Preview Changes V Blues

[Paladin]

Porps is out

Ins are Vince, Smith
for Porps, Crouch.

I'm heading over for the ANZAC day clash tomorrow then Crows on Sat. Pumped

 

[Wright Away]

If Bernie "Lazy hack" Vince plays this week instead of Lyons, Lyons should seek a trade. What kind of message does that send to the team.

Hey you work your arse off for over a season, proving that you are too good for SANFL, but nah you're not getting selected.

Hey you're a lazy shit who has been cruising well below your potential for 4 years and you've been dropped and played somewhat ok for 1 game in a dominant side like the downhill skier you are, welcome back to the team!!!

 

[ftmch]

If we suspect Bernie is capable of playing a blinder against Carlton this week, then why the hell wouldn't we bring him back in? We need to pick a side that is most capable of beating the team we are up against week by week.

Unless the club genuinely feel he has attitude issues - and there has been nothing from Sando, the other coaches or the leadership group to suggest he has been anything but simply out of form - the he should come back in the minute they feel he's rediscovered that form. He's too good a player - and way too important to our prospects this year - to have him flailing around in the SANFL for 4-5 weeks.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Am I the only one with sympathy for Porps or are there others out there.

It's with a heavy heart that I agree he is on the knifes edge.

It is not with a heavy heart that I agree Vince should remain sidelined for a few more weeks.

Not just you. My favourite player.

Would love to see him turn it around but running out of chances I fear

 

[ftmch]

Not just you. My favourite player.

Would love to see him turn it around but running out of chances I fear

Mine too. He's got too much class to not turn it around though.

Would rather him go through a flat spot now than at the pointy end of the season.

 

[Allefgib]

Exactly, Vince needs to prove he can perform consistently over a number of weeks. Bringing him back proves nothing only that Vince doesn't need to fear demotion, at worst all that will happen is he'll be dropped for no more than a game, as he can dominate SANFL without breaking a sweat. Vince's issue is not talent, nor form, he's the type of player who can flick the switch at any point and turn from average player to superstar in the blink of an eye, that's if he's got the right mindset.

Steve Johnson was a similar case for Geelong, Johnson was for the most part a nothing player until he was banned for a number of weeks by the club. He was forced to face a life without football and he decided he really wanted football. Vince is a similar level talent who has been allowed to coast along for far too long. Sure we've dropped/suspended him for a week here or there, but he's always known he'd be back soon, all he'd need to do was put in for a week or two.

We need to force him to decide if he really wants to play AFL, or whether he's happy to waste his talent playing at a lower level. He needs 5 weeks in the SANFL minimum to show that he can perform to a high level consistently and not just enough to keep his spot in the side.

I worry that Sando may not have the kahuna's to do such a thing. I hope he proves me wrong, as a Vince truly committed to the cause could quickly become our most important player.

This week, with Crouch out I'd look at:
In: Lyons, Smith
Out: Crouch, Porplyzia

Smith to be sub, slowly work him back into it.

If only there was someone around the club who had seen the situation with Stevie j...

 

[Grenville]

I suggest you re-watch the games.

Essendon - both were poor.
Brisbane - both OK.
Port - Jaensch > Brown
Bulldogs - both good.

Not much in. Personally I have Jaensch just ahead.

To say Jaensch has had 1 respectable game v 3 for Brown is strteching the truth a long way!

My impression from watching the games was that Brown was quite a bit better, but the stats dont support it:
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...d1=3628&tid2=2&pid2=3418&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

Considering Brown has generally had the more defensive role on the more dangerous forward I'd say that makes them pretty even. Shame they dont have stats for their direct opponent in there....

 

[moogerfooger]

Shame they dont have stats for their direct opponent in there....

you mean, there's more to a player's performance than Super Coach numbers?

its a very good point and one which a LOT of supporters don't pay attention to.

 

[craig crowing]

Forget this bring Vince in because he played well against Carlton thats why many wanted him against Power for same reason and look how well that went .
Vince might find some internal fortitude and get back to playing to level capable of but not going to after one game in SANFL as thats just not a wake up call but a slap on the wrist .
But guess thats what club good at the moment .
Be very disappointed now if Lyons does not get in as he absolutely killing them in SANFL ,but expect 1 change Smith for Crouch.

 

[Vader]

My impression from watching the games was that Brown was quite a bit better, but the stats dont support it:
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...d1=3628&tid2=2&pid2=3418&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

Considering Brown has generally had the more defensive role on the more dangerous forward I'd say that makes them pretty even. Shame they dont have stats for their direct opponent in there....

