Changes v. Collingwood

[ThePuppetMaster]

In Frawley Mackenzie Newton

Out Jones INJ Miller Watts

apart from that travesty i agree with your other changes

 

[davey_magik]

Why are people hating on Warnocks game?

Aside from a silly free kick at the start of the game I don't think o'Hailpin beat him ONCE (o'Hailpin didn't kick a goal).

Warnock isn't a great user of the ball and can turn it over but his defending is always solid. He isn't a great stopper, but he is a good one.

 

[RPetterd15]

IN: McKenzie, Frawley, Dunn, Johnson
OUT: Jones, Rivers, Miller, McDonald(if injured badly enough)/Garland

 

[Mijhaa]

In - Dunn, Frawley, McKenzie, Macdonald

Out - Miller, Garland, Jones(if injured), McDonald(if injured)

Watts given one more chance before being given a spell at Casey - hopefully he can recapture a bit of the form and confidence he showed against West Coast and for the first half of the Port game.

 

[Fight For It]

Backs: Bartram, Frawley, Bruce
Half backs: Grimes, McNamara, McDonald
Centreline: Jetta, Trengove, Davey
Half forwards: Bail, Dunn, Scully
Forwards: Bennell, Green, Bate
Followers: Jamar, Moloney, Sylvia
I/C: Morton, Watts, Gysberts, Garland

Out: Jones (inj), Miller (shit), Rivers, Warnock

In: Bail, Dunn, McNamara, Frawley

- I'd like to give Tommy Mac a chance to show what he can do and I'm getting tired of the stupid aggression of Warnock that gives away frees trying to intimidate his opponent, beat him in the contest that will intimidate him not huffing and puffing with your chest out.

- If Jones has done his hammy then I'm backing the pace of Bail to see what he can do with stints on the ball.

- Miller completely banished from training, playing and even setting foot near the Melbourne Football Club, Dunn to come in and play forward.

- Rivers for Frawley, no explanation needed.

- If Junior doesn't get up for the game after these reports of soreness then I'd replace him with McKenzie.

- I would also seriously consider Watts out for Martin to play as a legit second ruckman not a forward pinch hitting in the ruck, this would allow Jamar to get a decent break and Dunn to stay up forward.

Surely you meant McKenzie and not Bail? Pretty sure Bail is still injured, and hasn't managed a proper game for Casey seniors yet.


OUT: Miller, Rivers/Garland (Rivers can't play small, but did better than Garland this week), Jones (inj), Capitan (if inj)

IN: 8-Man, Chip, Jordie, If the Cap'n is injured a small defender probably (Cheney most deserving, or else MacDonald or Strauss)


I think Garland is showing the wear and tear of having been thrown straight back into senior football, and could use some time in the 2's.

 

[KTLK]

Backs: Bartram, Frawley, Bruce
Half backs: Grimes, McNamara, McDonald
Centreline: Jetta, Trengove, Davey
Half forwards: Bail, Dunn, Scully
Forwards: Bennell, Green, Bate
Followers: Jamar, Moloney, Sylvia
I/C: Morton, Watts, Gysberts, Garland

Out: Jones (inj), Miller (shit), Rivers, Warnock

In: Bail, Dunn, McNamara, Frawley

- I'd like to give Tommy Mac a chance to show what he can do and I'm getting tired of the stupid aggression of Warnock that gives away frees trying to intimidate his opponent, beat him in the contest that will intimidate him not huffing and puffing with your chest out.

- If Jones has done his hammy then I'm backing the pace of Bail to see what he can do with stints on the ball.

- Miller completely banished from training, playing and even setting foot near the Melbourne Football Club, Dunn to come in and play forward.

- Rivers for Frawley, no explanation needed.

- If Junior doesn't get up for the game after these reports of soreness then I'd replace him with McKenzie.

- I would also seriously consider Watts out for Martin to play as a legit second ruckman not a forward pinch hitting in the ruck, this would allow Jamar to get a decent break and Dunn to stay up forward.

Sorry Dez,

McNamara ahead of McKenzie?

Didn't you said before that McKenzie should be automatic selected because he is one of the leading tacklers in the team?

Bartram had a shocker and deserve to be axed !

 

[KTLK]

In: McKenzie Frawley MacDonald Dunn

Out: Jones (If inj) McDonald (if Inj) Bartram Miller

B: Macdonald Frawley Warnock
HB: McKenzie Rivers Bruce
C: Grimes Moloney Morton
HF: Sylvia Watts Bate
F: Dunn Green Bennell
Ruck: Jamar Trengove Davey
Inter: Scully Gysberts Jetta Garland
Emer: Bail Newton Strauss

Bail and Newton are other options.

 

[Dez!]

Sorry Dez,

McNamara ahead of McKenzie?

