Changes v Brisbane

[GreyCrow]

If the players in the team perform there won't be any disappointment, if Mackay comes out and gets 25 possessions and JJ 5 goals and we see otten or lynch fail or Galluci or Hampton fail then I have no problem bringing either player in

I don't care who it is they have dropped players because of form they must and will continue to make the same tough calls if we are any chance at a flag

Beveridge did it last year with a couple of big names it's a ballsy call but no favourites, like the BF board can be

Called it at the start of the year form is the biggest factor


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Correct and incorrect. Form has to be consistent. You cant just choose a player after 1 week of 25 possies or 5 goals in the SANFL if you have dropped them for form reasons.

 

[1970crow]

It's not lament.

Personally Galluci hasn't excited me, you've obviously seen more promise than I have.

Hopefully I'm wrong and you and the club are right.

I think the middle part of the last sentence is a given.

 

[marty36]

Correct and incorrect. Form has to be consistent. You cant just choose a player after 1 week of 25 possies or 5 goals in the SANFL if you have dropped them for form reasons.

Fair enough, there needs to be a line though , but if you have say Menzel getting 2 possesions in the A's like he did then piss off back to the B's and depending on who is lucky enough to be tearing it up in the two's at the time, I would bring them in . Hampton is spudding it up ATM and has been for most of the year, Wigg, Beech o maybe even Mackay may get his gig, I dont care none of them play like Rory Sloane, they are all on par depending who is in the best form, Mackay has far more experience and can handle AFL, the other two are unknown, but Wigg would be my choice

 

[Danger in Texas]

We are seriously missing the inside grunt that Scott Thompson used to provide. I'm not suggesting that Thompson should be selected - he's completely cooked - but we do need to find someone who is capable of performing his role. I'm not sure that such a player currently exists on our team list (Poholke?), and Bryce Gibbs certainly isn't the answer when we start looking at outside recruitment.

IMO Brouch is the key. He simply needs to become more effective. When Sloane gets tagged out of the game, he needs to stand up, as we know he CAN be dangerous. He's providing the grunt, but not being effective at all. I'm confident he'll be better for the run, however.

 

[1970crow]

Our track record for developing lowish pick draftees is pretty damn good. If Wigg hasn't got a game, surely some of the blame lands on him too?

I do agree that the club should at least play him in the AFL and see what he has got, but there would be reasons (If they're good reasons i can't be sure of)

I won't complain about Wigg not getting a game until Thommo is selected ahead of him.

 

[marty36]

I won't complain about Wigg not getting a game until Thommo is selected ahead of him.

If wigg doesnt get a game he is going down Griggs path at year end along with Beech

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Wigg should have played the Gold Coast and St Kilda games instead of van Berlo last season. Was a very short-sighted call.

 

[1970crow]

That's taking it a bit too far.

Last year his form was very good in the SANFL and we should have given him the opportunity at AFL whilst he had the confidence up.

This year we played him in 2 JLT games, got a heap of the ball but burnt it. Based on that he seems destined to not play one AFL game.

This for a player picked in the 40s and has been on our list for 3 years. What a waste of a pick and 3 years and not even given him one game to see what he can do.

I don't think Gooch getting a go ahead of him means he'll never play a game for us. There's 2 mids in the side who are definitely unproven, in 2-3 weeks one of them might be sent back to the 2's. If Thommo or Dmac return to the side ahead of him then I'll agree he's done at our club.

 

[Vader]

Wigg should have played the Gold Coast and St Kilda games instead of van Berlo last season. Was a very short-sighted call.

I agreed with this call at the time. Maybe we're now seeing why it didn't happen - the coaches just don't rate Wigg that highly, and couldn't justify selecting him as a result?

 

[Vader]

IMO Brouch is the key. He simply needs to become more effective. When Sloane gets tagged out of the game, he needs to stand up, as we know he CAN be dangerous. He's providing the grunt, but not being effective at all. I'm confident he'll be better for the run, however.

Brouch & Hampton both have to significantly lift their games. Brouch moreso, because he's the more talented player.

