Preview Changes round 9 vs West Coast Eagles

[CharlieCrow]

Tom Barrass - Shoulder Test
Shannon Hurn - Calf1-2 weeks
Mark Hutchings - Hamstring Test
Jeremy McGovern - Groin 1-2 weeks
Liam Ryan - Shin 1-2 weeks
Luke Shuey - Hamstring TBC
Nathan Vardy - Foot Test
Daniel Venables - Concussion TBC
Isiah Winder - Knee TBC
Elliot Yeo - Groin TBC

Knowing our luck Barrass, Hutchings, Shuey, Vardy, Venables and Yeo all pass their tests!

 

[DJ75]

Welcome to 8 weeks ago.

I did think that until now clubs were at least still pretending the injury might be an issue. To openly come out and say 'precaution' was new. To me at least.

 

[Bearded Clam]

What if frampton kicks 6 do we leave thilthorpe out then ?


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Himm and frampton are both not AFL standard IMO.. and not worth persisting with..

But out of the two.. frampton has clearly been in far greater form this year. If only he could bring his sanfl game to his afl game..

Would rather play neither but if we have to play one at the moment im picking frampton.. he’s s**t... but hes nowhere near as s**t as himm has been this year.

This weekend tex should be rested.. taking him to perth is just stupid.

And if tt’s knee is sore in anyway.. leave him home too.

Frampton and fog in the forward line. With himm maybe, and I mean MAYBE, joining them..

 

[Golumless]

Rest Walker and Thilthorpe and replace them with no tall forwards. Go in with Fogarty and Himmelberg up there. Bring Hately back to replace Fogarty's midfield rotation.

Surround that with Rowe, Berry, McAdam and some resting mids. McAdam was crap in the SANFL but you basically have to bring him in.

Down back, drop Mackay for Jones. Bring McAsey in for one of the tall forwards to fix our talls mix.

Smith or Hamill can play further up the ground to bring in Worrell. We can also experiment swinging McAsey or Worrell forward at times just for the hell of it.

I'd probably drop Kelly as well but there is no way he will be dropped for the next 5 years

Out: Murphy, McHenry, Walker, Thilthorpe, Mackay
In: McAdam, Hately, McAsey, Worrell, Jones

B Brown - Butts - Doedee
HB Hamill - McAsey - Jones
C Sholl - Sloane - Smith
HF Schoenberg - Himmelberg - Berry
F McAdam - Fogarty - Rowe
R O'Brien - Keays - Laird

I Hately - Seedsman - Worrell - Kelly

Sub: Mackay

Thilthorpe and McHenry straight back in when available

I'm a bit lost why you'd rest Thilthorpe in this situation unless he's clearly injured mid-week. After all, that would be a golden opportunity to let Riley be the number one forward, and give a taster of what to expect for his career once Tex goes.

 

[Bazz_27]

Himm and frampton are both not AFL standard IMO.. and not worth persisting with..

But out of the two.. frampton has clearly been in far greater form this year. If only he could bring his sanfl game to his afl game..

Would rather play neither but if we have to play one at the moment im picking frampton.. he’s sh*t... but hes nowhere near as sh*t as himm has been this year.

This weekend tex should be rested.. taking him to perth is just stupid.

And if tt’s knee is sore in anyway.. leave him home too.

Frampton and fog in the forward line. With himm maybe, and I mean MAYBE, joining them..

If we play Frampton & Himmelberg in the same forward line at AFL level ever then I will be refusing to watch that. We will get absolutely smashed.

 

[Vader]

It's fine to use stats but you can't keep twisting them to suit your own agenda.
Yes Fog hasn't kicked many goals but he hasn't been playing in the forward lines 100% either.

He hasn't been playing much in the forward lines this year, and barring 3 goals against the worst defence in the AFL he hasn't got near it when he has gone forward. He spent a fair bit of time in the forward line against Port, for 0 marks, 0 kicks, 0 handballs, and 0 score... other than the goal he kicked from TT's free kick.

It's the same with his touches. How many times was he in a position to win them, bad bounce in centre, wrong side, teammate better suited, etc. ? How many times was he shepherding instead?

Now you're just making excuses for him. You could say the same about every single player in the midfield "what if this had happened differently" - but Fogarty has proven consistently that he just doesn't get anywhere near enough disposals to have an impact on the game. Fogarty had 9 disposals against Port (excluding the goal he kicked from TT's free). That's not the result of the ball bouncing badly, it's the result of him not being good enough.

The ball bounces badly for Keays... yet he ends up with 20 disposals.
The ball bounces badly for Schoenberg... yet he ends up with 19 disposals.
The ball bounces badly for Fogarty... and he ends up with only 9 disposals (plus a stolen free kick).

His numbers just don't stack up.