Brown was quite a lot better in the Brisbane game. Suggesting that they were on par in that game is ridiculous. Almost half of Brisbane's score came from Jaensch's direct opponent.

Jaensch's opponent would kick a quick bag of 2-3, so they'd swap Brown onto him, silencing the player almost immediately. Then Jaensch's new opponent proceeded to do the same thing. They tag teamed him all day. It was an outstanding effort which would have seen his standings in the Reverse Brownlow rise dramatically.

 

[tiggsy]

Brown was quite a lot better in the Brisbane game. Suggesting that they were on par in that game is ridiculous. Almost half of Brisbane's score came from Jaensch's direct opponent.

Jaensch's opponent would kick a quick bag of 2-3, so they'd swap Brown onto him, silencing the player almost immediately. Then Jaensch's new opponent proceeded to do the same thing. They tag teamed him all day. It was an outstanding effort which would have seen his standings in the Reverse Brownlow rise dramatically.

Just thought I'd check this as it wasn't my recollection of the game. 3 players kicked two goals, Martin, Zorko and Green. Martin's 2 goals were against Rutten. One of Green's was against Brown and one I couldn't tell who was on him as Petrenko was his direct opponent when he scored. Zorko's came from the midfield although Brown was his opponent in one (where the wrong decision was made against Wright encroaching on the mark which gave them that dodgy 50m penalty). To say that Jaensch's opponents kicked 2-3 goals multiple times is just wrong. That doesn't mean I think Jaensch is a good defender nor that I think Brown is not better. I'd just try and demonstrate it with facts rather than skewed recollections of the game.

 

[Allefgib]

Thank you Tiggsy - Vader's opinions get distorted to facts a little to often at times that I think he forgets to check them.

I like what they're doing with Jaensch to a degree. He's applying himself well to improving his defensive game - his offensive side will pick up in time I hope. They did the same thing with Mackay last year - and he was leading the club in tackles for alot of the season which was unheard of coming into the season.

They seem want all the good kicks behind the footy... whether that's for their development or a key part of the gameplan remains to be seen. I hope in time they balance out a bit and push Mackay/Jaensch further up the field. Some would argue Mackay is starting to do that more this year due to Jaensch releasing him from the backlines a bit.

Porps, Laird, Mackay would all be in my gun before MJ at the moment. Mackay getting a little more of it than Jaenschy, but in most other key areas Jaenschy is ahead. Certainly using the ball better, making less clangers and based on 1%'s putting in a better defensive effort. Heck I'd even consider Jaenschy ahead of Reilly at the moment. He's taking more contested marks than Brent this year.

MJ also played every minute of every game if footywire is correct....

Suggest everyone go into the next few rounds watching Jaenschy with a bit more of an open mind.

 

[Paladin]

Just thought I'd check this as it wasn't my recollection of the game. 3 players kicked two goals, Martin, Zorko and Green. Martin's 2 goals were against Rutten. One of Green's was against Brown and one I couldn't tell who was on him as Petrenko was his direct opponent when he scored. Zorko's came from the midfield although Brown was his opponent in one (where the wrong decision was made against Wright encroaching on the mark which gave them that dodgy 50m penalty). To say that Jaensch's opponents kicked 2-3 goals multiple times is just wrong. That doesn't mean I think Jaensch is a good defender nor that I think Brown is not better. I'd just try and demonstrate it with facts rather than skewed recollections of the game.

Vader dosent actually watch the games so take that into consideration when reading his dribble.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I think it is an absolute Monty that Vince will be in the team tonight

Given Carltank forward structure this should be a game that Tambling should be considered, however given that we upgraded a rookie to play in Bling's position I guess it goes against Sando's pre-season comments about Bling

What I would like to happen

in Lyon, Smith
out Crouch, Jaensch

What I think will happen

In Vince, Smith
Out crouch, Laird

However I'm not discounting Lyon to come in for Porpy

 

[Mike Smyth]

I suggest you re-watch the games.

Essendon - both were poor.
Brisbane - both OK.
Port - Jaensch > Brown
Bulldogs - both good.

Not much in. Personally I have Jaensch just ahead.

To say Jaensch has had 1 respectable game v 3 for Brown is strteching the truth a long way!

Depends where you are in your premiership window. If you're not in the premiership window then every day of the week you should take the up and coming youngster, who appears to have a good upside, over the 3rd tier average, more experienced player. If you are in your premiership windows then the decision is 50/50, although, personally, I would still pick the youngster.

