Changes v GWS

[El_Scorcho]

WTF!! .... Are you taking the Piss? .... I must have been watching a different match. Clurey has shown something since coming in, but he was spun a merry dance last week! He will be a port player for many years, and play many games for us. A spell in the Magpies after last week won't hurt, and will allow him to play finals. Sure people might disagree, but the insults to Ken and the club are nothing short of disgraceful, and for some posts, even stronger ... Disgusting!

Maybe you were watching a different match.

Most of the people posting here are long term paid up club members and have every right to be filthy if they feel that the coaches are making poor decisions.

Ken is a good coach. He isn't a great coach yet. We don't have to treat him like an unquestionable football genius. He makes mistakes and he's made a few big ones here.

 

[Janus]

That doesn't follow. Our forward line hasn't functioned because of overall gameday strategy and ball movement. 3 talls is the correct amount.

When we are playing well, absolutely it is. But our gameplan has been stifled through clogging the corridor and having a ruck who can't take a contested mark to save himself, leading to our ball movement to be slow and glacial because they don't have that extra mid to push through and generate run. We've robbed Peter to pay Paul this year. Now, we can either say 'suck it up' and watch as the tall you want to develop gets a 1 chalked up against his name in terms of games played, but doesn't actually learn anything from the experience (the Primus method), or we can fix the glaring issue that is our defensive run and midfield. Stop the bleeding first, then you can worry about the fact you don't have an arm.

So now Clurey shouldn't play at AFL level because he might learn bad habits? Was his game last week evidence of these bad habits? Are you expecting that Clurey will see Jonas totally lose his man and fall over and think that's what he should be doing? Will he be seeing any less of this play by watching from the stands?

It's just Ken's MO. He did it with Hombsch in 2013 and you went ape over that too. He doesn't play key position players for more than 10 games in a season. I don't know why you're surprised about it since it's happened before.

Aaaaand we're back to Tom Logan drives a ute picking people who have no business in an AFL game because they try hard. I'm not saying pick Moore or Young, but jesus.

If someone plays an outstanding game at SANFL level, and gets selected, does it show they get picked because they try hard? Or does it show that they get picked because that is the level of performance that the younger players should be striving for in order to gain selection? I don't think Mitchell has a future at this level either, but he's on the list at the moment, and he was the best player for the Magpies. His selection is more an indictment on the other two, IMO.

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This is gold pass horseshit.

Yes, we'd be hoping to carry most of the squad through to our flag tilt, but that doesn't mean individual players who have lost their mojo can't be replaced. There is absolutely no good reason to pick Jonas over Clurey this week. Jonas has learned absolutely nothing by being dropped and hasn't been made to force his way back in.

Clurey fair and square replaced him for the better. If Jonas wants his spot back, he has to win it back.

I don't agree with it, I'm just giving what could be reasons for it. Maybe Clurey was so concerned with taking his player out of the game that he forgot about team defense? Maybe he's feeling fatigued after having to try to carry the defense last week? Who knows? It's a strange call but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it because I know the coaches would have told Tom exactly the reason why he was sent back to the Magpies.

No, but the season is done. Playing Harvey means that maybe next year when the players have regained their mojo and we lose Dixon to an injury in round 22, we can bring in Harvey and he's got some experience at AFL level. You need to use this sort of opportunity to develop depth, and we've absolutely wasted that opportunity.

I'd much prefer resting a player like Schulz (if he stays) through away games and giving Harvey or whoever exposure to lesser opponents. So that he doesn't have to feel responsible for the team's fortunes because they will win regardless even though it's a 'live' game. Same result, but a little bit more riding on his performance but no real downside other than that.

I would happily get belted in every SANFL game for the rest of our existence if it means we consistently make the right decisions for our AFL list. I don't give a shit about park football and neither should our AFL coaches.

Again, you're assuming you know all the facts behind the selection. I said it was strange.

