Prediction Changes v GCs

[MRB37]

I think it was On the Couch on Monday, they showed Tom Lynch from Richmond, at a stage when Richmond were having trouble getting the ball beyond the centreline.

He took it upon himself to bust his arse and start working up around the wings, took a couple of strong marks, and opened play up again for his team.

Jenkins (and Walker, to a lesser extent) need to adopt this approach - if it is too hard and not working, the onus is on them to get involved and make it work - not spit the dummy and refuse to work harder.

The problem is you're asking guys to do things that aren't in their repertoire at all. It's easy for Lynch to do that because he can.

 

[King Elvis]

Nah - just JJ getting on the front foot I reckon.

No need to axe me coach just so you can send a message. I’m hearing it loud and clear and I promise I’ll get better.

Sadly, that's the vibe I get from it as well.

Also not a huge fan of the 'I don't want to go back and play SANFL.'

I mean, it's obvious, but still sounds a bit precious. If you don't want to be playing SANFL, then get your head out of your arse and make a bloody effort.

 

[King Elvis]

Jenkins today on radio: 'I'm part of the leadership group, so i can only help the group perform if i'm in the team not in the sanfl'

lol

Jesus Christ, he really said that?

What the **** is going on at the AFC?

 

[King Elvis]

Has an unraveling feel to it

Will take something special from Don, Tex and Rory to turn this ship around and get everyone pulling in the same direction

In the last few weeks, we've had very candid, very pointed comments from Gibbs, Greenwood and Jenkins; both positive and negative, but all effectively criticising or questioning the coaching/footy departments...

That is extremely unusual, and does, as you say, have an 'unravelling feel' about it.

 

[King Elvis]

The lack of accountability and lack of taking responsibility is astounding. Real head up the ass type stuff

No wonder we're ****ed - appears as though they've learnt very little over the last 18 months.

 

[ad victoriam]

I'm not so sure that young Fogarty isn't "good enough" to have a crack at CHF or FF given the form of the two current incumbents Tex and JJ. Wouldn't need to do a hell of a lot to out perform those 2 currently.

Its not that he not good enough it about having a cop-out ruck, Hartigan, Fogarty Otten will fair well against Wright, not with the 6-6-6 rule, years gone past yes but 2019, in a must-win game. No.
That leaves only Lynch, Walker or 4th Tall, Lynch is a more forward flanker, Walker yes that would be a better option than dropping JJ who in 3 of 4 games he played has changed the momentum of the game when moved into the centre,

Why, ROB is an endurance beast and Jarrod Witts is in great form and will beat whoever we put up against him so we're going to lose the ruck battle almost certainly anyhow?

Yes most of times ROB will be against Witts, but who ruck against Wright, or who ruck against Witts when ROB held up on the interchange.
Wright is not a great ruck, and JJ against him can work to our advantage,

If ruckwork is so important, then play two rucks and bring in Hunter.

I mention that before, but will Hunter be better than JJ, at this time. Like Himmelberg they received silver service in the SANFL in the AFL what happens they Get double teamed, and when clear the ball coming in too short or wrong side they will struggle. Just like they did against Glenelg.
Change a player but at least bring in a Player that will improve the team.

Besides we need to fix the ball movement and get the ball to our forwards.

 

[Geoffa32]

I think it was On the Couch on Monday, they showed Tom Lynch from Richmond, at a stage when Richmond were having trouble getting the ball beyond the centreline.

He took it upon himself to bust his arse and start working up around the wings, took a couple of strong marks, and opened play up again for his team.

Jenkins (and Walker, to a lesser extent) need to adopt this approach - if it is too hard and not working, the onus is on them to get involved and make it work - not spit the dummy and refuse to work harder.

During the game Jono Brown was calling for this and said the message needs.to get out to Lynch to go up the ground a bit more.

Two or three minutes later it started happening.

Once Richmond got their big man involved in the game more the game was theirs.


It's all well and good for people to suggest a forward is struggling due to lack of supply, however it ain't 1999 (where the arc was their barrier) and key forwards can now roam to get their own ball, some touch and then start kicking goals.

Jenkins had a stint in Ruck and even that didnt get him out of the funk.

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[jackster83]

I mention that before, but will Hunter be better than JJ, at this time. Like Himmelberg they received silver service in the SANFL in the AFL what happens they Get double teamed, and when clear the ball coming in too short or wrong side they will struggle. Just like they did against Glenelg.
Change a player but at least bring in a Player that will improve the team.

Besides we need to fix the ball movement and get the ball to our forwards.

He might not do better than JJ, but I doubt he'll do worse (in JJ's current form).

Plus it gives JJ the kick up the arse he needs.

Plus it gives ROB more of a chop out so he doesn't have to ruck 80% of the time.

Plus if he performs better than ROB, Hunter can take over the #1 ruck role.

It's about more than just this week.

 

[King Elvis]

Full quote

“There should be 12 guys who feel the same as I do.

“Because there’s a lot of us who aren’t playing good enough footy at the moment and if we do feel comfortable and we do think, ‘I just deserve a spot because of what I’ve done three or four years in the past’, then that’s fool’s gold.