When in the forward line it's the same. How .any leads did he make but wasn't honoured, how many times did teammates come in to crowd, etc. ?
There's a lot more to a player than just stats.

Once again, you're making excuses. He was given a complete bath by the Port defenders, and never looked like marking the ball or taking possession at any state. At least Berg & TT got their hands on it, even if Berg did drop it almost every time; Fogarty barely made it into the picture frame.

I personally think he could be good if given the opportunity. He has never been given a string of games to be truly relaxed and comfortable.
Those that judge only by stats really don't hold much credibility.

There is talent there, and he could make it if he lost at least 5-10kg of excess muscle bulk. This would increase his speed & agility, allowing him to release the star player locked inside Fogarty's over-muscled body.

For now though, people like you need to accept him for what he is - not what you wish he would be. You need to stop making excuses for him, and start to view him rationally, based on his actual output - rather than emotionally, based on what you hope/wish he could become.

 

[crows dude]

NO SANFL this week so a chance to rest some players

Going to get smashed anyway.

 

[triggyscrewedus]

Tex needs to get out the way..
He's that old dude at the pub trying to be cool with the young crew..
Fog and TT in the forward line and go for it.
Are we in rebuild or what.

 

[baldandbroke]

He hasn't been playing much in the forward lines this year, and barring 3 goals against the worst defence in the AFL he hasn't got near it when he has gone forward. He spent a fair bit of time in the forward line against Port, for 0 marks, 0 kicks, 0 handballs, and 0 score... other than the goal he kicked from TT's free kick.

Now you're just making excuses for him. You could say the same about every single player in the midfield "what if this had happened differently" - but Fogarty has proven consistently that he just doesn't get anywhere near enough disposals to have an impact on the game. Fogarty had 9 disposals against Port (excluding the goal he kicked from TT's free). That's not the result of the ball bouncing badly, it's the result of him not being good enough.

The ball bounces badly for Keays... yet he ends up with 20 disposals.
The ball bounces badly for Schoenberg... yet he ends up with 19 disposals.
The ball bounces badly for Fogarty... and he ends up with only 9 disposals (plus a stolen free kick).

His numbers just don't stack up.

Once again, you're making excuses. He was given a complete bath by the Port defenders, and never looked like marking the ball or taking possession at any state. At least Berg & TT got their hands on it, even if Berg did drop it almost every time; Fogarty barely made it into the picture frame.

There is talent there, and he could make it if he lost at least 5-10kg of excess muscle bulk. This would increase his speed & agility, allowing him to release the star player locked inside Fogarty's over-muscled body.

For now though, people like you need to accept him for what he is - not what you wish he would be. You need to stop making excuses for him, and start to view him rationally, based on his actual output - rather than emotionally, based on what you hope/wish he could become.

Advice from the sage. Vader's legendary talent identification system at work.

 

[Bazz_27]

Tex needs to get out the way..
He's that old dude at the pub trying to be cool with the young crew..
Fog and TT in the forward line and go for it.
Are we in rebuild or what.

Lets continue this analogy. He is the old guy at the pub, the young guys are still on the juices and too scared to drink but they want to be at the pub. If Tex wasn't at the pub they would still drink juice.

 

[Johnny Rutten]

Advice from the sage. Vader's legendary talent identification system at work.

Based on actual output, 'The Sage' is actually pretty spot on, and I want Fog to succeed as much as anyone.

 

[triggyscrewedus]

Lets continue this analogy. He is the old guy at the pub, the young guys are still on the juices and too scared to drink but they want to be at the pub. If Tex wasn't at the pub they would still drink juice.

Aaahh that's Gin they are drinking mate not juice,
They would love another one but can't get to the bar as old mate is blocking it..

 

[Faaarrk]

He hasn't been playing much in the forward lines this year, and barring 3 goals against the worst defence in the AFL he hasn't got near it when he has gone forward. He spent a fair bit of time in the forward line against Port, for 0 marks, 0 kicks, 0 handballs, and 0 score... other than the goal he kicked from TT's free kick.

Now you're just making excuses for him. You could say the same about every single player in the midfield "what if this had happened differently" - but Fogarty has proven consistently that he just doesn't get anywhere near enough disposals to have an impact on the game. Fogarty had 9 disposals against Port (excluding the goal he kicked from TT's free). That's not the result of the ball bouncing badly, it's the result of him not being good enough.

The ball bounces badly for Keays... yet he ends up with 20 disposals.
The ball bounces badly for Schoenberg... yet he ends up with 19 disposals.
The ball bounces badly for Fogarty... and he ends up with only 9 disposals (plus a stolen free kick).

His numbers just don't stack up.