Our ultrapace slingshot gameplan has been figured out. Playing another tall has always been the plan, as evidenced by the talking up of Butcher in the 2014 preseason and the recruitment of Ryder. You're connecting 2 things that aren't connected. We are playing shit football. Our forwardline structure has changed. You're applying cause and effect when there is none. In 2015 we've lost our runners to poor form and injury for long periods of time and teams have gone hyperdefensive against us. The game has changed. We still need marking targets inside 50.

Playing an extra tall is the end game, no doubts there. But when you play an extra tall, where is that player coming from out of the 18 that take the field? Out of the midfield or out of defense. Instead of a 7-6-5 that we played last year, with two talls and three smalls in the forward line and a plus one in defense, we are playing a 7-5-6 or even a 8-5-5 sometimes. It's connected. It's not the reason we are playing shit, but if the main issue is that our players are down on form and confidence, what's the harm in giving them some support for a few games so they remember how they used to play? Our mids aren't going to recapture any sort of form if they are subjected to the same beatdown in midfield every single game.

I expected them to work out that they have to run harder by now, but if the coaches have to give them some training wheels, so be it.

And we're 12 months later and Lobbe and Jonas have been absolutely terrible all year, and in the mean time a bunch of players have developed. Our prelim final side isn't our best 22. I'm not sure why it's being used as a measuring stick, especially when several of the players in it don't deserve their spot in August 2015.

We torched Hawthorn with God mode football in one quarter without Gray and Wines. The best football we've played all year. Is that a better reference point? Because I'm pretty sure Mitchell played that game....

What does this even mean? It seems like we've been babysitting Lobbe in the AFL side all year. What has O'Shea done to deserve his spot? Were we "babysitting" Clurey when he was among our best and definitely our best defender last week? What has Kane Mitchell done at AFL level to make you think that playing him gets us closer to winning a flag? Why should Tom Jonas have a gold pass despite a full season of terrible football?

Creating premiership lists is about making hard calls at the right time and developing depth. If we want to win a flag with this list, it's about time we started doing that.

As I've said, I wish we could do a 'sliding doors' and you could get your wish. All I know is that there are certain key elements that every coach looks for his players to do. He doesn't go out and say 'Hey, let's pick the worst performing players when we could be developing young players'. Perhaps O'Shea is being played because he's being shopped around and we don't want his last game being that of a 10 goal thumping? Maybe Mitchell is being played to incentivize guys like Young and Moore to take their chances when they get them? Maybe Clurey is feeling fatigued and Burgess has said that 9-10 games is his limit for this year? Maybe Jonas has incriminating photos of Ken with Hocking in a cat suit?

Make the hard calls with all the relevant information. We only have what we see, but maybe what we see and what the coaches want are two different things.

 

[Francis Soyer]

Bulldogs had 5 players under 10 games play against us! Did this frazzle them?

Ken needs to look at how Luke Beveridge has picked his side over the past 20 games. He chooses on form not what they did 12 months ago. Divisions have been created.

Im not a Butcher fan but its funny that at the end of 2012 every port fan was praying he signed and 8 victorian clubs were chasing him! Was his fall from grace all him or is our development of players pretty average?

Im a big fan of Impey but as a youngster he has played his fair share of average games but continues to be played which I think is right for him and club long term. Compare this to Young who I don't think has played 3-4 consecutive games all year. Plays sub performs then starts the next game and then proceeds to be dropped to SANFL (rinse and repeat). Why do some players get nurturing but others are treated erratically. Surely you can't get any confidence with this treatment. How do you find out if players like Young, Ah Chee and Amon are AFL standard

 

[Harlott]

You haven't noticed that the only time we do well now, is when the players are behind, and throw the Ken play book out the window and do it themselves

Ken is a one trick pony and the trick (slingshot) don't work no more

Let's give him another year. So who gets the credit for 5 good to great finals in two years after being in the mire? Let me guess... Richo? Walsh? The players?

