Preview Changes v Essendon

[Scham]

I rate Langdon, don't see why he shouldn't be a solid AFL footballer.

Totally agree. His first season in the system was first class, both at Peel and in the few games that he played at the top level.

He's been a bit hot and cold this year but it is his second year and he's been asked to play that high half forward role that has proven hard for even experienced players to get loads of the ball and stand out. He's definitely got what it takes to make it, that's for sure.

 

[meima]

Totally agree. His first season in the system was first class, both at Peel and in the few games that he played at the top level.

He's been a bit hot and cold this year but it is his second year and he's been asked to play that high half forward role that has proven hard for even experienced players to get loads of the ball and stand out. He's definitely got what it takes to make it, that's for sure.

As 50 something draft pick I think he doing just ok , can't believe he is rated higher then grey consider his disposal is also average. Then again Ross rates d.pearce highly.

 

[theGav56]

Motorsports. Table tennis. CS:GO.

Diving, fishing, surfing, pretty much all swimming, curling, woodchopping, hang gliding, polo, mountain climbing, weight lifting. So many.

 

[theGav56]

As 50 something draft pick I think he doing just ok , can't believe he is rated higher then grey consider his disposal is also average. Then again Ross rates d.pearce highly.

Puts a lot of posters opinions in perspective doesn't it.

 

[clivenator26]

What are we meant to be looking at exactly?

A bay 13 thread titled Apeness returns to AFL!

 

[mightydockers]

When has he put it into application though? Because he has never struck me as outstandingly fast.

Either he's being played in a completely wrong position, which is a large issue needing addressing quickly for a young player, or he quite simply isn't confident enough to have a run. Or he isn't the sort of player who realises he should capitalise on this apparently obvious trait.

Furthermore I still don't see this as a great trait if you're not powering it along at his stage. Hill is fast but has minimal confidence, so when he does take a bounce and run, he ends up having to handball it off because he feels a compulsion to do so. Only in one of the club's greatest hours, the win in Geelong, did he feel the gall to run and actually slot one. And then the less said about Danyle Pearce having speed and how he uses it the better....

He has done some really good chase down tackles this year.

 

[mightydockers]

Langdon needs a few years of pounding laps to cover a massive amount of territory each game.

I like how he finds space now, I would like him to do it for a whole game but that is a matter of time and effort from him.

He's seriously fit. Ran a 15.3 at draft camp and did really well in the repeat sprints too. Like you said, just takes a bit of time to adjust to AFL match fitness.

 

[meima]

He has done some really good chase down tackles this year.

Since he is inconsistent ,I think BOG average is a very fair comment for langdon right now. Until he get around 30 match like sutty and sheriden then you can rate him higher than average.

 

[salim malik]

Wouldn't that make me, you know, the opposite of an idiot then? Good gag!

If you like it you're more than welcome to use it.

 

[Taylor]

He's seriously fit. Ran a 15.3 at draft camp and did really well in the repeat sprints too. Like you said, just takes a bit of time to adjust to AFL match fitness.

He just needs time, I'd sign him for two/three(if others are offering three) and have him turn into a link up gun.

 

[salim malik]

As 50 something draft pick I think he doing just ok , can't believe he is rated higher then grey consider his disposal is also average. Then again Ross rates d.pearce highly.

Langdon is a long way in front of Grey. Langdon and not Grey was selected in the 015 WAFL side of the year for a reason.

 

[Caldera]

Er what? I have said time and time again, he is not developing at all. The upward trajectory doesn't exist. He is the same player he was at seven games. I have absolutely no issue with a player being young and not killing it, but I want to see a third year player starting to show something a bit more. He's really not getting better and it's not happening at a quick enough pace.

I'm yet to be convinced by Taberner, but there is no doubt he is improving gradually. He may continue the improvement, he may not - but writing him off now is foolish. And similarly with Langdon, not every kid looks like a star immediately. We are in the position now to expose our youth, if they have what it takes then great. If not, they're gone. If no talent is exposed, the heat comes on the recruiters.