 

[Elite Crow]

Fair enough, there needs to be a line though , but if you have say Menzel getting 2 possesions in the A's like he did then piss off back to the B's and depending on who is lucky enough to be tearing it up in the two's at the time, I would bring them in . Hampton is spudding it up ATM and has been for most of the year, Wigg, Beech o maybe even Mackay may get his gig, I dont care none of them play like Rory Sloane, they are all on par depending who is in the best form, Mackay has far more experience and can handle AFL, the other two are unknown, but Wigg would be my choice

But can Mackay handle big games? Or playing well for more than 6 games a year?

 

[rezagun]

Its my guess wigg has been told to work on his defensive pressure and 2 way running. We wont pick him until this improves significantly. His ability to find the footy is his strength along with his left foot which has been a disappointment this season. Stuck in no mans land.

 

[1970crow]

Not sure what to make of this week's changes. Some good, some bad.

I like the selections of Greenwood and Gallucci. Greenwood has earned his promotion, and Gallucci clearly has bucketloads more talent than Wigg. It's good to see the club finally taking the opportunity (a game against Brisbane) to blood some new players. It seems almost radical after the selection policies of the previous 32 games under Pyke.

I have no problems with the dropping of Mackay and JJ. Neither player has impressed in the last couple of weeks, and their omissions are entirely justifiable. Mackay's season is following the same trajectory as his 2015 & 2016 season - starting in a blaze of glory lasting about a month, followed by a rapid descent into the mediocrity which has defined his career. JJ simply has no ability to perform under duress. His ribs might be fine from a medical perspective, but they're clearly still causing him pain - and JJ just doesn't perform when he's not at 100%.

Having said that, neither Mackay nor JJ are the reason(s) why we lost to North & Melbourne in such disgraceful circumstances. There are many causes, but the biggest of these is that our inside midfield is slightly softer than a well roasted marshmallow. Brouch & Hampton are, in my opinion, very fortunate indeed that the club chose to scapegoat an outside mid & a tall forward, when our biggest issue is non-performing inside mids.

We are seriously missing the inside grunt that Scott Thompson used to provide. I'm not suggesting that Thompson should be selected - he's completely cooked - but we do need to find someone who is capable of performing his role. I'm not sure that such a player currently exists on our team list (Poholke?), and Bryce Gibbs certainly isn't the answer when we start looking at outside recruitment.

The changes they've made this week are nice, but all they've done is change the icing on the cake, while the cake itself remains rotten inside.

Brouch got it 26 times from 66% TOG. His issue is only a bit of composure with the footy, which is imminent. As I've already posted, I'd like to see him challenged to get caught holding the ball once per quarter because he needs to change his mindset with regards to how much time he has with the ball. Dropping him would be idiotic because at the moment it's only him and his brother who are actually getting their hands on the pill in the contest.

 

[rezagun]

But can Mackay handle big games?

No

 

[Elite Crow]

I agreed with this call at the time. Maybe we're now seeing why it didn't happen - the coaches just don't rate Wigg that highly, and couldn't justify selecting him as a result?

And they overrated a senior player

 

[hey shorty]

No, he is a line breaker (Mackay's thing apparently) and our highest selection last year and like Milera last year, needs to get a game. Just happens we're playing the bottom team. I doubt this would have happened if we were facing Geelong this weekend. I don't think everyone should get too excited just yet.

I was being a bit ironic, I agree totally with you

 

[Simmo28]

So is JJ playing in the SANFL team?


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[1970crow]

Wigg should have played the Gold Coast and St Kilda games instead of van Berlo last season. Was a very short-sighted call.

That's true, but I can understand the club giving their 200 game, ex-captain one last crack before ruling a permanent line through his name. The other factor was that he'd been playing half back, both Laird and Brown were injured and Wigg had spent the entire year playing as an inside mid. The bigger mistake was taking him as an emergency when the SANFL had a bye the next weekend. Should have taken Grigg or CEY and told Wigg the only reason he wasn't going was because he's currently next in and they didn't want him missing 2 weeks in a row.

 

[GreyCrow]

I agreed with this call at the time. Maybe we're now seeing why it didn't happen - the coaches just don't rate Wigg that highly, and couldn't justify selecting him as a result?