 

[Byrons Firen]

I don't mind selections. True to the rationale of past selections. Would prefer to see Tommy Logan have a game this year at AO. Looking forward to the game, it will be fun.

short people v Giants
wanna beat Port
kick it in the air

 

[1954]

Our talls and KPP's
Ryder
Trengove
Hombsch
Schulz
Westhoff

we have skinny O'shea 193cm or short but bulky Jonas 188cm to play KPD but **** all like that in our forward lines - ie Neade, S.Gray, White and Monfries and on the bench - Mitchell, Impey, and Krak . Johnny Butcher might be an emergency for a good reason.

Giants by name giants by selection
Corr 194/91
Davis 194/93
Haynes 192/92
Patton 198/103
Phillips 201/100
Cameron 196/93
Lobb 206/101
McCarthy 192/90

They also have Patfull 189/89 and Griffen 192/90 in the guts. And they like giants on their emergency list Tomlinson 193/94 Marchbank 193/90

Expect to see Jakey Neade take on Phil Davis for a quarter and a half and Sammy Gray to replicate his quarter and half on Harry Taylor act on Nick Haynes

Sh*t they have got some big campaigners, let's hope the ball spends more time on the carpet than it does is in the air, or things could get ugly.

 

[RossFC]

I would have dropped O'Shea or even Trengove (as crazy as it sounds) before dropping Clurey.

 

[Troopsy]

Yeah I'm concerned that we are quite outsized

 

[ozph1870]

selections... oh well, no howard.....carn ken, give the fans (me) what they (i) want....
would have been nice to see palmer or harvey have a crack against he giants.
still havent seen last weeks game,ill asume 22 could have been dropped from that match.

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[Shaucob_Burjan]

You are now reminded that Mitchell, Impey, SGray, O'Shea, Neade are playing in the AFL side.

 

[Coobk001]

WTF!! .... Are you taking the Piss? .... I must have been watching a different match. Clurey has shown something since coming in, but he was spun a merry dance last week! He will be a port player for many years, and play many games for us. A spell in the Magpies after last week won't hurt, and will allow him to play finals. Sure people might disagree, but the insults to Ken and the club are nothing short of disgraceful, and for some posts, even stronger ... Disgusting!

I honestly thought he was smashed last week but I can't fathom dropping him. Perfect opportunity to get games into our depth and he should've been persisted with.

 

[Spadge]

should have left Colquhoun, Moore and Young in and brought Amon in and dropped Westhoff, Schulz, Trengove, and Ryder

 

[Del80659]

the way i'm trying to make sense of it is basically first understanding that gold passes will exist whether we like it or not. i think the term gold pass is way too loose though. does jonas have a gold pass? i think it's logical to see that it would've been only a matter of time before clurey came back out for jonas. as much as we'd love the idea of truly only picking the very best available that week, like it was FIFA where you can see exactly how fit everyone is (and i'm not trying to patronise anyone with that analogy), hinkley knows these players very well by now and the exact hierarchy of our list. he knows jonas is an AFL player who was never going to spend too long in the maggies, i mean say we actually threw the whole lot out and played a whole bunch of kids just because we have four dead rubbers left - what does that do to the AFL players who have been shunned aside? sure they may 'deserve' a spell in the SANFL but that is more demoralising then anything else and sure you can say "they betta toughen up and play so they make sure they dont play SANFL again" (that was a bit patronising) but it just doesn't work like that either does it, we'll never see it that way, there are way too many factors to play for it to be as simple and beautiful as that at AFL level.

 

[El_Scorcho]

When we are playing well, absolutely it is. But our gameplan has been stifled through clogging the corridor and having a ruck who can't take a contested mark to save himself, leading to our ball movement to be slow and glacial because they don't have that extra mid to push through and generate run. We've robbed Peter to pay Paul this year. Now, we can either say 'suck it up' and watch as the tall you want to develop gets a 1 chalked up against his name in terms of games played, but doesn't actually learn anything from the experience (the Primus method), or we can fix the glaring issue that is our defensive run and midfield. Stop the bleeding first, then you can worry about the fact you don't have an arm.