Didn't you said before that McKenzie should be automatic selected because he is one of the leading tacklers in the team?

Bartram had a shocker and deserve to be axed !

I'm going to go ahead and assume you don't know who McNamara is and what position he plays.

McNamara is a 190cm defender who I wouldn't mind bringing in for Warnock (a 192cm defender), unless you want McKenzie (a 186cm midfielder) playing as a key position defender?



I'd love to get McKenzie in but if Jones is out I'd like to try some variety in the midfield by adding the pace of Bail, it's too one paced.

If Junior McDonald doesn't come up then I'd bring in his like for like replacement in Jordie McKenzie.

Bartram has been very good this season and does not deserve to be axed after one poor performance.

 

[master bate]

Bartram has been very good this season and does not deserve to be axed after one poor performance.

Bartram was extremely good on the dangerous Garlett, but again turned it over. I think at some stage we will have to make the call to bring in Strauss and concede a couple of goals with his looser checking on his opponent, but get some better disposal from the backline (or at least develop some for the future). Maybe not this week, but soon.

 

[Andy_Mac]

Bartram will hold his spot this week. One "bad" game will not get you chopped.

For mine:

Out
Jones (inj), Miller, Garland

In
McKenzie, Dunn, Frawley

Is JMac misses then we might look at Bail but I would suggest it would be more likely to be Cheney or Strauss with the view to release Grimes into the midfield.

FB: Bartram Warnock Rivers
HB: Grimes Frawley Bruce
C: Trengove JMac Morton
HF: Sylvia Bate Dunn
FF: Bennell Watts Green
Fol.: Jamar Moloney Davey

Int: Scully Gysberts McKenzie Jetta

 

[Ageing Demon]

Yes Dez I think you are close to the mark however Martin will not get a run his form at Casey has been very ordinary.

Out: Jones , Mcdonald Both are probaly injured. Millar, Watts and perhaps Jetta ( he leaves me cold )
In: Dunn, Frawley (if ok )Mckenzie and wait for it PJ
I do not think he has a future however he is the only one who can handle centre bounces. With Injuries to Spencer and Messon there is no one else.
Without a back up ruckman we will not beat Collingwood! when Jamar is in the ruck take PJ him off as there is nowhere to hide him on the ground.
Why don't we try Warnock / Garland in the forward line?
There are plenty of spots for them!

 

[LITTLE STINGA]

Bartram will hold his spot this week. One "bad" game will not get you chopped.

How did he play a bad game exactly? He kept a player who was BOG the week before quiet. He does his job, we all know he let's himself down with his disposal by hand or foot on too many occasions but he's not the only one.
He gives more to the team than Bruce. I think our backline is too slow and too tall until we can get a better balance I think we will struggle. I think Bartram is the last of our problems.

 

[eskimo]

Surely Dunn will come in this week on the back of 8 goals for Casey.

Bartram has to stay in. Did a great job on Davis in rd2. Garlett hardly touched it on the weekend. The hatred for Bartram is rediculous. Sure, his disposal wasn't great on the weekend, but if you looked at the whole team we were running at 49% at almost half time, so it certainly wasn't just Bartram.

With Jones and Jmac probably missing through injury we will need a ball winner, McKenzie, and I think take the opportunity to add some pace through the middle. Would like to see maybe Strauss play on the wing but don't think it will happen. I'm pretty sure Bail is still returning from injury. After he was out of the senior team, he came back to Casey and got injured again.

Bailey and Co. will soon have to realise we are too tall in defence. I think we should take this opportunity to play either Garland or Rivers forward, with either Strauss or Cheney taking their place down back. We seriously lack something up forward, and will continue to all year. Our defence has been good, but it is definately too tall. Whilst we are still developing we should try and fix the forward line somewhat.

We need to persist with Watts. He should play all year from now on. He is going to improve quicker in the senior team, and the sooner he can start playing good consistent footy for Melbourne the better we will be overall.

B: Strauss, Warnock, Bartram
HB: Grimes, Frawley, Bruce
C: Morton, Moloney, Davey
HF: Sylvia, Bate, Watts
F: Bennell, Dunn, Green
R: Jamar, McKenzie, Scully
INT: The Jizz, Aussie, Trengove, Garland


Jetta unlucky to miss from my team, but we need the pressure up forward that Aussie gave us against Port and Geelong. He was pretty much the only player to lay a tackle in our forward 50 against the Cats, and the lack of pressure really showed against the Blues. I wouldn't be adverse to Jetta playing though, especially with his pace. Also in my team would like to see Garland played forward, with maybe Bennell rotated up onto the wing and playing through the middle for a bit of extra pace.

 

[Andy_Mac]

How did he play a bad game exactly? He kept a player who was BOG the week before quiet. He does his job, we all know he let's himself down with his disposal by hand or foot on too many occasions but he's not the only one.
He gives more to the team than Bruce. I think our backline is too slow and too tall until we can get a better balance I think we will struggle. I think Bartram is the last of our problems.