 

[Mike Smyth]

If Bernie "Lazy hack" Vince plays this week instead of Lyons, Lyons should seek a trade. What kind of message does that send to the team.

Hey you work your arse off for over a season, proving that you are too good for SANFL, but nah you're not getting selected.

Hey you're a lazy shit who has been cruising well below your potential for 4 years and you've been dropped and played somewhat ok for 1 game in a dominant side like the downhill skier you are, welcome back to the team!!!

Hard to argue with this. If both Lyons and Vince are picked then no worries but if Vince is picked ahead of Lyons then what a crap message that sends to the playing group.

 

[Bob Neil]

Don't go back Sando.

The only thing behind us is failed campaigns.

Go forward! Fear not what the future holds.

I'd like BF to create a filter so I can only read posts made by Carl between the hours of 11pm and 3am! That's when the real inspiration/desperation shines through.

 

[FR0GGY]

Brown was quite a lot better in the Brisbane game. Suggesting that they were on par in that game is ridiculous. Almost half of Brisbane's score came from Jaensch's direct opponent.

Jaensch's opponent would kick a quick bag of 2-3, so they'd swap Brown onto him, silencing the player almost immediately. Then Jaensch's new opponent proceeded to do the same thing. They tag teamed him all day. It was an outstanding effort which would have seen his standings in the Reverse Brownlow rise dramatically.

I've got a few other things from history I wouldn't mind you rewriting if you have the time?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Depends where you are in your premiership window. If you're not in the premiership window then every day of the week you should take the up and coming youngster, who appears to have a good upside, over the 3rd tier average, more experienced player. If you are in your premiership windows then the decision is 50/50, although, personally, I would still pick the youngster.

Both Jaensch & Brown are young & there is a place for them both if performing. You talk like Jaensch is close to retirement age.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Brown was quite a lot better in the Brisbane game. Suggesting that they were on par in that game is ridiculous. Almost half of Brisbane's score came from Jaensch's direct opponent.

Jaensch's opponent would kick a quick bag of 2-3, so they'd swap Brown onto him, silencing the player almost immediately. Then Jaensch's new opponent proceeded to do the same thing. They tag teamed him all day. It was an outstanding effort which would have seen his standings in the Reverse Brownlow rise dramatically.

Vader, I suggest you re-watch the Brisbane game - with both eyes open

I reiterate there has no been much difference between Brown & Jaensch this year. They play slightly differing roles. To suggest one has been far better (on a 3:1 basis) than the other over the season so far, involves either bias &/or no clue about what goes on in the game.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Am I the only one with sympathy for Porps or are there others out there.

It's with a heavy heart that I agree he is on the knifes edge.

It is not with a heavy heart that I agree Vince should remain sidelined for a few more weeks.

I'm with you as I think Porps is still an x-factor for our side.

Having said that, the sooner we give him a decent run at (a winning) Westies, the better, as will be the sooner he returns to the Crows in form. Pretty sure he is still part of Sando's long-term plans.

Vince should not come back in after 1 good game. Lyons is more deserving as he has been consistently good all year for the Bays. Vince needs to be taught a lesson that AFL is not for cruising. Dropping him for 1 game does not send this message. He may play well against the Blues, but we need to look at the bigger picture - particularly when we have more deserving alternatives.

 

[Vader]

Vader dosent actually watch the games so take that into consideration when reading his dribble.

Not true.. but we all know you love making up lies about me.

 

[Vader]

Just thought I'd check this as it wasn't my recollection of the game. 3 players kicked two goals, Martin, Zorko and Green. Martin's 2 goals were against Rutten. One of Green's was against Brown and one I couldn't tell who was on him as Petrenko was his direct opponent when he scored. Zorko's came from the midfield although Brown was his opponent in one (where the wrong decision was made against Wright encroaching on the mark which gave them that dodgy 50m penalty). To say that Jaensch's opponents kicked 2-3 goals multiple times is just wrong. That doesn't mean I think Jaensch is a good defender nor that I think Brown is not better. I'd just try and demonstrate it with facts rather than skewed recollections of the game.

My recollection is that Zorko's goals were both kicked when Jaensch was his direct opponent - even if he wasn't in the same postcode as his opponent (which says a lot about Jaensch's ability to mind his man). Zorko's influence on the game was reduced to zero when Brown was moved onto him, replacing Jaensch.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I'd like BF to create a filter so I can only read posts made by Carl between the hours of 11pm and 3am! That's when the real inspiration/desperation shines through.

That's when the alcohol really kicks in

 

[FR0GGY]

That's when the drugs really kicks in