We have a ruckman who can't take a mark, so let's play Ryder in the ruck and pick a tall who might give us an option up forward.

When Lobbe is offering nothing and Ryder is in the ruck, we don't have a forward who can clunk marks in a congested forwardline. Neither Schulz or Westhoff are pack markers.

The season is shot. Give Harvey a run. It won't hurt and may even help our structure.

It's just Ken's MO. He did it with Hombsch in 2013 and you went ape over that too. He doesn't play key position players for more than 10 games in a season. I don't know why you're surprised about it since it's happened before.

I'm not surprised, I'm angry.

If someone plays an outstanding game at SANFL level, and gets selected, does it show they get picked because they try hard? Or does it show that they get picked because that is the level of performance that the younger players should be striving for in order to gain selection? I don't think Mitchell has a future at this level either, but he's on the list at the moment, and he was the best player for the Magpies. His selection is more an indictment on the other two, IMO.

Again, and we've been through this over and over and over, the SANFL isn't the same as the AFL. Expecting developing players to dominate the SANFL like a Sandover Medallist state league specialist who dominates the state league based on attributes that don't translate to AFL football is silly.

Would Ken be playing the Gowans brothers now if they'd found their way onto our list?

I don't agree with it, I'm just giving what could be reasons for it. Maybe Clurey was so concerned with taking his player out of the game that he forgot about team defense? Maybe he's feeling fatigued after having to try to carry the defense last week? Who knows? It's a strange call but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it because I know the coaches would have told Tom exactly the reason why he was sent back to the Magpies.

It's not just about Jonas's performance now. It's not a punishment, it's picking the player who has done more and shown more to deserve his spot. Clurey earned his spot. If Jonas was going to be gifted an AFL return, it makes no sense to replace an in form player and not O'Shea.

I'd much prefer resting a player like Schulz (if he stays) through away games and giving Harvey or whoever exposure to lesser opponents. So that he doesn't have to feel responsible for the team's fortunes because they will win regardless even though it's a 'live' game. Same result, but a little bit more riding on his performance but no real downside other than that.

Again, the season is over. There is no pressure to win. Harvey will take a 3rd defender anyway. Like every other developing tall in the league.

How do you think other teams do this?

Again, you're assuming you know all the facts behind the selection. I said it was strange.

They listed Clurey as an omission. If they wanted him to play SANFL for a rest or otherwise, they should have said so.

Playing an extra tall is the end game, no doubts there. But when you play an extra tall, where is that player coming from out of the 18 that take the field? Out of the midfield or out of defense. Instead of a 7-6-5 that we played last year, with two talls and three smalls in the forward line and a plus one in defense, we are playing a 7-5-6 or even a 8-5-5 sometimes. It's connected. It's not the reason we are playing shit, but if the main issue is that our players are down on form and confidence, what's the harm in giving them some support for a few games so they remember how they used to play? Our mids aren't going to recapture any sort of form if they are subjected to the same beatdown in midfield every single game.

Giving the midfield marking targets ahead of them as the defence floods back might give them a bit more confidence to move the ball.

We've lost confidence because we're constantly kicking into a sea of defenders and we've started to 2nd guess ourselves.

Our lack of run isn't a lack of run (or wasn't when the season was a on the line) but a lack of knowing where to run when teams block up all of the space we had last year.

I expected them to work out that they have to run harder by now, but if the coaches have to give them some training wheels, so be it.

It's initiated as a strategy issue. The coaches need to give themselves training wheels. Our confidence issues have stemmed from being outcoached for most of the year.

We torched Hawthorn with God mode football in one quarter without Gray and Wines. The best football we've played all year. Is that a better reference point? Because I'm pretty sure Mitchell played that game....

Mitchell always looks great when we're winning and always offers nothing when we're losing.

We also torched Hawthorn by exploiting having extra talks up forward when Lake went down. Our midfielders had marking targets and moved the ball confidently.

Hawthorn also didn't play defensively to counter us like most teams we play.

