Prediction Changes v GCs

[mattymac]

As much as our forwards are felching truckers at the moment, consider this:

Round 4 2019 vs North (loss) we had 36 inside 50’s

Round 21, 2018 Vs North (win) we had 56 inside 50’s

If you can’t move the ball with pace and accuracy then your forwards have no chance.

We can’t move the ball. So even serially soft effort guys like JJ can’t be blamed

We had more inside 50’s when we lost by near 100 points last year against Melbourne up at Traegar

All true. It's mainly on the midfield and their lack of effort.

Not only the failure to provide I50s, also the number of I50s we're giving up.

Even the difficulty our defenders are having clearing D50 successfully is largely down to our mids being lazy and not spreading to provide options.

It's painful to watch.

But still, Jenkins deserves to be dropped based on his lairising shots on goal alone.

2 rolled gold shots my aunty could kick instead he kicked the leather off both and fluffed them like a freaking madman. We lose by 2 goals.

Piss him off. His head's not right.

The herd moves at the speed of its slowest member until they finally decide to leave it behind.

 

[Murray2503]

What part did he do that? He said - could be changes, but I hope there isn't.

All Tex has done is absolve himself of any blame from those experienced players if there is changes. "Don't look at me mate, I was in the trenches fighting for you".

Too much talking this week from players. First Gibbs does an article in the Age saying he was blindsided by his dropping. Then Jenkins talking why he doesn't deserve to be dropped after doing nothing all year. Then we hear Tex saying the club needs to back experienced players when we have pretty much been the worst club in the league so far. How bout you focus on winning and let the people in charge pick the team. You dont hear players at other clubs dictating anything. This team has achieved nothing. Clarko would kick the player out of the club if he heard any of this crap our players have been running with. I think this goes to the heart of our problems at the club.

 

[King Elvis]

Too much talking this week from players. First Gibbs does an article in the Age saying he was blindsided by his dropping. Then Jenkins talking why he doesn't deserve to be dropped after doing nothing all year. Then we hear Tex saying the club needs to back experienced players when we have pretty much been the worst club in the league so far. How bout you focus on winning and let the people in charge pick the team. You dont hear players at other clubs dictating anything. This team has achieved nothing. Clarko would kick the player out of the club if he heard any of this crap our players have been running with. I think this goes to the heart of our problems at the club.

Frayed at the edges, big time.

And you forgot Greenwood clearly being annoyed at his lack of selection last week.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

Poll should include Gooch . Needs to come in.

 

[Cap]

Too much talking this week from players. First Gibbs does an article in the Age saying he was blindsided by his dropping. Then Jenkins talking why he doesn't deserve to be dropped after doing nothing all year. Then we hear Tex saying the club needs to back experienced players when we have pretty much been the worst club in the league so far. How bout you focus on winning and let the people in charge pick the team. You dont hear players at other clubs dictating anything. This team has achieved nothing. Clarko would kick the player out of the club if he heard any of this crap our players have been running with. I think this goes to the heart of our problems at the club.

Are you talking about the article where Jenkins talks about being dropped previously and understands why he is in the gun? But would prefer not to be dropped?

 

[ManInTheArena]

Does anyone else think it's obvious (from their media appearances) Jenkins and Walker haven't been spoken to seriously about their performances? It concerns me they wouldn't know they're on a knife edge. Jenkins seems to only be guessing because of Gibbs. It seems the coaches aren't communicating and the the players are on different pages. That's really concerning to me.

 

[mcattack]

Doedee is a midsize agile, pair off interceptor.

Fog is a bull natural forward.

Fog is the natural replacement for one man in our team. A man who has been underperforming for over a year but has deep financial and social connections with board members.

Fog to defense.

Couldn't agree more. You groom someone with natural talent by playing them in their natural position. Let Tex play in back lines all he does is turn in a very slow circle and kick or fend off players by pushing them. He can do those things in hardigans spot. Maybe he can captain from there cus he ain't doing much atm.

 

[Cap]

Does anyone else think it's obvious (from their media appearances) Jenkins and Walker haven't been spoken to seriously about their performances? It concerns me they wouldn't know they're on a knife edge. Jenkins seems to only be guessing because of Gibbs. It seems the coaches aren't communicating and the the players are on different pages. That's really concerning to me.

Na, they would know.

I like the fact they aren't sure if they'll be picked (assuming that is a true statement and they are talking shit), after the first 4 rounds Jenkins should be concerned about his position and should be concerned he could get dropped.

