Prediction Changes v Carlton Round 8

[VogonProsthetnic]

His vfl game after he was dropped was deplorable. Keeps turning it over.

He played in the VFL like you’d epect him to play after being inexplicably dropped. He was excellent in Ballarat. Cordy is too short and too slow for the position and an average kick. Why is he being played?

 

[Oliver G]

Final stats from the VFL have been pushed by CD. Hayes jumped up from 24 touches to 30 and some other changes were made on review...

 

[immortalmike]

Can we delist Schache now? Uncompetitive.

I'd give West another week.

 

[Mattdougie]

Out

Schache - can you delist mid season?
Lipi - too slow too soft
JJ - lost
West - wow that was a poor game

In

English
Wallis - at least he will try
VDM - if fit
Debut - Juh, Garcia or Buku

 

[BEaston]

Surely we’re not dropping West lol, give him a chance with a few weeks at least, Scott played 5 worse games

I agree, I wouldn't drop West but Scott hasn't played as bad as West did on Friday. Horrendous.

Senior players proven not up to standard should go out before West who just needs to adjust.

JJ, Cordy, Schache all out for me.

I still had hopes for Schache, he's an amazing tease. Could be so good with his tools but I'm putting my black texta through his name after that game. Just doesn't have the desire.

 

[lachy]

So MD no McNeil based on stats we both know are not relevant. He provides pressure has spread and is developing into a Tigers like pressure small forward? The only game we lost and dropped on pressure he was not there.

Agree on Schache and JJ think they are both gone.

English also has to come in with McNeil.

Not like for like and is a risk but would bring in Khamis for Cordy, we play a zone defence anyway.

Out

Schache - can you delist mid season?
Lipi - too slow too soft
JJ - lost
West - wow that was a poor game

In

English
Wallis - at least he will try
VDM - if fit
Debut - Juh, Garcia or Buku

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[Mattdougie]

So MD no McNeil based on stats we both know are not relevant. He provides pressure has spread and is developing into a Tigers like pressure small forward? The only game we lost and dropped on pressure he was not there.

Agree on Schache and JJ think they are both gone.

English also has to come in with McNeil.


Not like for like and is a risk but would bring in Khamis for Cordy, we play a zone defence anyway.



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Sorry I’m not playing a bloke purely because he can pressure week in week out.

If he comes in meh but he does zero for me

Not sure who not hitting the scoreboard isn’t relevant

 

[Bazza Bulldog]

What MD said, except with a definitive debut ...

Out

Schache
Lipi
JJ
West

In

English
Wallis
VDM
Debut - Garcia

I'd consider Sweet for Martin also. Not sure Martin offers much more and v Pittonet, Sweet would be worth another look.

 

[Maverick Dog]

Drop the player who had the second most clearances for us while playing the least amount of time in the mid. Had 23 disposals. He had more clearances than Bont, Smith, Treloar and equaled Macrae. The hate for Lipi just amazes me. Bont was worse than Lipi. He turned it over all night and missed a goal from 12 metres directly in front. Lipi is not quick and his defensive game is improving. Unfortunately he,hit the post from 45 out. I have watched him closely this year to see if any of the negative comments are valid and I have to disagree

 

[BRWB]

Drop the player who had the second most clearances for us while playing the least amount of time in the mid. Had 23 disposals. He had more clearances than Bont, Smith, Treloar and equaled Macrae. The hate for Lipi just amazes me. Bont was worse than Lipi. He turned it over all night and missed a goal from 12 metres directly in front. Lipi is not quick and his defensive game is improving. Unfortunately he,hit the post from 45 out. I have watched him closely this year to see if any of the negative comments are valid and I have to disagree

Lipi was one on One for a.ground ball late in the Game. Never going to win it.

Sheedy used to teach competiveness by kicking a ball 50m away and telling two playi to go get it. Lipi would rarely get the ball when stacked up against any mid in the league IMO. In hot.games he will let us down IMO. BONT had a shit.game but was also BN F in a flag yr and stands up more often than not.

Having said that I'd keep Lipi in but that's the problem with him. Reminds me.of.Gia and Eagleton. Good.home.and away players who were repeatedly found out in hot games.

