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[Cobbler]

Thanks for the response . 4 years on a list is a long time when all you have to show is a pontential tag. Would he get a game for the Hawks. They seem to be the measuring stick for whether a player is good enough.

Would he get a game for the Hawks? Probably not.

What I would say is if he did get a game and was given the opportunity to play the Puopolo role, I think he could do it better.

I've said it before but I think our game style didn't match up to his player traits. Hence my comment about he's not a 'play your role' type guy.

If I wanted to make a super critical comment I'd say he's a down hill skier but would possibly do it much better then others who play that role for other clubs.

 

[Cobbler]

In other words.

Imagine asking Warner or Maxwell to block it out. It's not natural.

Crozier is being asked to block it out.

 

[SHill Shall]

A legit question and I'm not being a smart arse but can you tell me what this x factor is that Crosier possesses.

Sorry Salim - one of your greatest fans, but this exchange reminded me of the time John Cleese asked "what have the Romans ever done for us?"!!

 

[Spirit Level]

Thanks for the response . 4 years on a list is a long time when all you have to show is a pontential tag. Would he get a game for the Hawks. They seem to be the measuring stick for whether a player is good enough.

IMO Crozier would flourish in Hawthorns system

 

[MadDocker]

So would a lot of players. Let our Hill run around with Hawks for a season and see what happens. Same goes for Fyfe, Walters, Sheridan, Weller etc etc etc.

 

[salim malik]

Sorry Salim - one of your greatest fans, but this exchange reminded me of the time John Cleese asked "what have the Romans ever done for us?"!!

They gave us MORABITO.

 

[Kunna17]

easy to see why Ross persisted with Hill across half-back. As has already been stated, we need 2/3 mundy-type players across there so other teams can't just lock down on one. Like the Bulldogs have such a strong halfback line (before injuries) and Hawthorn role each of Hodge/Burgoyne/Mitchell back to create as well as having a very strong backline.

Spurr works hard and is our best option defending the oppositions best forward, but his ball use is not outstanding. I think we can carry one player like him.
Sutcliffe/Sheridan aren't delivering to the required standard, but our in our side for this distrubiting type play, yet neither one of them are very good 1 on 1 defenders. We can maybe carry one of them.
Ibbotson has already been dropped, which I believe is because him and Spurr can't both play in the same side due to ball movement issues. (not a bad kick, but not particularly strong)
Johnson is injured and Mundy seems to have fit into his role.
A.Pearce is actually very good with the ball, his kicking is not brilliant but is good enough and he is able to release runners due to his clean hands and the way he runs at the ball. Despite so/so kicking he is good for our ball movement.
Dawson is obviously very poor for us in terms of ball movement and distribution of the ball (can put others under pressure) however he is also our best 1 on 1 defender against the monsters.

Ideally I think we need upgrades/better performances out of Spurr, Sutcliffe and Sheridan, as well as a better distributor than Dawson (I'm not a Dawson hater)
Overall I think our best backline (despite some not proven) may look like -
FB - Morabito A.Pearce Spurr
HB - Mundy Johnson Tucker

I think having 4 tall defenders gives us more versatility in terms of who our free man is. Spurrs kicking needs work, but he is a solid intercept player as well, whilst Tucker is renowned for being a skillful player coming out of the back half. We do still seem a little slow back there and I wouldn't mind seeing players such as Weller/Walters/Crozier spending time back either (unfortunately we need them further up the ground as well but Walters in particular could make a very strong small defender)

 

[Dockernut]

Sorry Salim - one of your greatest fans, but this exchange reminded me of the time John Cleese asked "what have the Romans ever done for us?"!!

I kind of see where Salim's going there. Crozier promises so much flashy gun forward and delivers very little IMO.

Will always remember when he ran in the GF sprint and my mate, a Dees supporter who doesn't know a lot about Freo, said of Crozier's chances of winning: "Only if there's a mirror on the finish line."

I'm off 'im.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Really,plenty of classy goals ?.