 

[hey shorty]

Too much talking this week from players. First Gibbs does an article in the Age saying he was blindsided by his dropping. Then Jenkins talking why he doesn't deserve to be dropped after doing nothing all year. Then we hear Tex saying the club needs to back experienced players when we have pretty much been the worst club in the league so far. How bout you focus on winning and let the people in charge pick the team. You dont hear players at other clubs dictating anything. This team has achieved nothing. Clarko would kick the player out of the club if he heard any of this crap our players have been running with. I think this goes to the heart of our problems at the club.

Jenkins didn't say he doesn't deserve to be dropped, quite the opposite actually.

 

[AFC979810]

You people are crazy. Jenkins said the right things.

Good to hear him acknowledge he doesn't know whether he plays or not! Gonna be an interesting week. Do the lads go further into their shell or do they build some confidence.

 

[CrowinNT]

Na, they would know.

I like the fact they aren't sure if they'll be picked (assuming that is a true statement and they are talking shit), after the first 4 rounds Jenkins should be concerned about his position and should be concerned he could get dropped.

I think we are going through a period where there are a number of senior players underperforming
The media are asking them the questions and rightly so.
Hence why our players are talking a bit more about performances.

I too like the idea that there is uncertainty in their auto selection at match committee

 

[CrowBloke]

Apologies, I'm a few pages behind and just saw this, which is astonishing:

Jenkins today on radio: 1) 'I'm part of the leadership group, 2) so i can only help the group perform if i'm in the team not in the sanfl'
lol

1) it's a reminder to all of us, not just Pyke, of how important he is (<== like poker machine reels). JJ's in the leadership group, folks. He's a big deal.
2) "Don't drop me Don", because
--- see 1) above and
--- "I can't inspire and lead the senior side from the SANFL".

That's wrong, on many counts. JJ's weak form warrants a spell in the SANFL, along with a few others like Mackay, Hartigan, Lynch, Murphy (**below). IF JJ was dropped but wants to lead and inspire, the best he could do is work his butt off, kick a lot of goals (including those from 5m out ) and EARN his place back in the AFL side.
Yeah, not likely.

** btw, they don't all have to be dropped at once eg bring back Gibbs, drop Mackay. If Mackay's replacement performs and he's crap in the SANFL too, drop Lynch and so on. I can't see anything wrong with dropping up to three underperforming players, until Pyke finds a stable, hard-nut, mongrel-winning mix. The message would be:
Play well and you're in, and stay in as long as you're playing well (do your job).
Play badly more often than not (eg JJ, Mackay, Lynch, Hartigan et al) and you're out. Walker does not make the list because I just can't see them dropping the co-Captain, even if his form needs it.

 

[Tex200]

Jenkins didn't say he doesn't deserve to be dropped, quite the opposite actually.

What he said was ok, but I think the general sentiment is that it’s a bit untidy that we have now had 3 players out in the media discussing selection in a manner that we wouldn’t normally see.

 

[CrowBloke]

Himmelberg, Otten, Hartigan will leak Goals from the Centre if they were Rucking more so under the 6-6-6 rules

I think this is an important point.
The 6-6-6 formation favours teams with ruckmen who tap effectively to their mids, ie to advantage where they can run onto the ball tapped forward, or get the tap down their throats and can dish off quickly to someone kicking forward (accurately). Sauce does not do this and when our mids do get the ball their delivery is dreadful. ROB is still learning his craft. Otten is not strong enough. Hartigan should be dropped after last week's game. I can't comment on Himmelberg, having hardly seen him play.
I'm reminded of the many McLeod/Goodwin/Roo/Edwards goals or goal assists from Rehn's excellent tapwork, when the 6-6-6 did not even apply *sigh*

I hope, I hope, I hope Greenwood is returned as a forward-rotating-mid. The 6-6-6 suits his inside aggro and clean hands.

 

[CrowBloke]

The lack of accountability and lack of taking responsibility is astounding.

This!
It's like rust-on-metal.

 

[CrowBloke]

You people are crazy. Jenkins said the right things.

Jenkins' comments are the opposite of good leadership.
Dropping Jenkins would be a strong Coach's strong decision.
Did you see his 'snap' for goal from 5m out that he kicked 60m high and 15m wide, for a point, when we desperately needed a leader's goal? It's symptomatic of how badly he's playing, reminiscent of Mackay's bumbling-fumbling hearing-footsteps non-effort last year in the goalsquare which cost a goal (GCS? Melbourne? I'm not sure).