Chicken/egg argument for me. If you/we thought he was good enough last year then you/we cant make excuses as to why he wasnt selected this year. This years reasons may come down to wanting to see what Greenwood and Galluci can do now rather than Wigg. It might be positional.

The one who should be confused is Beech. Gets upgraded presumably for JJ, JJ finally goes back out and someone else gets a spot.

 

[Slippery Pete]

And they overrated a senior player

Those eight games we got into Mackay will serve the club well.

 

[1970crow]

If wigg doesnt get a game he is going down Griggs path at year end along with Beech

Not necessarily. If Hampton goes to the outside and performs and so do Thor and Gooch, then there's no reason he can't be retained. But if Thommo gets past him, I agree, he's done, not sure about Poholke though. A club needs at least 2 solid depth midfielders. Right now it looks like all we have is Wigg and Poholke plus a recovering CEY and there's 2 guys ahead of them who are debuting, so are entirely unproven. If we trade in a B+ mid, which is likely, he might be in a bit of trouble. Only Thommo is a certain delisting, CEY probable and it gets harder from there. Actually, thinking about potential delistings and given he's not named as an emergency, he's probably gone at year's end.

 

[TrainRoo32]

Has Galluci shown enormous promise?

I was under the belief Poholke would get a go before Galluci

 

[1970crow]

And they overrated a senior player

It was VB's last chance saloon.

 

[Vader]

Chicken/egg argument for me. If you/we thought he was good enough last year then you/we cant make excuses as to why he wasnt selected this year. This years reasons may come down to wanting to see what Greenwood and Galluci can do now rather than Wigg. It might be positional.

I disagree - I don't think it's chicken/egg at all. Last year we wondered why Wigg didn't get a shot. Now we have a bit more information, and it's looking increasingly likely that they just didn't rate him.

Last year we thought he was the best performed of our SANFL players at the time. We've always known though that the KPIs the club uses to assess performance are different to those used by BF supporters - who mostly focus on disposals, DE, and (sadly) DT/SC scores. Based on BF's KPIs, Wigg looked a certainty. Based on the club's KPI's, it's a different story entirely.

Pyke has shown a ruthless streak when it comes to players that he doesn't think are good enough. Grigg & Lyons are gone, and CEY barely played a game in 2016. Wigg is another player in this group - a BF favourite, who just doesn't (and didn't) cut the mustard in the eyes of the coach.

They clearly think Gallucci has talent. He was a 1st round draft pick, and he's been a regular selection on the emergency list for the last 2 months. They clearly rate him on potential, because he really doesn't have many runs on the board yet at SANFL level. The last player they backed in like this was Milera, and they rarely get it wrong when fast tracking a youngster. I'll back them on that basis.

Greenwood has consistently been our best SANFL player this year, and he has the mongrel/attitude/competitive spirit that Brouch (in particular) appears to lack. I like his selection. I like it a lot.

The one who should be confused is Beech. Gets upgraded presumably for JJ, JJ finally goes back out and someone else gets a spot.

Meh.. that was a month ago. Greenwood has consistenly outperformed him since then, and thoroughly deserves his opportunity.

I think Beech's upgrade was a reward for effort, rather than a likely team selection. Unlike Greenwood, I don't think his ceiling is high enough to make him an AFL player with a long career. Beech can maybe feel a bit hard done by, but selecting Greenwood ahead of him was the right decision to make.

 

[Scorpus]

Gallucci showed a lot more than Wigg in both the SANFL and JLT in my opinion. He's a combination of Dahlhaus and Douglas. Smooth moves in close, good defensive work, neat skills, pace. Has been finding it more and more at SANFL level since the JLT as well. Seems to play our system well.

Wigg is a ball winner and that's it. No pace, elite kick doesn't exist, doesn't apply much pressure. He's in the Grigg mold of an outside midfielder with few weapons being shoehorned into an inside role. Pretty disappointed with his skills in the JLT and SANFL, he just can't execute under minimal or even no pressure. I don't want that sort of player in the side.

Gallucci is a far more talented player and I'm over the moon we've backed in genuine talent over a guy who only seems good on a stat sheet