As I've said, I wish we could do a 'sliding doors' and you could get your wish. All I know is that there are certain key elements that every coach looks for his players to do. He doesn't go out and say 'Hey, let's pick the worst performing players when we could be developing young players'. Perhaps O'Shea is being played because he's being shopped around and we don't want his last game being that of a 10 goal thumping? Maybe Mitchell is being played to incentivize guys like Young and Moore to take their chances when they get them? Maybe Clurey is feeling fatigued and Burgess has said that 9-10 games is his limit for this year? Maybe Jonas has incriminating photos of Ken with Hocking in a cat suit?

Make the hard calls with all the relevant information. We only have what we see, but maybe what we see and what the coaches want are two different things.

I've seen enough this year to know that the coaches have made a lot of bad calls, and have failed to address a lot of issues that have derailed our season.

These issues can be fixed, but the coaches need to learn lessons just as the players do.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

When we are playing well, absolutely it is. But our gameplan has been stifled through clogging the corridor and having a ruck who can't take a contested mark to save himself, leading to our ball movement to be slow and glacial because they don't have that extra mid to push through and generate run. We've robbed Peter to pay Paul this year. Now, we can either say 'suck it up' and watch as the tall you want to develop gets a 1 chalked up against his name in terms of games played, but doesn't actually learn anything from the experience (the Primus method), or we can fix the glaring issue that is our defensive run and midfield. Stop the bleeding first, then you can worry about the fact you don't have an arm....

Why do you automatically think that will happen and automatically think we will fix up our issues by picking another short arsed mid fielder/forward type for another game?

Give a KPF kid a go, he plays well gets hit on the chest 3 or 4 times, goes back and slots 3 goals and he gets something that no drug dealer can even supply - confidence. He can take that confidence in to the next game or next season as he knows he is good enough to play at that level. And if he doesnt do well then its head down bum up and keep on working the next week either in the A's or he goes back the B's.

Playing another mid to supposedly fix up our run, so that when the ball is moved down the ground and all the player sees is Jake Neade on Phil Davis and thinks ****, thats not even a 50-50 contest, then starts thinking what do I do, stops, props and if he doesnt have a lateral option, then goes backwards and our run forward dries up. How does that fix up our running issues?

Ken's plan A has been an abject failure this year. Its time to start working on plan B, C, D etc. Now is the time to start on a new plan, not just repeat and rinse a failed one.

 

[ozph1870]

coaches always have and always will have their favourites.

 

[Dylan8]

Give a KPF kid a go, he plays well gets hit on the chest 3 or 4 times, goes back and slots 3 goals and he gets something that no drug dealer can even supply - confidence. He can take that confidence in to the next game or next season as he knows he is good enough to play at that level. And if he doesnt do well then its head down bum up and keep on working the next week either in the A's or he goes back the B's.

The thing to take out of this is that it's a nothing to lose/all to gain proposition.

 

[*PAF]

...

Why do some players get nurturing but others are treated erratically. Surely you can't get any confidence with this treatment. How do you find out if players like Young, Ah Chee and Amon are AFL standard

This is a guess as we would need to know what his instructions, but Ken has shown over the last cpupke of years that he doesn't mind players making mistakes as long as they try to do what he asks them.
The B&F scoring will give us a better indication as that would be scored based on instructions more than anything else.

For mine I don't mind the changes but would have loved to see a rookie, however if both Ah Chee and Amon get full games that would be much the same.

Wrt Jonas he is most definitely AFL standard, but looks as if he has been hampered this year. Clurey, his time will come atm he isn't quite there and may be getting paced fitness wise.