Once again, you're making excuses. He was given a complete bath by the Port defenders, and never looked like marking the ball or taking possession at any state. At least Berg & TT got their hands on it, even if Berg did drop it almost every time; Fogarty barely made it into the picture frame.

There is talent there, and he could make it if he lost at least 5-10kg of excess muscle bulk. This would increase his speed & agility, allowing him to release the star player locked inside Fogarty's over-muscled body.

For now though, people like you need to accept him for what he is - not what you wish he would be. You need to stop making excuses for him, and start to view him rationally, based on his actual output - rather than emotionally, based on what you hope/wish he could become.

Not making excuses, just saying there's more than just stats to look at.
And I meant centre bounces, not random ball bounces.
You don't need to be fast to be a mid fielder. I personally don't think he will make it as a mid fielder, doesn't have the awareness for it, at least he will learn a fair bit from it though.
Tex was also embarrassed by Port, dropping easy marks and fumbling. He is worse than Fog at the moment but collects more stats so you'd sooner see him stay in.
Stats can be very mis-leading when concentrating only on them.

 

[Vader]

Not making excuses, just saying there's more than just stats to look at.
And I meant centre bounces, not random ball bounces.
You don't need to be fast to be a mid fielder. I personally don't think he will make it as a mid fielder, doesn't have the awareness for it, at least he will learn a fair bit from it though.
Tex was also embarrassed by Port, dropping easy marks and fumbling. He is worse than Fog at the moment but collects more stats so you'd sooner see him stay in.
Stats can be very mis-leading when concentrating only on them.

Sometimes stats can be misleading... but in Fogarty's case they're not. They tell a very simple story.

Tex was definitely embarrassed by Clurey, no argument at all. It was an absolute pantsing. However, Tex's form prior to this was better than anything Fogarty has ever shown, at any stage in his career.

 

[pjcrows]

Is it just my eyes or does O'Connor move like Sydney's Kennedy?

 

[ams4crows]

It's time for O'Connor to get a crack, move Berry to the high half forward role.

One of McAsey or Worrall need to come in, maybe both depending on WCE tall forwards we can't make Doedee play on any of them, he'll get rag dolled!

 

[mattymac]

Just heard the Matt Clarke interview with Blight and his sidekick on sportsday SA.

Good interview.

It's so obvious Blight et al read bigfooty.

Q: "Fog kicked 5 against West Coast last time, shouldn't we put him in the goal square and give him the V?"

A: something something flexibility

Q: "McAdam needs to stop playing from behind. We know he's a good mark but how are you going to get the best out of him?"

A: GPS numbers say he is still working just as hard as last year.

A few other points lifted directly from here about Butts, Jones and one or two others. Answers weren't great, but give an insight into how the club thinks. Recommended listening.

 

[Geoffa32]

Just heard the Matt Clarke interview with Blight and his sidekick on sportsday SA.

Good interview.

It's so obvious Blight et al read bigfooty.

Q: "Fog kicked 5 against West Coast last time, shouldn't we put him in the goal square and give him the V?"

A: something something flexibility

Q: "McAdam needs to stop playing from behind. We know he's a good mark but how are you going to get the best out of him?"

A: GPS numbers say he is still working just as hard as last year.

A few other points lifted directly from here about Butts, Jones and one or two others. Answers weren't great, but give an insight into how the club thinks. Recommended listening.

McAdam wouldn't have to work as hard if he played in front.

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[mattymac]

Oh and it sounded like Newchurch is in.

When asked how we replace McHenry and Murphy: we only have one replacement so we might have to get creative.

I assume the replacement small forward is Newchurch.

 

[mattymac]

McAdam wouldn't have to work as hard if he played in front.

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GPS numbers have to be the dumbest thing to look at to judge impact on games.

I'm sure Dmac has great GPS numbers. Impact, not so much.

 

[Scorpus]

Oh and it sounded like Newchurch is in.

When asked how we replace McHenry and Murphy: we only have one replacement so we might have to get creative.

I assume the replacement small forward is Newchurch.

McAdam is a small forward isn't he?

 

[Scorpus]

GPS numbers have to be the dumbest thing to look at to judge impact on games.

I'm sure Dmac has great GPS numbers. Impact, not so much.

The club has for YEARS prioritised GPS numbers.

There was one game I distinctly remember Rory Atkins running something like 16km for 3 disposals. Got the tick of approval because of elite GPS numbers. "Runs hard all day"

 

[cleanhands]

The club has for YEARS prioritised GPS numbers.

There was one game I distinctly remember Rory Atkins running something like 16km for 3 disposals. Got the tick of approval because of elite GPS numbers. "Runs hard all day"

See you can get great numbers running away from the ball

 

[Murray2503]

Thursday night melts are back round 10.

 

[Bearded Clam]

McAdam is a small forward isn't he?

mcadam and newchurch are both listed as 181cm..