“I’ve certainly been in that situation and sometimes it can be a great circuit breaker for you.

“Do I want to play SANFL this week? No.

“I want to play in the AFL and help turn things around because I was put into the leadership group this year so helping from the SANFL is going to feel difficult.

“But sometimes it can be great for individuals who are struggling to get away from the spotlight of AFL footy and try to resurrect things.”

It's better in the full context... but still not fantastic.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Its not that he not good enough it about having a cop-out ruck, Hartigan, Fogarty Otten will fair well against Wright, not with the 6-6-6 rule, years gone past yes but 2019, in a must-win game. No.
That leaves only Lynch, Walker or 4th Tall, Lynch is a more forward flanker, Walker yes that would be a better option than dropping JJ who in 3 of 4 games he played has changed the momentum of the game when moved into the centre,


Yes most of times ROB will be against Witts, but who ruck against Wright, or who ruck against Witts when ROB held up on the interchange.
Wright is not a great ruck, and JJ against him can work to our advantage,


I mention that before, but will Hunter be better than JJ, at this time. Like Himmelberg they received silver service in the SANFL in the AFL what happens they Get double teamed, and when clear the ball coming in too short or wrong side they will struggle. Just like they did against Glenelg.
Change a player but at least bring in a Player that will improve the team.

Besides we need to fix the ball movement and get the ball to our forwards.

Who our 2nd ruckman is, is the least of our concerns!

You are banging on about something like it's a major problem... when our whole game plan is failing & confidence is at an all time low under Pyke.

We need to get our structures right/shake up current line up, get players back in form, drop plenty & have some decent attacking ball movement.

 

[King Elvis]

The problem is you're asking guys to do things that aren't in their repertoire at all. It's easy for Lynch to do that because he can.

Easy or not, even if it doesn't work as effectively as Lynch, they still need to have the balls and the desire to make a difference to the game.

If we can't get it beyond the centre, and we're only getting 35 i50s a game, then they need to try and change it.

Tex did it a couple of times and it was the best we looked all day.

 

[ad victoriam]

He might not do better than JJ, but I doubt he'll do worse (in JJ's current form).

Plus it gives JJ the kick up the arse he needs.

Plus it gives ROB more of a chop out so he doesn't have to ruck 80% of the time.

Plus if he performs better than ROB, Hunter can take over the #1 ruck role.

It's about more than just this week.

Where were you when I sugest that before,
However Hunter Ruck work is good his around the ground need work and consistency, I do not think he will be better. not the way the ball coming into our forward line. And He'snot going to change momentum like JJ did a few times
But why don't we fix the ball coming into the forward line first, before hanging the tall Forwards?

 

[MRB37]

Easy or not, even if it doesn't work as effectively as Lynch, they still need to have the balls and the desire to make a difference to the game.

If we can't get it beyond the centre, and we're only getting 35 i50s a game, then they need to try and change it.

Tex did it a couple of times and it was the best we looked all day.

They do need to change it, but it'll have to be done by taking JJ out, not just expecting him to suddenly add that to his game.

 

[Murray2503]

Full quote

“There should be 12 guys who feel the same as I do.

“Because there’s a lot of us who aren’t playing good enough footy at the moment and if we do feel comfortable and we do think, ‘I just deserve a spot because of what I’ve done three or four years in the past’, then that’s fool’s gold.

“I’ve certainly been in that situation and sometimes it can be a great circuit breaker for you.

“Do I want to play SANFL this week? No.

“I want to play in the AFL and help turn things around because I was put into the leadership group this year so helping from the SANFL is going to feel difficult.

“But sometimes it can be great for individuals who are struggling to get away from the spotlight of AFL footy and try to resurrect things.”

I wish he would play at another club. Would be best for all concerned, especially the crows. Dont care to hear whether he thinks he can turn it around. Actions speak louder than words. I've seen enough.

 

[ad victoriam]

Who our 2nd ruckman is, is the least of our concerns!

You are banging on about something like it's a major problem... when our whole game plan is failing & confidence is at an all time low under Pyke.

We need to get our structures right/shake up current line up, get players back in form, drop plenty & have some decent attacking ball movement.

Read Just read my posts, I have been Banging about the shit ball into our forward Line more, nearly every post, Ball Movement or lack of in regard to the Forwards. And Yet most are banging on about replacing JJ, even you, from the start.
And Yes against GC I am worried about going into the game with a short or weak backup ruck, it a must-win game and I don't want to give them any advantages,
Again in case, you miss my previous post
We have bigger issue's to fix than replacing JJ, Like Ball Movement contested Possession, getting the ball into our forward line cleaner. or base on last week just getting the ball into the forward line would be a start.

 

[cm_perfect]

We have bigger issue's to fix than replacing JJ, Like Ball Movement contested Possession, getting the ball into our forward line cleaner. or base on last week just getting the ball into the forward line would be a start.

Hitting a target by hand or foot would be a great start!! (in all parts of the ground)

 

[WaynesWorld19]

They better drop him.

Hopefully they don't do it over the phone, like they did with Gibbs.

They didn't surely ??? ....where did you hear this ?

