Preview Changes V GWS

[Elite Crow]

Feel free to dig up my old posts from after that game. I was quite supportive of the kid. I said that it was a learning experience for him and that expecting him to beat Judd was unrealistic, given that Judd has destroyed many players far better and more experienced than Kerridge. I specifically argued against dropping him on the back of that performance.

Lyons is an interesting case. From what they've said, they obviously don't think he's particularly quick. Adelaide aren't a team renowned for speed (other than Dangerfield), so he's too slow to be selected in a team which is already fairly slow. Just how slow is he? The kid obviously knows how to get the pill - his SANFL performances are proof of that. Is he good enough to make it despite a lack of pace, as Mitchell & Diesel have famously done, or will he end up being one of those players regarded as being a very good state league player without the attributes to succeed in the AFL?

These are not intended to be rhetorical questions. Only time will provide the answers.

You also held him responsible for Judd running amok in the first half and wouldn't acknowledge he went on to him at half time and kept him to 8 possessions. Perhaps you did but because you ignore my posts you decided to keep it to yourself

 

[Lawrst]

I've already made the assumption that Callinan will be omitted when the final team is announced. If you actually bothered to read my previous post, (given my stated assumption) you'd see that it boils down to 2 players vying for 1 position. Laird vs Jaensch.

You seem to miss my entire point. They play different positions.....

 

[knobby]

Just VB for Tambling I reckon

 

[Elite Crow]

Yes that appears to be the plan. Play the KIDS against the top teams to see if they're up to it and play the fading veterans against the bottom teams to boost their confidence. I think we can gain a real advantage from this since all the other top teams are doing exactly the opposite.

Like Neil did when he dropped Tex against Gold Coast?

 

[Vader]

You seem to miss my entire point. They play different positions.....

Largely irrelevant due to the maths. 23 does not go into 22.

You've stated that you believe it will be a choice between Callinan & Jaensch. Fair enough. Are you assuming that Laird is in, or out? If Laird is in, then there's no room for either Callinan or Jaensch. If you're assuming Laird is out, then it would indeed come down to a choice between Callinan & Jaensch. My assumption was that Callinan was first man out.

 

[Vader]

Well let's compare Rory Sloane to Jarryd Lyons.

Both were poorly regarded by other clubs and chosen low in the draft, in Rory's case he was completely overlooked in his first draft.

Both had their first year at the Crows decimated by injury.

Rory's form in the SANFL was encouraging but not scintillating (care to guess how many BOGs he had for North in his SANFL career Vader?).

Rory was given a chance and we just kept playing him. The only clear difference is that Rory was a cheeky young KID with heaps of media presence and Jarryd is a quiet lad.

Jarryd in no longer a KID, he is in his third year in the SANFL, he is the best performed player in the entire SANFL so far this year, if we don't play him now against the bottom team then when will we play him?

Both trained daily under the noses of their respective coaches, who quickly came to realise that Sloane had the attributes to succeed at the AFL level, whereas Lyons had the attributes to succeed at the SANFL level (but his chances of making it in the AFL were much, much lower).

 

[PykeDream]

Nothing I hate more than seeing a <21 year old player getting one game and then being unceremoniously dumped the following week. Lyons did not put a foot wrong against the best H&A team in the comp, and was composed both in the packs and on the outside.

The amount of times i've heard 'Oh I didn't see him, so he must have been crap' this week is infuriating. I don't notice Thompson out there half the time, doesn't mean he's a bad player at all.

Some posters were lambasting him for not standing up when the game was on the line. He was subbed halfway through the third quarter...

Wright among others deserve to go out before him IMO, it is GWS after all and we should take that opportunity to give games to young players.

Out: Wright, Tambling
In: Van Berlo, Henderson
Sub: Henderson/Mackay

 

[King Elvis]

Not sure what the issue is here... I was fine with LJ coming in last week. I posted multiple times that I didn't care whether he or SMACK got the opportunity - only that whoever the AFC chose would get an extended run.

Porps came in for Petrenko. Smack for Walker. No room for LJ. If we went in with LJ/Smack/Lynch/Jenkins that is a ridiculously unbalanced forward line.

Porps doesn't play the same role as Petrenko - we went with another marking forward, why didn't we go with the guy playing well in the SANFL, instead of the guy was just dropped?

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

I believe Jaensch has been dropped which will probably mean Rory Laird comes back in.

 

[AFC979810]

Porps doesn't play the same role as Petrenko - we went with another marking forward, why didn't we go with the guy playing well in the SANFL, instead of the guy was just dropped?

Because then we would have had JJ/Lynch/LJ/McKernan all in the same forward line. Far far too tall and slow.

 

[Jack is Back]

Like Neil did when he dropped Tex against Gold Coast?

Almost exactly the same except that Kerridge, Laird and Lyons all performed well last week and I'm pretty sure Tex failed to score in the coaches award in the 3 previous weeks before the Gold Coast match . Perhaps the Phil Davis ommission was a better example, although I don't seem to recall that we were playing the bottom team when we brought back the All Australian Centre Half Back.

 

[King Elvis]

Both trained daily under the noses of their respective coaches, who quickly came to realise that Sloane had the attributes to succeed at the AFL level, whereas Lyons had the attributes to succeed at the SANFL level (but his chances of making it in the AFL were much, much lower).

Wager that Lyons plays 50 AFL games, either for us, or someone else?

 

[SydCrow]

Wager that Lyons plays 50 AFL games, either for us, or someone else?

