewhere else and it worked.

Collingwood were forced to play him elsewhere because he was a liability up forward in their VFL side. And it didn't just "work", it took him a couple of years to remember how to play footy.

 

[Allikat]

On changes, I really wanna see Darcy in the side, but I have no idea which tall I'd want to see out.

I think Colyer needs a bit of a break though, I can't remember seeing him for weeks, so he'd be my out for Blakely

 

[Dockernut]

OUT: Cam Mac, Lobb
IN: Blakely, Darcy

Yep, this makes sense for me.

Don’t think Lobb has been bad at all, but gee I want to see Darcy get a run.

 

[bushchook]

Collingwood were forced to play him elsewhere because he was a liability up forward in their VFL side. And it didn't just "work", it took him a couple of years to remember how to play footy.

He was a liability up forward for us too but we never tried anything different.

 

[freo_leo29]

He was a liability up forward for us too but we never tried anything different.

He played defense for us and a minor run on the wing for a couple of games

 

[ImperialPurple]

Been thinking long and hard.

In: Blakely, Darcy
Out: McCarthy, Switta

 

[FreoRicci]

All our forwards were garbage.

McCarthy needs good delivery, but when he gets it he kicks goals.

Sorry this is professional sport. Ain’t going to have perfect delivery at times. McCarthy needs to fight harder in the contest. He opts our easily. He’s a lightweight.

In a game like Adelaide, delivery ain’t going to be on a plate. Look at Hogan and Tabs. Their marks were goddamn hard and had to work for each of them