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[Vader]

Vince deserved another week in the SANFL..

I agree.. but Porps also needed to be dropped.. so something had to give.

 

[Cap]

I agree.. but Porps also needed to be dropped.. so something had to give.

yeah, It really ends up being Vinces good luck.

 

[maxlilly]

I wonder what would have happened if Crouch wasn't injured? Would have been a very interesting selection!



Yes, I was thinking the same thing.
Would Vince be getting a game if Crouch wasn't injured ? Or does Vince come in and we drop another player ?
I think Smith was a certainty to come back.

I cant understand why people are so against playing younger players when they are performing better than the older guys ??
Hopefully Kerridge, Laird & Lynch put in another strong effort this week.
I'm looking forward to Lyons getting an opportunity soon hopefully.
It's great to have the pressure on for spots in the team.
I think Carlton are struggling a bit and I think we can win by a few goals this week

 

[Mego Red]

Do people realise Bernie has a very different role now than when he win the club champions award?

His inside midfield minutes have decreased and now he has to play as an outside running midfielder who doesn't get as many looks as he used to.

Lyons should have come in for Crouch - like fir like however, Vince should have come into the side for Porps as a like fir like.

If they wanted Smith in, he should have come in for either Laird or MJ as like for like players.

See - I'm not playing the man. This is a quality post.

 

[Schulzycrow]

Now that it looks like Betts is going to play, I am interested...who gets the green vest of doom? Think they need Laird, Smith and Jaensch to play of the Carlton forward line of Betts, Yarran and Garlett. Does Dmac get the vest? Hendo? Vince?

Sad for Porps, but the writing has been on the wall for a while.

 

[StonesThrow]

Lyons has played a couple of games Vader. He looked very comfortable in his limited minutes.

 

[Lawrst]

Vest goes for Dmac for mine.

 

[Vader]

Lyons has played a couple of games Vader. He looked very comfortable in his limited minutes.

Absolutely.. but comfortable for a youngster still equates to less output and consistency than a 111 game player, even a lazy one like Vince, can be expected to produce.

Lyons' non-selection wasn't so much about Lyons vs Vince, as it was about Kerridge, Lynch & Laird all coming into the team last week, with one more inexperienced kid being likely to be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

 

[DREAM TEAM BUFF]

Last chance for Vince if i had my way

 

[AFC979810]

Vince deserved another week in the SANFL..

Disagree.

He is a quality player who was actually pretty decent in his last game as the sub. Was undisciplined and his poor decision making cost us. Thats what made him lose his spot.

He went back to the SANFL and dominated as was expected.

He has earned the right to reclaim his spot. If he has a stinker - i think we will see him go back to the SANFL for a good 3-4 weeks and not return until he is absolutely dominating the SANFL.

 

[weekend at bernies]

Disagree.

He is a quality player who was actually pretty decent in his last game as the sub. Was undisciplined and his poor decision making cost us. Thats what made him lose his spot.

He went back to the SANFL and dominated as was expected.

He has earned the right to reclaim his spot. If he has a stinker - i think we will see him go back to the SANFL for a good 3-4 weeks and not return until he is absolutely dominating the SANFL.

I just dont see what a week in the SANFL does for him... 2 - 3 weeks of good footy in the SANFL and maybe it wakes him up a bit, and we get the Bernie back we all know and love!!

 

[Wood_Duck]

If Lyons came in and got 6 kicks and 8 handballs for the game it would be heralded as a very solid game for a youngster.

Vince did it in his last game in just over a quarter and has been hated for it. Im not going to dismiss his undisciplined disposal for which he has been duly punished, but please people, a bit of perspective.

 

[AFC979810]

I just dont see what a week in the SANFL does for him... 2 - 3 weeks of good footy in the SANFL and maybe it wakes him up a bit, and we get the Bernie back we all know and love!!

He learns as much from 1 week as he does from 2-3. Players like Vince / Johncock / Callinan are waaaay too good for SANFL so sending them back is basically just a warning shot. Go back perform in the seconds and you get another shot. If you don't perform when you come back then you have an extended stint on the sidelines.