 

[Maverick Dog]

Lipi strength is his elite hands and vision in close and his ability to extract a clearance. His decision making and skills are elite. JJ would beat all our mids bar Treloar in the 50m chase and get so do not think it is relevant. You ask LIBBA and Dunks to play on the wing and they are ineffective because they are inside mids. Lipi is a inside mid but who has elite skills etc. Because Libba and Dunks are so good but also similiar speed to Lipi he does not get the opportunity. He is played on the wing or HFF where he needs to improve his endurance a little more as those positions require more gut running.

He is still easily best 22 and hopefully will get some more inside time to show his attribute.

I don’t see any comparison between Gia, eagleton and Lipi. The only similarity is they we’re highly skilled

 

[immortalmike]

Lipi strength is his elite hands and vision in close and his ability to extract a clearance. His decision making and skills are elite. JJ would beat all our mids bar Treloar in the 50m chase and get so do not think it is relevant. You ask LIBBA and Dunks to play on the wing and they are ineffective because they are inside mids. Lipi is a inside mid but who has elite skills etc. Because Libba and Dunks are so good but also similiar speed to Lipi he does not get the opportunity. He is played on the wing or HFF where he needs to improve his endurance a little more as those positions require more gut running.

He is still easily best 22 and hopefully will get some more inside time to show his attribute.

I don’t see any comparison between Gia, eagleton and Lipi. The only similarity is they we’re highly skilled

Gia was a gun inside mid that was forced to play forward because we had nowhere else to play Boyd and Cross. Think there's actually quite a few similarities with Lipinski.
Also like Gia, Lipinski has a few armchair experts calling him soft without watching his actual game.

 

[AFDogs]

OUT: Schache, JJ, Cordy

IN: English, Wallis, Young

If Wallis can't get a look in this week then his season is pretty much done. JJ medical sub.

 

[huddo#9]

Out : Schache, Cordy, JJ/West
In : English, JUH, Young/Weightman or Garcia

Just play Jamarra, if Bruce hadn't kicked the ten against Norf it would have already happened. This would allow, if required one of Bruce or Astro to go back.
Re West, he has been the best player over a number of weeks in the VFL and clearly deserved his opportunity. Wouldnt be surprised if they drop him, but be ok with it if they gave him another crack. We are just missing a good small crumbing forward, Weightman was drafted as this, so they say.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Out : Schache, Cordy, JJ/West
In : English, JUH, Young/Weightman or Garcia

Just play Jamarra, if Bruce hadn't kicked the ten against Norf it would have already happened. This would allow, if required one of Bruce or Astro to go back.
Re West, he has been the best player over a number of weeks in the VFL and clearly deserved his opportunity. Wouldnt be surprised if they drop him, but be ok with it if they gave him another crack. We are just missing a good small crumbing forward, Weightman was drafted as this, so they say.

I think Weightman isn’t quick enough

 

[AFDogs]

Just play Jamarra, if Bruce hadn't kicked the ten against Norf it would have already happened.

Disagree. Bruce is in decent form. Isn't a superstar, this is the most output you'll get from him (avg. 2 or 3 goals per game). But he is ahead of Jamarra right now.

 

[Deadly Darcy]

Who plays on McKay? We are at risk of seeing yet another Carlton forwards day out against us - he’s in fine form. If we send Cordy to him we are DOA.

I’d be playing English back in defence every chance we get this week. Have to cut off the tall ball going in. No point playing Cordy - Keath, Wood and English for the chop out for me.

Out: Cordy, Schache, West
In: English, JUH, Wallis

 

[AFDogs]

Who plays on McKay? We are at risk of seeing yet another Carlton forwards day out against us - he’s in fine form. If we send Cordy to him we are DOA.

I’d be playing English back in defence every chance we get this week. Have to cut off the tall ball going in. No point playing Cordy - Keath, Wood and English for the chop out for me.

Out: Cordy, Schache, West
In: English, JUH, Wallis

Keath to McKay.

 

[ossie_21]

Who plays on McKay? We are at risk of seeing yet another Carlton forwards day out against us - he’s in fine form. If we send Cordy to him we are DOA.