If it's me, I bring Fog in for Jenkins and Otten in for Hartigan .....aslo gives you interchangeability from DEF to FWDS

 

[Bazz_27]

They didn't surely ??? ....where did you hear this ?

If it's me, I bring Fog in for Jenkins and Otten in for Hartigan .....aslo gives you interchangeability from DEF to FWDS

https://www.afc.com.au/news/2019-04-16/pykes-phone-call-with-gibbs

 

[King Elvis]

They didn't surely ??? ....where did you hear this ?

If it's me, I bring Fog in for Jenkins and Otten in for Hartigan .....aslo gives you interchangeability from DEF to FWDS

Generally the feedback from those two games was quite positive, so personally it was a bit of a shock to get that phone call and to hear that was the path they were going to go down and that was the decision they had made

Pathetic, right?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

https://www.afc.com.au/news/2019-04-16/pykes-phone-call-with-gibbs

To be fair though ....I read that they had a face to face leading up to selection & the phone call was simply a confirmation of previous discussions

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Pathetic, right?

Gibbs .....yes he has been !

 

[scoota10]

Murray 25 Said

The club had no intention of playing him in a key role. They signed up Walker, Jenkins, Lynch, Betts on long term lucrative contracts as they all held the club to ransom and the club buckled as usual. They took fog at the draft as he was south australian and fell our way. Their intention was to play him in the SANFL with the occasional game when injuries occur until Walker or Jenkins retires. Not really looking after a players best interests is it? No wonder players leave. This goes to Afc's mentality in regards to youth. They feel a young player needs 2 years in the sanfl before they are ready or deserve to get a game. They install no trust in young players and basically set them up to fail.

Sorry for the Late Delay
I look at it in a different Way. Walker,Jenkins,Lynch,Betts may have got Extra Cash. Fogarty was the best person available at their Pick 12 ??

I understand the above players held him up BUT there was another player playing (Mcgovern) He isn't there now So it should be his turn (Fogarty)
to be carried. until his Experience comes to him. this is my opp

 

[Murray2503]

Murray 25 Said

The club had no intention of playing him in a key role. They signed up Walker, Jenkins, Lynch, Betts on long term lucrative contracts as they all held the club to ransom and the club buckled as usual. They took fog at the draft as he was south australian and fell our way. Their intention was to play him in the SANFL with the occasional game when injuries occur until Walker or Jenkins retires. Not really looking after a players best interests is it? No wonder players leave. This goes to Afc's mentality in regards to youth. They feel a young player needs 2 years in the sanfl before they are ready or deserve to get a game. They install no trust in young players and basically set them up to fail.

Sorry for the Late Delay
I look at it in a different Way. Walker,Jenkins,Lynch,Betts may have got Extra Cash. Fogarty was the best person available at their Pick 12 ??

I understand the above players held him up BUT there was another player playing (Mcgovern) He isn't there now So it should be his turn (Fogarty)
to be carried. until his Experience comes to him. this is my opp

My point was that you should draft for need and also look for players who are ready to play straight away if possible. This is looking after the club and players best interests. The club drafted fog when they had walker, lynch, jenkins and gov. Now if they were going to draft fog which i dont have a problem with, they should have traded out jenkins or lynch or possibly both and run with walker, gov and fog. They didnt and due to their inability to drop the poor performing experienced players and lack of trust in the yet unproven player, he is stuck languishing in the sanfl. Too often the club drafts players who are not ready to go straight away(not fog by the way) and they seem specifically to look for these players. The club loves to call them development players. I call that speculative picks. All well and good for pick 90 but not for anything lower than pick 50. This goes to the clubs mentality of not trusting youth. We should be drafting players ready to go now that can make a difference immediately. If there is not a spot for them within a reasonable timeframe well then that is bad drafting or bad list management imo. One last point is that the club has signed certain players up who were requesting deals which the club did not want or shouldn't have given them. They did this out of fear of the supporter backlash over another player leaving. Managers knew this and pushed for a deal the player didn't deserve. The club should have let them go. They then could have put that salary into young stars that have left, drafting players to play straight way or enticing a free agent. Everything comes down to list management and who we have in charge currently(riccuito and burton) are not capable of this responsibility which has been proven recently.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Read Just read my posts, I have been Banging about the shit ball into our forward Line more, nearly every post, Ball Movement or lack of in regard to the Forwards. And Yet most are banging on about replacing JJ, even you, from the start.
And Yes against GC I am worried about going into the game with a short or weak backup ruck, it a must-win game and I don't want to give them any advantages,
Again in case, you miss my previous post
We have bigger issue's to fix than replacing JJ, Like Ball Movement contested Possession, getting the ball into our forward line cleaner. or base on last week just getting the ball into the forward line would be a start.

If you look at the % of your posting content, you have had unusually high amount of comments about our 2nd ruckman!

We must get the balance of our side right, particularly our anemic forward line. If that means dropping JJ, finding a 2nd ruckman will happen & is of far less of a concern. Keeping JJ solely on the basis he is the 2nd ruckman is crazy talk.

 

[Red mist]

No wonder we're ****** - appears as though they've learnt very little over the last 18 months.

Yeah like sticking a tackle and hitting up a target..