I would have had that bet re Kerridge before last week.

 

[cmndstab]

Well we should only draft guns in future.

Or apparently just play anyone we draft because, otherwise, why bother drafting them at all? It's only logical!!

You draft players based on a projection. Then you play them based on how well they are tracking. I agree that we could do with some tweaking in terms of how much we expect from our youngsters before we consider them to have "forced" their way in (or, conversely, how disappointing we expect the established players to perform before we're willing to drop them), but the idea that you just play anyone because you rated them when you drafted them is ridiculous.

So we justify not playing Lyons because he wasn't a high draft pick.

Thank god we didn't make this mistake with other low draft picks who's form in the SANFL was significantly below Jarryd's.

Like Rory Sloane

Rory Sloane's SANFL form was fantastic, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. He also received his token game or two before eventually establishing a spot, and seems to be tracking fairly well, so all in all I'm in favour of the approach used there.

 

[Elite Crow]

Almost exactly the same except that Kerridge, Laird and Lyons all performed well last week and I'm pretty sure Tex failed to score in the coaches award in the 3 previous weeks before the Gold Coast match . Perhaps the Phil Davis ommission was a better example, although I don't seem to recall that we were playing the bottom team when we brought back the All Australian Centre Half Back.

Lyons was subbed, they mustn't have been that happy with his game

 

[Elite Crow]

Because then we would have had JJ/Lynch/LJ/McKernan all in the same forward line. Far far too tall and slow.

Porps came in as a marking forward didn't he? And he's slow at the moment

 

[Tex200]

Porps came in as a marking forward didn't he? And he's slow at the moment

Exactly. We picking Porps for pace are we???? Massive lol

 

[Slippery Pete]

Who would you guys omit to keep Lyons in the side?

Doughty.

 

[AFC979810]

Porps came in as a marking forward didn't he? And he's slow at the moment

Exactly. We picking Porps for pace are we???? Massive lol

To Elite Crow I never said he was picked as a marking forward. He came in as a small forward who knows how to lead and kick goals. In a forward line devoid of goalkickers - we needed his ability to kick goals.

Peter J - I never said we picked him because he has pace. We picked him because he is a small forward with experience (and our only proven forward available). Here is a question for you - if the ball goes to ground who do you want around the contest? Between Porps / LJ / Smack / Lynch / JJ give me Porps any day of the week.

My original point is that I was happy with Porps selection for the Hawthorn game because he was our only proven forward left. I used the comparison of last years forward line to the forward line we had going in against Hawthorn:

2012 Forward Line:
Resting Mid / Tippett / Callinan
Petrenko / Walker / Porps

2013 Forward Line:
Resting Mid / JJ / Lynch
Resting Mid / Smack / Porps

We brought Porps in because if we didn't our forward line would consist of 4 Tall forwards (with a wealth of 59 games between the 4 of them) and 2 resting midfielders. So for the Hawks game we should have had LJ / JJ / Lynch / Smack playing up forward? I maintain that forward line is way too tall and slow.

Lets be real here.... The selections were pretty straight forward from the Carlton game to the Hawks game.

Out Laird - In Lyons
Out Walker - In SMACK - Direct Replacement
Out Pets - In Porps. - Direct Replacement

 

[Slippery Pete]

I would leave out Porplyzia, Callinan

Are you advocating a permanent line through Porplyzia?

There are shades of grey in all this. Porplyzia is out of form but he's 28 - he's not part of Dad's Army just yet. If we secretly believe his injury issues mean he's no longer up to it then this is surely a call we make at the end of last year, or at the trade table. Otherwise, he's a vital cog in the team and 28 is not an age to be putting lines through players.

As for Callinan, I still think he offers a specific quality to the team that is irreplaceable at the moment. Sanderson knows this.

Other than that, what you've said is fair enough.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Almost exactly the same except that Kerridge, Laird and Lyons all performed well last week and I'm pretty sure Tex failed to score in the coaches award in the 3 previous weeks before the Gold Coast match . Perhaps the Phil Davis ommission was a better example, although I don't seem to recall that we were playing the bottom team when we brought back the All Australian Centre Half Back.

Port.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

Assuming the 3 emergencies come from the extended bench, you would think that VB and Kerridge are definitely in. That leaves 2 out of Henderson, Lyons, Laird, Jaensch and Callinan. I think Hendo is very likely to be in, so one of Lyons, Laird, Jaensch and Callinan.

I reckon Laird would be a lukewarm favourite, with Jaensch and Callinan decent chances and Lyons a distant 4th in the betting.

Personally, I would lump Callinan in with Johncock in the "not part of our next flag so don't bother" pile. To be fair, I've been saying that since we drafted him.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Assuming the 3 emergencies come from the extended bench, you would think that VB and Kerridge are definitely in. That leaves 2 out of Henderson, Lyons, Laird, Jaensch and Callinan. I think Hendo is very likely to be in, so one of Lyons, Laird, Jaensch and Callinan.

I reckon Laird would be a lukewarm favourite, with Jaensch and Callinan decent chances and Lyons a distant 4th in the betting.

Personally, I would lump Callinan in with Johncock in the "not part of our next flag so don't bother" pile. To be fair, I've been saying that since we drafted him.

As mentioned above, Jaensch has been dropped.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

As mentioned above, Jaensch has been dropped.

I believe you, how do you know?

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

I believe you, how do you know?

Just do.