 

[mike91]

Er what? I have said time and time again, he is not developing at all. The upward trajectory doesn't exist. He is the same player he was at seven games. I have absolutely no issue with a player being young and not killing it, but I want to see a third year player starting to show something a bit more. He's really not getting better and it's not happening at a quick enough pace.

They don't have Foxtel under that rock you live in I see.

 

[meima]

Langdon is a long way in front of Grey. Langdon and not Grey was selected in the 015 WAFL side of the year for a reason.

Ballard selected also , in fact he is the best for peel.i think you mistaken blakely with langdon. Below the link for 2015 sandover and peel best and fairest. To avoid further disagreement I will gladly admit my mistake if you can provide a link to your claim. But if you can't provide it is ok, as I know you will never admit you make a false claim.

http://www.wafootball.com.au/news/9...iano-wins-thrilling-2015-sandover-medal-count

http://wafc.com.au/news/9508/ballard-wins-tuckey-medal-as-peels-best-after-dockers-delisting

 

[couldhavebeen]

Langdon is out of contract at end of season. Unlike Weller he does go missing. Wouldn't be surprised to see Langdon offered for trade. Need Mayne to play in ibbo's spot in D50 with Mundy in mid field with sonny,ballas &'Weller to support pav tabs and Appeness up forward.

If we go with 4 talls in the forward line then expect is to be beaten by Essendon .Apeness must start on the bench and interchange with either Taberner or Pavlich or we will not be able to hold the ball in the forward line when a turnover occurs its that simple . I expect Apeness to do the ruckwork when Griffin needs a break but Worsfold will go with hard running players in the back half to expose our lack of run if we play tall so Mayne would be the answer in the backline taking Essendons 3rd tall IMO.

 

[sherrif]

Wouldn't that make me, you know, the opposite of an idiot then? Good gag!

I would have thought it would make you below an idiot if you have any logic whatsoever. Good way to prove the point Salim was making.

 

[Clems Knee]

I'll spell it out for you.

Taberner = is shit. People are starting to realise. He's played 30 games and was struggling even last year when the side was winning. He's frigid, and timid, and has minimal confidence. He is flailing.

Langdon = is bland. So what if he has great 'leg speed' (why can't you call it, simply, speed? Where else is he going to use speed in Aussie Rules? In fact, tell me a sport where speed doesn't relate to your legs...)? He can still be bland. His size is average. His skills aren't solid enough and refined enough to play as a killer winger, he isn't tough enough or an accumulator to be a rover, and he looks forever doomed to sit in the Sheridan/Crozier pointlessness of the perennial half-forward flanker. I look at the guy and don't see the natural smarts of Blakely, who follows up every handball with a run or shepherd, and has great natural running instincts. I don't see the hardness of Brady Grey and the intent of him. And Weller is simply way more refined, runs his guts out, gives a shit, never gives up, but has a solid tackling game as well as his obvious offensive skills (nice kick, likes a goal).

Zero football knowledge. Well Chris Bond has no idea how to manage a list. His barometers for keeping or cutting someone is all over the place... you look at Suban, Clanger, DeBoer, and see players who are over the hill in a rebuilding team who were never even that good to begin with. You fail to acknowledge the chances of Taberner becoming a genuine, 10 year full forward as small, and then you tick the recruitment of the kind of mediocrity and stupidity we've had for six years. I'm just saying, you blindly defend Fremantle and simply don't like me because I reckon the guys you like are ******* shit. You both have the same skewed opinion on bad players, and both accepting dead-end mediocrity.

And uni is piss easy to get into these days.

Seriously you are so stupid that you would need to study for years to work yourself up to the status of idiot. Try watching a bloody game for once.

Enough with the Premature Evaluation. You have a habit of calling a player too early and sticking with that, no matter how ridiculous you appear. And you certainly appear ridiculous.

Taberner, like many speculative rookie picks, and like even more big men, has taken time to gain the confidence he needs to have in his own ability. But I think you are the only one on this board who has not seen the progress he has made.

