Post BF Upgrade Feedback - Click Here

Remove this Banner Ad

Prediction Changes v Essendon

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

melanChronic said:
The main thing for Toumpas is to get faith in his kick again, and keep it low and direct. His highlights at Melbourne show that he has a good leg in him, just needs to back himself to be damaging. Should definitely be spending majority of time forward of centre, as he has the potential to improve our inside 50 delivery if he clicks.

And in any case, I'd much rather Dixon and Hurley under one of his floaters than Tom Clurey and Daniher.
Click to expand...

Yeah it's not like our delivery inside 50 has been a problem or anything.
 

Log in to remove this Banner Ad

PatientMental said:
Pittard does this every game and is reported to have North willing to pay him 600k+ a year.
Click to expand...

Getting possessions is the easy bit. Pittard gains meters most weeks and can break games open with both run and carry, and also with a damaging kick (except when shooting for goal). If Toumpas can do what pittard does.... that would be great.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app
 
JUSTWORK said:
Why the F*CK is Neade the traveling emergency ? Palmer and Monfries are in the best every week and Hinkley wants to take Neade ?

WHAT A JOKE !!!
Click to expand...
Hinkley has always valued Neade. He just needs to string 2 decent tackling games together and he's back in the mix. Hinkleys looking for certain qualities he thinks the team lacks. Unfortunately that is not a second key marking forward coz Trengove and Westhoff are certainly not that. They have no forward presence at all.
 
It is pretty laughable that we think the 21/22/23 player is going to make a difference between winning and losing. If our leaders go missing like in some of the games we have lost, Toumpas/Young/Neade et al will not matter.
 
Toumpas cant handle big game pressure, stand out being last years showdown where he gave away two of the easiest goals.

He can be carried in games against less competitive teams but he will never help us win important games
 
Let's just give him a chance aye
 
Byron!!! said:
Getting possessions is the easy bit. Pittard gains meters most weeks and can break games open with both run and carry, and also with a damaging kick (except when shooting for goal). If Toumpas can do what pittard does.... that would be great.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app
Click to expand...

The undervaluing of Pittard's contributions on this forum are laughable.
 

Remove this Banner Ad

rogerjames said:
Hinkley has always valued Neade. He just needs to string 2 decent tackling games together and he's back in the mix. Hinkleys looking for certain qualities he thinks the team lacks. Unfortunately that is not a second key marking forward coz Trengove and Westhoff are certainly not that. They have no forward presence at all.
Click to expand...

Disagree regarding Trengove and Westhoff and their forward presence, agree that they are not the key marking forwards you would like.

Westhoff has forward presence when he plays in the forward line and also marks the ball, he just has no confidence with his set shots and is often required/asked to roam all over the ground.

Trengove is used as a target when up front and often brings the ball to ground, he just doesn't mark it as often as we would like.

But yes I agree Hinkley wants the next talls after Dixon to be versatile and duel function, which those two are, rather than pure forwards. Trengove has actually really improved his ruck work and still is a great presence in the middle of the ground, getting hitouts, clearances, tackles, contested possessions. He is a very important player for us despite not kicking bags of goals each week (although he is 6th on our goal scoring which is decent enough, in a team that is averaging the third highest scores in the league).


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app
 
Byron!!! said:
Disagree regarding Trengove and Westhoff and their forward presence, agree that they are not the key marking forwards you would like.

Westhoff has forward presence when he plays in the forward line and also marks the ball, he just has no confidence with his set shots and is often required/asked to roam all over the ground.

Trengove is used as a target when up front and often brings the ball to ground, he just doesn't mark it as often as we would like.

But yes I agree Hinkley wants the next talls after Dixon to be versatile and duel function, which those two are, rather than pure forwards. Trengove has actually really improved his ruck work and still is a great presence in the middle of the ground, getting hitouts, clearances, tackles, contested possessions. He is a very important player for us despite not kicking bags of goals each week (although he is 6th on our goal scoring which is decent enough, in a team that is averaging the third highest scores in the league).


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app
Click to expand...

Agree with what you said about Westoff. I'm not his biggest fan because of his goal kicking, but I think he plays a team game.

Not sold on Trengrove as a forward. He only kicked 1 goal against the top 3 teams and only 9 for the season, not enough for a tall forward. I think Hinkley is a little confused about where he should play.

A goal kicking 2 tall forward is needed, but who do you drop?
 
Buget said:
Agree with what you said about Westoff. I'm not his biggest fan because of his goal kicking, but I think he plays a team game.

Not sold on Trengrove as a forward. He only kicked 1 goal against the top 3 teams and only 9 for the season, not enough for a tall forward. I think Hinkley is a little confused about where he should play.

A goal kicking 2 tall forward is needed, but who do you drop?
Click to expand...