I don't think we will see Johncock near selection for the next 2-3 weeks, same with Callinan until he starts tearing up the SANFL. I think Porps will bust his balls on the training track and then come in against the Hawks with the knowledge that if he doesn't produce then he has an extended stint in the magoo's....

I really want to see David Mackay get the vest this week. Has been as ordinary as Porps & Vince and should be next in the firing line.

 

[weekend at bernies]

He learns as much from 1 week as he does from 2-3. Players like Vince / Johncock / Callinan are waaaay too good for SANFL so sending them back is basically just a warning shot. Go back perform in the seconds and you get another shot. If you don't perform when you come back then you have an extended stint on the sidelines.

I don't think we will see Johncock near selection for the next 2-3 weeks, same with Callinan until he starts tearing up the SANFL. I think Porps will bust his balls on the training track and then come in against the Hawks with the knowledge that if he doesn't produce then he has an extended stint in the magoo's....

I really want to see David Mackay get the vest this week. Has been as ordinary as Porps & Vince and should be next in the firing line.

I saw his dropping as more of an attitude thing, thats why thinking 2 - 3 weeks might sort him out. To me 1 weeks does not fix his attitude. I reckon the vest might be a bit of a shock this week: Lynch or Hendo. although agree with D-Mac

 

[AFC979810]

I saw his dropping as more of an attitude thing, thats why thinking 2 - 3 weeks might sort him out. To me 1 weeks does not fix his attitude. I reckon the vest might be a bit of a shock this week: Lynch or Hendo. although agree with D-Mac

Absolutely. Although his form wasn't very good in the 1st two games hence him being used as a Sub in the showdown. Hopefully the one week fixes both form and attitude - otherwise he will be having a stint at SANFL level.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I'm a little disappointed to see Vince back in the side. Sando is a bit too soft and it wouldn't surprise me at all if Bernie comes out and has another stinker.

 

[AFC979810]

My other vent is Jaensch.

He played well against the Bulldogs and that just shits me. I don't like him as a player and don't want him in the 22. Very emotive and not a lot of reason behind it since he has gotten progressively better over the past 4 games.

 

[huludicidal]

Absolutely.. but comfortable for a youngster still equates to less output and consistency than a 111 game player, even a lazy one like Vince, can be expected to produce.

Lyons' non-selection wasn't so much about Lyons vs Vince, as it was about Kerridge, Lynch & Laird all coming into the team last week, with one more inexperienced kid being likely to be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

You mean one more inexperienced kid like.... Brad Crouch? All of Crouch, Kerridge, Laird and Brown (our inexperienced kid brigade from last week) were walk up starts this week. I know there's a school of thought that would suggest that Laird may have been dropped if Crouchy hadn't gone down at training, but against the small forwards of Carlton? You've got to be joking. Laird was always playing this game.

Vince being selected over Lyons has everything to do with the selection panel believing Vince is far too talented to be playing in the SANFL, and that he had earned a recall with a quality performance last week for the Eagles. Unfortunately, talent only gets you so far when you have the personality of a self-centred spoilt brat.

It was mentioned above that Lyons should have come in for Crouch as a 'like for like' (both in and under clearance young players). I completely agree. I also agree with the poster from earlier (alex i believe) that you could make an argument that Vince for Porplyzia (outside mids / half forwards) is not a terrible move. But then you had to make a 3rd change by bringing in Smith for a half back / mid, so Jaensch or Mackay (or Laird) would have to make way.

People have been banging on about how good Jaensch was last week to the point where I have accepted that he wasn't in our worst 5 for the day. Laird with his defensive mindset and tackling ability (unlike any of our other smalls who play in the defensive 50) is a great fit for a game against the Blues. Therefore, Mackay for Lyons was the other change that needed to be made. I defended D-Mac last year when people started to question his value to the team, but there's no escaping the fact that he's been absolutely shithouse so far this season. He hasn't even been named on the bench so there's no chance of him being the sub either. Jaensch or Hendo look like wearing the vest IMO.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I agree.. but Porps also needed to be dropped.. so something had to give.