 

[BIG MATTY WHITE]

the way i'm trying to make sense of it is basically first understanding that gold passes will exist whether we like it or not. i think the term gold pass is way too loose though. does jonas have a gold pass? i think it's logical to see that it would've been only a matter of time before clurey came back out for jonas. as much as we'd love the idea of truly only picking the very best available that week, like it was FIFA where you can see exactly how fit everyone is (and i'm not trying to patronise anyone with that analogy), hinkley knows these players very well by now and the exact hierarchy of our list. he knows jonas is an AFL player who was never going to spend too long in the maggies, i mean say we actually threw the whole lot out and played a whole bunch of kids just because we have four dead rubbers left - what does that do to the AFL players who have been shunned aside? sure they may 'deserve' a spell in the SANFL but that is more demoralising then anything else and sure you can say "they betta toughen up and play so they make sure they dont play SANFL again" (that was a bit patronising) but it just doesn't work like that either does it, we'll never see it that way, there are way too many factors to play for it to be as simple and beautiful as that at AFL level.

By why clurey?

Bring in Jonas....for ....hmmm oshea?

 

[RossFC]

should have left Colquhoun, Moore and Young in and brought Amon in and dropped Westhoff, Schulz, Trengove, and Ryder

Tommy Logan in for Hombsch too.

 

[Traveling_Power]

Fringe players pay the price again.

What a surprise.

Fringe players that were dropped still need to qualify for the SANFL final series

 

[Traveling_Power]

WOW .... how our supporters don't like the selections for GWS (and don't see the bigger picture).... I think we have done well in the selections especially once you read this (from the Port web site)

11 AFL-listed Port Adelaide players qualify for SANFL finals, others remain in the mix

August 12, 2015 6:26 PM

THE SANFL has released a list of AFL players eligible to participate in the league's 2015 finals series
Port Adelaide still needs to win one of its final three games to qualify for SANFL finals, however 11
of its players currently qualify to play.

A number of others, including Kane Mitchell, Andrew Moore, Jake Neade, Cam O'Shea and Sam Colquhoun are
verging on qualification.

The qualification rules for AFL-listed players were changed for 2015, with players now needing to both
play the majority of their seasons in the SANFL, including three games after June 30.Previously, a player needed only to play
either the majority of the season, or three of their last five games in the competition.

All of Port Adelaide's 15 league-contracted players, including SANFL captain Steven Summerton, are eligible
to play League finals as long as they have played in either three senior or reserves-grade games.

Port Adelaide's current finals-qualified players

Karl Amon
Logan Austin (currently injured -season )
John Butcher
Darcy Byrne-Jones
William Frampton
Mitchell Harvey
Dougal Howard
Tom Logan
Jesse Palmer
Jarrad Redden
Johann Wagner

So we have these players only to play in the finals ... currently Hoon cant play SANFL Finals ... Clurey cant play SANFL Finals ... Moore cant play SANFL finals... Youngy cant play SANFL finals .... So we need to slowly bring these players into the Magpies side (maybe one or two at a time)

We will need these players to qualify for SANFL finals so we can go up against both Norwood & the Eagles in the Grand Final (if we get to it) We definitely need Clurey in the SANFL now that Austin is out for the year ... Jonas and Monfries cant qualify for the SANFL Finals no matter what ... so they are the choices for replacement for those that still need to qualify....

Currently the Power's season is dusted .... while the Magpies season is very much alive .... so have faith in the club I think we need some more positives in this season ... and I am very glad that the club has made moves with dropping some players who still need to qualify for the SANFL finals. I want us to do well in the SANFL finals .. I want us to have a very good chance to win against Norwood and the Eagles ...

Also for those who don't understand why we didn't promote Redden / Frampton for Lobbe ... it was mention in the selection article (on the club web site) and what was said in this article was "Meantime both Jarrad Redden will miss the Friday night SANFL game. Redden will be held over as part of his body management program, Redden will be available to play against South Adelaide"

so Lobbe and Frampton will be ruck for the Magpies

 

[TeeKray]

The Clurey omission is pretty baffling. There must be something more to that.

The rest of the selections are a bit 'meh' for me. Unfortunately, shuffling deck chairs is pretty much where we are at. We have to pick 22 players each week when maybe there are only a dozen who actually deserve their spot in the team. After that dozen we have about 20 players who you could make arguments for each way.