I’d be playing English back in defence every chance we get this week. Have to cut off the tall ball going in. No point playing Cordy - Keath, Wood and English for the chop out for me.

Out: Cordy, Schache, West
In: English, JUH, Wallis

His form doesn’t matter when he plays us.

He’s the regeneration of prime Wayne Carey against us

 

[Dogsman16]

Looking at our draw this is a must win game.

6 weeks after that we play Port (away), Stk , Melb, Freo (away), Geel (away), Eagles (away).

We start favourite in maybe 1 max 2 of those games.

We could be mid table before we know it. Cannot afford to drop this. Midfield need to fire all game.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

I wouldn't be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There was a lot of fatigue in that game, too many players just out of sorts, and the burden of the win streak. I'm not too worried about the showing, but there are a few changes that simply have to be made.

Schache must go out and with English hopefully back, it's logical.

I see West as being in the same boat. Maybe harsh, but while I can tolerate poor games from youngsters on their first game in a while, I can't cop selfish and undisciplined games. I am sure MC will back him in but his effort left me extremely frustrated.

JJ is just not offering much at all at the moment. I don't know what's up with him but it's hard to believe we wouldn't get more from someone else (McNeil? Butler?).

Pick your poison with Young or Cordy. Do you want to get beaten on 100% of leads with Cordy, or 100% of 1v1s with Young? We miss Gardner and I hope this board is starting to realise why he's so much better than our other options.

Haven't watched VFL so not sure who comes in. As long as we don't play Wallis in the midfield I'm content.

 

[Rocketsurgery]

I wouldn't be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There was a lot of fatigue in that game, too many players just out of sorts, and the burden of the win streak. I'm not too worried about the showing, but there are a few changes that simply have to be made.

Schache must go out and with English hopefully back, it's logical.

I see West as being in the same boat. Maybe harsh, but while I can tolerate poor games from youngsters on their first game in a while, I can't cop selfish and undisciplined games. I am sure MC will back him in but his effort left me extremely frustrated.

JJ is just not offering much at all at the moment. I don't know what's up with him but it's hard to believe we wouldn't get more from someone else (McNeil? Butler?).

Pick your poison with Young or Cordy. Do you want to get beaten on 100% of leads with Cordy, or 100% of 1v1s with Young? We miss Gardner and I hope this board is starting to realise why he's so much better than our other options.

Haven't watched VFL so not sure who comes in. As long as we don't play Wallis in the midfield I'm content.

I agree with you on West. Seems harsh to drop him but it was a very poor game. I'd bring in Cody Weightman. Played well again in the vfl this weekend and has been very good in all footscray games. He kicked 2 goals but should have had 4 if not for a couple of wayward set shots. Has a bit more speed than West and his work rate and pressure up forward has been impressive. Has a bit of mongrel too.

Garcia also good but playing more as a mid

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[Sharkey66]

I agree with you on West. Seems harsh to drop him but it was a very poor game. I'd bring in Cody Weightman. Played well again in the vfl this weekend and has been very good in all footscray games. He kicked 2 goals but should have had 4 if not for a couple of wayward set shots. Has a bit more speed than West and his work rate and pressure up forward has been impressive. Has a bit of mongrel too.

Garcia also good but playing more as a mid

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I think we need some continuity in the side, too many changes lately. As selfish as Wests game was, he had earned his spot and needs the chance to be able to redeem himself. Looks like he went into the game with the wrong mindset, would have been spoken to about it so lets see if he takes the criticism on board.
Schache is different though, has had his chances and blew it, out for English.
Cordy stays in for mine, take his experience over Youngs schache like efforts.
What to do with JJ though. On his efforts he deserves to be dropped, but a game v the blues could suit him.

English for Schache
JJ for Garcia or JJ for Khamis with Caleb moving up the ground.

 

[VitalDread]

Out:
JJ, Schache, Scott (if hurt)
In:
English, Hayes, Wallis (if Scott is hurt)

 

[fred cook]

Out:
JJ, Schache, Scott (if hurt)
In:
English, Hayes, Wallis (if Scott is hurt)

sorry Vital Hayes is a ball butcher and he is the last thing we need at the moment I watched Wallis in the seconds on Saturday had a heap of the ball but ddid not impress me to much