I think we have to think of Ryder and Trengove as a Ruck/Fwd combination and sum up their numbers in the middle and the forward line. Both Ryder and Trengove could take a few more marks a game inside forward 50 and add a few more goals for the season, but overall the combo works fantastic in the middle of the field and ok in the fwd line to date. If they can improve this fwd play, which they should given it is Trengove's first season fwd and Ryder is almost there with his marking, it's a pretty damaging combo. Our team scoring is 2nd in the league. The losses to West coast and the Cats aren't due to these guys - more inaccurate kicking from the whole team. The loss to GWS is probably because these two weren't able to do their thing with Ryder out. Our defense is extremely strong and that starts in the forward line with the pressure from the setup we have. We are doing A LOT right. We are a genuine premiership threat with this setup.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app
 
Byron!!! said:
I think we have to think of Ryder and Trengove as a Ruck/Fwd combination and sum up their numbers in the middle and the forward line. Both Ryder and Trengove could take a few more marks a game inside forward 50 and add a few more goals for the season, but overall the combo works fantastic in the middle of the field and ok in the fwd line to date. If they can improve this fwd play, which they should given it is Trengove's first season fwd and Ryder is almost there with his marking, it's a pretty damaging combo. Our team scoring is 2nd in the league. The losses to West coast and the Cats aren't due to these guys - more inaccurate kicking from the whole team. The loss to GWS is probably because these two weren't able to do their thing with Ryder out. Our defense is extremely strong and that starts in the forward line with the pressure from the setup we have. We are doing A LOT right. We are a genuine premiership threat with this setup.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app
Click to expand...


Looking at them as a partnership does make sense and as a combination they have (probably) the best combination of hit outs and goals for big men in the AFL.

However, for port to be a truely top four team, they need to be more dynamic into the forward 50 and not just bomb it to Dixon. Dixon is doing really well, taking marks and kicking goals but with a second threatening forward it will open the space for Charlie and mean he is only double marked not triple.

I was at the GWS game, the reason we lost was because Trengrove can't ruck out a game and Port replaced Ryder with White. The battle was lost at the selection table.
 
Buget said:
Looking at them as a partnership does make sense and as a combination they have (probably) the best combination of hit outs and goals for big men in the AFL.

However, for port to be a truely top four team, they need to be more dynamic into the forward 50 and not just bomb it to Dixon. Dixon is doing really well, taking marks and kicking goals but with a second threatening forward it will open the space for Charlie and mean he is only double marked not triple.

I was at the GWS game, the reason we lost was because Trengrove can't ruck out a game and Port replaced Ryder with White. The battle was lost at the selection table.
Click to expand...
The way ken has the team playing seems to be working well, we tend to focus on certain players and that could be our mistake. Functioning as a unit is key and some selections may seem strange to us but it is working well. As long as we bring this super defensive game and ample forward entries we will be fine.
 

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

tribey said:
I didn't like Dimitri at Melbourne. I called him Fiora 2.0.

I wiped the slate clean when he came home, hoping he'd come close to reaching his pre-injury potential a la his WWT-mate Polec.

I've wanted him to make it.

But his game against Hawthorn was wholly unimpressive. 3 contested possessions and 23 uncontested possessions. The softest of outside roles and yet he registered 65% disposal efficiency with 4 non-FA clangers. 1 tackle. 1 one-percenter. 1 inside 50. 0 rebound 50.

Of his kicks that did hit the target, many of them lacked penetration and gained minimal meterage.

In that most superfluous of roles, we have any number of superior candidates. Four of which are already on the field. Pittard, Hartlett, Broadbent, DBJ. At the Magpies, one could argue for the stronger AFL form of Houston. Or the vastly superior kick in Krakouer. Or the younger upside Bonner.

From a raw form POV, Palmer and Monfries have been smashing the door down harder for longer, in roles we arguably have a more pressing need for at the Power.

All in all, it's just confusing that he would be given another go in what is a nothing role.

That said, my heart hopes he's BOG against Essendon despite my head saying he'll do nothing to hold his spot beyond this week.
Click to expand...

TRIGGER WARNING: This is called foresight.

But I'm not being paid north of a quarter-million dollars a year to make these decisions.
 
Unfortunately playing Jacko as a forward is borderline akin to playing a man short, he is simply not a key forward's derriere, the goals he got earlier in the season were mainly from scraps, not genuine forward craft.

I can't see why he can't be rested on the bench, or played in defence when he isn't required as the back up ruck.
Surely a natural forward like Eddy would have to be better value than Jacko.
 
[
1954 said:
Unfortunately playing Jacko as a forward is borderline akin to playing a man short, he is simply not a key forward's derriere, the goals he got earlier in the season were mainly from scraps, not genuine forward craft.

I can't see why he can't be rested on the bench, or played in defence when he isn't required as the back up ruck.
Surely a natural forward like Eddy would have to be better value than Jacko.
Click to expand...
It's Westhoff, he ruins our structure for minimal return. Granted he was probably one of our best tonight.

You drop Westhoff bring in Eddy put Trengove back and have Hombsch as a true loose man/wing
 

Remove this Banner Ad

Similar threads

RussellEbertHandball
Analysis Rule Changes for 2026 and beyond
Replies
1
Views
170
MrChow
MrChow

Remove this Banner Ad

🥰 Love BigFooty? Join now for free.

Back
Top Bottom