I don't really care anymore anyway. I'm looking forward to having Wines and Polec back in the team and maybe a recruit or two over the off season that might transform the team a little bit. These selections will mean nothing by round one next year.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

WOW .... how our supporters don't like the selections for GWS (and don't see the bigger picture).... I think we have done well in the selections especially once you read this (from the Port web site)

11 AFL-listed Port Adelaide players qualify for SANFL finals, others remain in the mix

August 12, 2015 6:26 PM

THE SANFL has released a list of AFL players eligible to participate in the league's 2015 finals series
Port Adelaide still needs to win one of its final three games to qualify for SANFL finals, however 11
of its players currently qualify to play.

A number of others, including Kane Mitchell, Andrew Moore, Jake Neade, Cam O'Shea and Sam Colquhoun are
verging on qualification.

The qualification rules for AFL-listed players were changed for 2015, with players now needing to both
play the majority of their seasons in the SANFL, including three games after June 30.Previously, a player needed only to play
either the majority of the season, or three of their last five games in the competition.

All of Port Adelaide's 15 league-contracted players, including SANFL captain Steven Summerton, are eligible
to play League finals as long as they have played in either three senior or reserves-grade games.

Port Adelaide's current finals-qualified players

Karl Amon
Logan Austin (currently injured -season )
John Butcher
Darcy Byrne-Jones
William Frampton
Mitchell Harvey
Dougal Howard
Tom Logan
Jesse Palmer
Jarrad Redden
Johann Wagner

So we have these players only to play in the finals ... currently Hoon cant play SANFL Finals ... Clurey cant play SANFL Finals ... Moore cant play SANFL finals... Youngy cant play SANFL finals .... So we need to slowly bring these players into the Magpies side (maybe one or two at a time)

We will need these players to qualify for SANFL finals so we can go up against both Norwood & the Eagles in the Grand Final (if we get to it) We definitely need Clurey in the SANFL now that Austin is out for the year ... Jonas and Monfries cant qualify for the SANFL Finals no matter what ... so they are the choices for replacement for those that still need to qualify....

Currently the Power's season is dusted .... while the Magpies season is very much alive .... so have faith in the club I think we need some more positives in this season ... and I am very glad that the club has made moves with dropping some players who still need to qualify for the SANFL finals. I want us to do well in the SANFL finals .. I want us to have a very good chance to win against Norwood and the Eagles ...

Also for those who don't understand why we didn't promote Redden / Frampton for Lobbe ... it was mention in the selection article (on the club web site) and what was said in this article was "Meantime both Jarrad Redden will miss the Friday night SANFL game. Redden will be held over as part of his body management program, Redden will be available to play against South Adelaide"

so Lobbe and Frampton will be ruck for the Magpies

So you are saying we drop Clurey to play in SANFL finals?? I am pro One Club but bugger me that is taking it all a bit too far if true.

 

[FallingLiefs]

Didn't think Clurey was as fantastic as people are saying on here last week. Wouldn't have dropped him before O'Shea but had Pittard played that game the knives would be out(unjustifiably albeit). Jonas in I can't comment on, haven't seen his games... but 3 games in the wilderness is enough and I'm just happy that we won't be going in with excessively slow backline had we brought him in alongside Clurey.

Backline of:

Jonas Hombsch Trengove
O'Shea Clurey Broadbent (Jasper)

Would bring tears to my eyes as Jasper was forced to make some of the ugliest mistakes ever seen as none of those are in a position to help us provide forward momentum. So as far as that goes I understand the Clurey thing.

Another thing I'd like to add is our kids are very overrated while I'd like to see them get game time, I couldn't pick one that I would consider playing well enough to be selected.

Great to see butch get named in the emergencies really hope he gets a gig he deserves it as his turn around has been quite amazing for a player who I considered an un-natural footballer. To go back and perform like that with little practice is quite immense.

Really hope we rookie him as unless someone grows some balls at the list management table our hand will be forced on him.

Like I said earlier in this thread, the warning came club wide last week. Everyone is on notice, non performers this week should be culled and blooding starts next week if we lose.