Hence my use of the talking marks around “bad”. It’s entirely subjective; I for one think he was fine.

And yes you are right about balance. We cannot play: MacDonald, Garland, Rivers, Warnock and Frawley all in the same backline. IMO and putting their current form aside we should have Warnock Frawley and Garland as our tall defenders with Bruce, Bartram and Grimes playing on the smalls, and Bruce to be replaced with Strauss eventually.

 

[Fight For It]

One other thing, I think the club might be a bit hesistant to bring in any youngsters for their first game(s) of the season (as in Strauss or Cheney), since queen's birthday can be pretty daunting.

 

[d33my]

i.e. last year...

 

[Crusty Demon]

In: Frawley(automatic if fit)
McKenzie(need someone who can tackle and play tight)
Dunn(Kicked 8 goals and we need goals asap, can help in the ruck)
MacDonald(did a good job on cloke earlier in the year)

Out: Jones(injured)
McDonald(Injured)
Garland(needs a spell)
Miller(2 shockers in a row)

I'd be happy to see Strauss or Cheney get a game as well, but not sure who we would drop. Both Bruce and Bartram are playing well. They will get there chance eventually. Would also like to see some creativeness from the coaches box this week as well. Maybe Grimes in the middle, or Rivers up forward. Try something different, anything Bailey please....

 

[Dez!]

One other thing, I think the club might be a bit hesistant to bring in any youngsters for their first game(s) of the season (as in Strauss or Cheney), since queen's birthday can be pretty daunting.

Thank God Strauss played round 1 then.

 

[Fight For It]

I said first game(s)

Strauss has only played 2, and they were both 10 weeks ago, so If I were him and I had to run out onto the G in front of 70k+ I'd be Hawthorning myself.


Yes I know the Hawthorn joke is a few weeks too late, but its hard to pick another team to fit it to

 

[LITTLE STINGA]

One other thing, I think the club might be a bit hesistant to bring in any youngsters for their first game(s) of the season (as in Strauss or Cheney), since queen's birthday can be pretty daunting.

Honestly we have to get over this Queen's Birthday rubbish. I would have thought that we would want to see our kids handle pressure not be hidden from it.

 

[Fight For It]

Sure, but not all kids are drafted with the idea that they'll be able to handle immense pressure in their first couple of seasons and games.

I'd hate to see someone like Strauss have an absolute shocker (being outbodied and outclassed by one of Collingwood's small-medium forwards), and have it put a serious dent in his confidence. That sort of thing could slow down a player's growth as a footballer, which we definitely don't want.

 

[Gazza_11]

Or we could just leave them out. Sure that'll do wonders for their confidence

 

[Ageing Demon]

Eskimo surely you jest we have a poor forward line but you want to leave Jack Watts in all year no matter how he plays!
No player should be played all year if they are playing badly.
Why can any player be dropped through poor form except one player who happens to Pick no. 1?
To play Jack Watts if he was playing badly week after week would do more to destroy him than anything that is said on this site that he would never read.
The Press would destroy him.
I suspect he is not good enough but that would be the cruelest think I can imagine.
He is a kid for gods sake after some mercy.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Eskimo surely you jest we have a poor forward line but you want to leave Jack Watts in all year no matter how he plays!
No player should be played all year if they are playing badly.
Why can any player be dropped through poor form except one player who happens to Pick no. 1?
To play Jack Watts if he was playing badly week after week would do more to destroy him than anything that is said on this site that he would never read.
The Press would destroy him.
I suspect he is not good enough but that would be the cruelest think I can imagine.
He is a kid for gods sake after some mercy.

there are people at the club who help manage players... sports psychologists, they help manage a players expectation of themselves and they help them when they are out of form... the coaches will be telling watts that they have faith in him.... Watts NEEDS time to adjust to AFL level... if he is playing terribly for 4 weeks then sure give him as spell... but dont drop him if he is playing alright at the least

 

[eskimo]

If he has 2 or 3 absolute shockers in a row then yeah he should probably go back to Casey. But we are still developing players this year, and he will develop much faster in the AFL than the VFL. If he is at least presenting well, and starting to find his place in the team, even if his output isn't the greatest, then yes, he is the exception to the rule.

Our forward line is pretty crap. Hence why we are sometimes scoring only 60 points in a game. Watts, if everything goes to plan, will be one of the major keys to our next premiership, like it or not. The sooner he can start to get to the level we all hope, the better. He make take a battering in the media, but he is level headed kid, and will have to deal with that for the next 10+ years, no point sugar coating it now. He will cop less criticism playing poorly in the first, than poorly in the VFL.

I can see the headlines now if he had a shocker at Casey.