I used the term "leg speed" to differentiate that from other forms of speed, such as reactions or quickness with hands. Ed Langdon is different to all the other young players you have mentioned because of his ability to catch or burn off opposition. He's done it a few times this year to get to the ball first on the goal line. You've said you don't watch WAFL games, so you've sentenced him on the basis of 8 AFL games where you have admitted to not noticing him anyway.

Yeh, yeh I know you were a big time player in Albany. Missed out because Bootsma had more family connections. Have a very thick (un-pencil like) neck which apparently makes you more qualified to evaluate any player in less time than it takes your girlfriends to run for the hills. But your views on football are so far short of being worthwhile that you parody yourself. Chris Bond, while not my favourite ex- Freo captain, clearly has more than zero football knowledge. Repeating a stupid phrase like "accepting mediocrity" does not make it true. And I don't blindly defend Fremantle. I was very concerned about the length of the injury list in the preseason this year, and was gutted with the output from the senior players in the first game of the season.

 

[scon]

Patience is almost exhausted.

Impressario knowledge knuckler…slapdown.
Knackered.

 

[meima]

Totally agree. His first season in the system was first class, both at Peel and in the few games that he played at the top level.

He's been a bit hot and cold this year but it is his second year and he's been asked to play that high half forward role that has proven hard for even experienced players to get loads of the ball and stand out. He's definitely got what it takes to make it, that's for sure.

For sure is a very big statement based on few afl game.

 

[Freomaniac]

A bay 13 thread titled Apeness returns to AFL!

That thread will divvy.

As 50 something draft pick I think he doing just ok , can't believe he is rated higher then grey consider his disposal is also average. Then again Ross rates d.pearce highly.

yeah suprised Langdon was pick 54 in the 2014 draft. I could now understand why Ross Lyon chose De Boer and Suban over the likes of Weller and Langdon and Blakeley last year. As crap as Suban and De Boer are... they ran out the full game considering they have both 7-8 years of fitness.


Weller and Langdon and Blakeley are only 2nd year players wait till they are capable of running out full AFL games.

There's a reason why Danyle Pearce is rated highly by Ross Lyon. Like Stephen Hill he has pace and has a decent kick. Keep in mind Mzungu is on the outer too. You could understand why dockers got him.

 

[couldhavebeen]

I'll spell it out for you.

Taberner = is shit. People are starting to realise. He's played 30 games and was struggling even last year when the side was winning. He's frigid, and timid, and has minimal confidence. He is flailing.

Langdon = is bland. So what if he has great 'leg speed' (why can't you call it, simply, speed? Where else is he going to use speed in Aussie Rules? In fact, tell me a sport where speed doesn't relate to your legs...)? He can still be bland. His size is average. His skills aren't solid enough and refined enough to play as a killer winger, he isn't tough enough or an accumulator to be a rover, and he looks forever doomed to sit in the Sheridan/Crozier pointlessness of the perennial half-forward flanker. I look at the guy and don't see the natural smarts of Blakely, who follows up every handball with a run or shepherd, and has great natural running instincts. I don't see the hardness of Brady Grey and the intent of him. And Weller is simply way more refined, runs his guts out, gives a shit, never gives up, but has a solid tackling game as well as his obvious offensive skills (nice kick, likes a goal).

Zero football knowledge. Well Chris Bond has no idea how to manage a list. His barometers for keeping or cutting someone is all over the place... you look at Suban, Clanger, DeBoer, and see players who are over the hill in a rebuilding team who were never even that good to begin with. You fail to acknowledge the chances of Taberner becoming a genuine, 10 year full forward as small, and then you tick the recruitment of the kind of mediocrity and stupidity we've had for six years. I'm just saying, you blindly defend Fremantle and simply don't like me because I reckon the guys you like are ******* shit. You both have the same skewed opinion on bad players, and both accepting dead-end mediocrity.

And uni is piss easy to get into these days.