Porps does need a run in the SANFL. It's such a shame too. It wasn't that long ago when his form in the finals was really good. It just seems like Porplyzia was most effective as a marking forward with lethal accuracy. These days he doesn't seem physically capable of playing as a full-time forward so they give him a run in the midfield, which has had mixed results. He just doesn't get as many opportunities to kick goals these days.

 

[Vader]

Lyons is not Crouch - and never will be.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Problem is that West played on Thursday.. before team selections were officially announced.

The Crows knew earlier in the week that Porps would not be picked for the Crows this week, so they should have cleared him to play.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What difference does it make to Porps? His SANFL team has already played this round, so he's not going to get a game either way, whether he's travelling emergency or not.

Johnson & Martin weren't named on the emergency list, so they're not eligible for selection anyway. That just leaves McKernan, whose SANFL form is woeful at best and who is only on the emergency list by default, in case something happens to JJ or Jacobs between Thursday and Saturday afternoon.

I'm suggesting that for better player management, that we would have been better off naming Johnson or Martin as an emergency instead of Porps, so he could be cleared to play for Westies. How is he going to regain touch playing on the sidelines?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

By dropping Johncock and Vince last week, with VB injured, we were down around 500 games experience last week. The team still managed to win and win well, albeit against one of the weakest teams in the competition.

This week we've dropped Porps, who is a 114 game player. The selectors had the option of replacing him with a debutant, or a 111 game player. Unlike last week, we have a serious opponent this week, who could well kick our butts. In the short term, even an average game by the 111 game player is likely to be more productive than a good game by the debutant. In the longer term, the club would probably benefit more in the longer term by continuing the debutant's player development.

At some point you have to reach a tipping point - when the number of rookies in the team is too many and the lack of experience begins to hurt. This is a fine line - between success (as per our game vs Bulldogs) and failure (GC & GWS ongoing inability to win games). We already have 11x players in the team with <50 games experience and just 5x with 100+. Is it wise to alter that mix further, changing the balance to 12 & 4? Is that the tipping point, particularly against a quality opponent such as Carlton?

I can understand why the selectors chose Vince over Lyons. I also think that people throwing hissy fits over this need to grow up and think before they hit the send button. Yes, we'd all like to see Lyons get a game (sooner rather than later), but the selection of Vince this week makes a lot of sense.

Smith & Lyons for Poplyzia & Vince would not have been a significant drop in experience. Swapping 1 experienced/settled player & 1 rookie.

Selecting Vince this week may be better for the short-term, but I'm not convinced it is better for the long-term. Vince has been crap all year, so he just needs to go back for 1 game & he is automatically recalled ... as opposed to Lyons who has been in good form all year. I wanted Vince to really earn his spot & regain the hunger. Recalling him after 1 game means he is more likely to lapse to his lazy ways.

 

[PykeDream]

If Lyons came in and got 6 kicks and 8 handballs for the game it would be heralded as a very solid game for a youngster.

Vince did it in his last game in just over a quarter and has been hated for it. Im not going to dismiss his undisciplined disposal for which he has been duly punished, but please people, a bit of perspective.

That's the thing though, those 14 disposals were absolutely worthless. His intensity was so poor that he basically cost us any chance of a comeback, and against a bunch of kids FFS. You only have to look at Sando's reaction in the box that day. That sort of putrid form and attitude isn't fixed by one week at WWT, where no doubt he is worshipped as a hero by his teammates, fans and club as a whole.

At least we can expect tenacity of the less experienced blokes gunning for a spot.

 

[crowded house]

I have a lot of time for Bernie Vince offensively and am happy with his selection. However i feel that at half time when Bernie hasn't nailed a tackle and is nursing a sore wrist from sticking out one arm to tackle as people streak past him i'll be living in a world of rue.