 

[crows dude]

I think this is an important point.
The 6-6-6 formation favours teams with ruckmen who tap effectively to their mids, ie to advantage where they can run onto the ball tapped forward, or get the tap down their throats and can dish off quickly to someone kicking forward (accurately). Sauce does not do this and when our mids do get the ball their delivery is dreadful. ROB is still learning his craft. Otten is not strong enough. Hartigan should be dropped after last week's game. I can't comment on Himmelberg, having hardly seen him play.
I'm reminded of the many McLeod/Goodwin/Roo/Edwards goals or goal assists from Rehn's excellent tapwork, when the 6-6-6 did not even apply *sigh*

I hope, I hope, I hope Greenwood is returned as a forward-rotating-mid. The 6-6-6 suits his inside aggro and clean hands.

I think your memory is deceiving you as the 4 legends you mention were more in the Clarke, Biglands days of rucking than Rehn. Yeh there were the 9798 premiership year but only Macca and Roo were part of that 1998 midfield. Edwards and Goody moved into the midfield in the era of Ayres. Yes Clarkeys tap was great to them though. Rehnny was more like a midfielder but his tap work wasn't that great. He did however know when to smash it forward which our rucks never do anymore.

 

[footy4ever]

Daniel Talia. Has he been in the gym too much or has he been eating too many pies?

He looks so turgid he can barely run. He can’t move his legs to kick and is slow AF.

Does he wear an iron back brace or something? Because that’s what it looks like when he moves. I think Otten would be better value ATM.

 

[CrowBloke]

I think your memory is deceiving you as the 4 legends you mention were more in the Clarke, Biglands days of rucking than Rehn. Yeh there were the 9798 premiership year but only Macca and Roo were part of that 1998 midfield. Edwards and Goody moved into the midfield in the era of Ayres. Yes Clarkeys tap was great to them though. Rehnny was more like a midfielder but his tap work wasn't that great. He did however know when to smash it forward which our rucks never do anymore.

I don't doubt my memory has rose-coloured glasses and is flawed .
Two goals stand out in my mind:
--- minor-round game, centre bounce, Rehn taps wide to grandstand side where a running McLeod taps the ball over the head of an oppo player, fields his own tap and goals on the run.
--- 1998 GF, I think. R forward pocket of MCG, throw-in. McLeod is on the defensive side of goal. Rehn nods at McLeod and gestures with his head where he's going to tap the ball, which he does to space towards centre as McLeod runs onto it around-behind the pack, goal. Beautiful.
I can't remember the last time Jacobs tapped to a player for a run-on goal, unless it was an oppo bloke.
In fact, I can't remember the last time the Crows goaled, then goaled again from a centre bounce within a minute. Maybe Rounds 1-6, 2017? Certainly not this year.

Anyway, all 4 players played at least 4 seasons with Rehn as ruckman. Rehn's tapwork was much better than Sauce's of the last 15 months. Last year, Jacobs tapped consistently to oppo mids, no-one, or our mids' feet, but you're right about Goodwin and Edwards.

 

[CrowBloke]

Theme for the week seems to be every man for himself

Yeah, or don't-blame-me.

 

[maxlilly]

Daniel Talia. Has he been in the gym too much or has he been eating too many pies?

He looks so turgid he can barely run. He can’t move his legs to kick and is slow AF.

Does he wear an iron back brace or something? Because that’s what it looks like when he moves. I think Otten would be better value ATM.

27 going on 47 years old.
It doesn't look like he will be playing much longer, but I'm sure we will try and run him into the ground like all our senior players

 

[jackster83]

Daniel Talia. Has he been in the gym too much or has he been eating too many pies?

He looks so turgid he can barely run. He can’t move his legs to kick and is slow AF.

Does he wear an iron back brace or something? Because that’s what it looks like when he moves. I think Otten would be better value ATM.

Interrupted pre-season, but like Mackay we picked him anyway.

All this talk about a great pre-season was clearly just a lie. Greenwood, Gallucci, Mackay, Talia, Gibbs, Himmelberg, McPherson, McAdam, Hartigan, Otten, Jacobs and Brown just to name a few were all battling. Sure we got Brad Crouch back but not many came back looking fit other than Doedee and Milera.

 

[BRL121]

27 going on 47 years old.
It doesn't look like he will be playing much longer, but I'm sure we will try and run him into the ground like all our senior players

You may be right there, in which case we need to prioritise a Talia replacement soon! Unlike the forwards, we don't seem to have any on board now.

 

[maxlilly]

You may be right there, in which case we need to prioritise a Talia replacement soon! Unlike the forwards, we don't seem to have any on board now.

Hopefully Jordan Butts can fill the role but he may still be a year or two away

 

[CrowBloke]

remember the game at west lakes in the 90s against a deplorable Fitzroy?
i think it was the game that killed Robert Shaws coaching career?

I know the game you mean, but
Robert Shaw killed Robert Shaw's coaching career .