Silent you have just convinced me that you have absolutely no football knowledge and that you are as blind as a bat .
Taberner has improved in so many area of his game .His marking , leading patterns and impact in the forward line just to name a few .
Let me straighten you out on a couple of things .Not only is he playing in the forward line but he is doing stints in the ruck . He is drawing the second tall of opposition teams and Pav is getting more space to play as a result . He is an elite running machine that is playing further up the ground and contesting for marks on the wing and he is not slow . He is still very young and is developing ,maybe not as fast as everyone expects but he is a lot better now than when he first got games . As a reference point Hawkins from Geelong took 5 years to develop his skills .
Langdon is developing and yes he is not a first choice best 22 player yet. He is getting some games and then going back to Peel but not because he has been an abject failure but because RTB needs him to experience AFL level football then go back to Peel and build on that experience . Bray Grey found that he needed to do a lot more work on his skill set to become a regular best 22 player and he is working his ass off to do just that . Clancee is not playing because he is recovering from concussion .Suban is playing because he follows team instructions and he is doing the in and under work .He plays till RTB can find a player that can do the heavy lifting but with better skills and they are rare as hens teeth outside the first ten picks of the draft.
You are right about DeBoer he has reached his ceiling as a player but he was a rookie draft pick and he has given it everything and now he is a good back up player in the AFL to cover for injuries .His value is that when he is playing in the WAFL he is teaching / showing the young guys how to prepare them selves and how the game must be played to get into the best 22.
RTB has been playing youth because of our injuries to senior players and some guys are getting games because we have no one else but we all benefit ,especially the young guys and the Club .
I have been very critical of Bond and LLoyd but not because they have no football knowledge but because they have not been prepared to trade players for better draft picks and that they have made poor decisions with a number of first round picks due to poor background research .

 

[sherrif]

Yeah he's a blatant troll but thankfully been thread banned now.

Why pick on that blatant troll when Banker/free tara brown and Silent Alarm are still allowed to post. Why not ban all the blatant trolls?

 

[Clems Knee]

Why pick on that blatant troll when Banker/free tara brown and Silent Alarm are still allowed to post. Why not ban all the blatant trolls?

To be fair, I think Free Tara Brown is now banned.

 

[freo_leo29]

Langdon definitely made the wafl team of the year guys, will find the link in the morning

 

[meima]

Silent you have just convinced me that you have absolutely no football knowledge and that you are as blind as a bat .
Taberner has improved in so many area of his game .His marking , leading patterns and impact in the forward line just to name a few .
Let me straighten you out on a couple of things .Not only is he playing in the forward line but he is doing stints in the ruck . He is drawing the second tall of opposition teams and Pav is getting more space to play as a result . He is an elite running machine that is playing further up the ground and contesting for marks on the wing and he is not slow . He is still very young and is developing ,maybe not as fast as everyone expects but he is a lot better now than when he first got games . As a reference point Hawkins from Geelong took 5 years to develop his skills .
Langdon is developing and yes he is not a first choice best 22 player yet. He is getting some games and then going back to Peel but not because he has been an abject failure but because RTB needs him to experience AFL level football then go back to Peel and build on that experience . Bray Grey found that he needed to do a lot more work on his skill set to become a regular best 22 player and he is working his ass off to do just that . Clancee is not playing because he is recovering from concussion .Suban is playing because he follows team instructions and he is doing the in and under work .He plays till RTB can find a player that can do the heavy lifting but with better skills and they are rare as hens teeth outside the first ten picks of the draft.
You are right about DeBoer he has reached his ceiling as a player but he was a rookie draft pick and he has given it everything and now he is a good back up player in the AFL to cover for injuries .His value is that when he is playing in the WAFL he is teaching / showing the young guys how to prepare them selves and how the game must be played to get into the best 22.
RTB has been playing youth because of our injuries to senior players and some guys are getting games because we have no one else but we all benefit ,especially the young guys and the Club .
I have been very critical of Bond and LLoyd but not because they have no football knowledge but because they have not been prepared to trade players for better draft picks and that they have made poor decisions with a number of first round picks due to poor background research .

Coulda you lost your way here
1) not a good idea to compare Tab with Tom Hawks
2) langdon disposal a problem with peel also
3) grey will look great in a team like GWS, where enough good player to compensate his weakness. ( But I don't want to see him go to
Another team, I like the way he play footy especially against softy like jetta )