He's kicked quite a few snaps over the shoulder from 35-40 that over half the side couldn't kick. I'm not saying he's a superstar because he isn't, but he has been treated very poorly by the selection committee and has deserved better. Has plenty of likeable attributes for a footballer, athletic, good mark and a good kick. Certainly worth persisting with.

 

[Van_Dyke]

His game against the Cats in Geelong was apart of that stretch, think he kicked 2 or 3. The forward line looked dangerous back then.

We looked potent and strong. The first 8 rounds is what cost us that year

 

[stax on the mull]

Took Michael Walters about 4 years to make it.

 

[ydraw]

Thanks for the response . 4 years on a list is a long time when all you have to show is a pontential tag. Would he get a game for the Hawks. They seem to be the measuring stick for whether a player is good enough.

Crozier has spent 4 years on the list of a club that refused to play youth. In 4 years he's played 37 games, about 1/3rd of those as the sub.

Now that our outlook on playing youth has changed, he'll have a chance to show if he has what it takes at AFL level. A chance that he (and most of the other young players on our list) have yet to have.

 

[StingBitten]

Took Michael Walters about 4 years to make it.

He always had the talent though.

For a while he was Shane Yarran without the prison stuff.

 

[Sweetback]

Crozier has spent 4 years on the list of a club that refused to play youth. In 4 years he's played 37 games, about 1/3rd of those as the sub.

Now that our outlook on playing youth has changed, he'll have a chance to show if he has what it takes at AFL level. A chance that he (and most of the other young players on our list) have yet to have.

Well, except for those young players Neale, Sheridan and Sutcliffe, who he was drafted in the same year with.

I think the comparison with Sonny is fair. The penny hasn't dropped for Crozier yet, but it might if he keeps playing in the seniors.

 

[Nothing]

Crozier has spent 4 years on the list of a club that refused to play youth. In 4 years he's played 37 games, about 1/3rd of those as the sub.

Now that our outlook on playing youth has changed, he'll have a chance to show if he has what it takes at AFL level. A chance that he (and most of the other young players on our list) have yet to have.

Yet from the same draft we have Neale and Sutcliffe who have played twice as many games across that time. Why is Crozier different?

 

[AAACockburn]

Is Crozier the new whipping boy?
No one here has said he is great. A lot of level headed people have said he has deserved a right to prove himself for a few games more.
If he has not improved in a few more games then send him to the Magoos.
He must have pissed a few people off roostering around South Terrace.

 

[ydraw]

Yet from the same draft we have Neale and Sutcliffe who have played twice as many games across that time. Why is Crozier different?

He's different because he plays in a niche position and we already had other players filling those positions (Ballantyne and Mayne). Sutcliffe, Sheridan and Neale are midfielders. There's a dozen spots in a team for midfielders but only a couple for forwards. Hence it's much harder for forwards to break into a team, especially when the incumbents are basically undroppable, as Mayne and Ballanyne apparently are.

 

[PurpleWizard]

I can see Crozier being an great link up high forward type for us. I like the idea of us using him on the the spread and giving us some dash and class through the middle, who can hit the scoreboard. I hope he can turn into a 20+ touch and goal player for us, because he does have polish and the attributes to be a successful modern day footballer. We need better ball users and if Weller and Crozier can step up with Mundy, Son Son, Hill and Bennell our outside game starts to look very promising.

Where it currently sits though, I agree with other posters that Crozier's defensive mindset has killed any instinctive footy he's shown previously. He still has a weak frame who gives me no confidence in taking a mark on lead. He is lost and stagnant around stoppages and never seen getting front and centre. His footy smarts need to improve and and he has to learn how to find the footy, that said I'm not sure it can be taught, but that's the key for him making it. Hopefully playing consistent games at AFL level will help him find his place in the game. I still have some hope that things will click for him, but if he doesn't cement his spot the end of the season it's probably time to look elsewhere.

 

[aussieviking]

I think Crozier would make a wonderful half back. He seems to struggle to find the footy in the front half. Being a defender your opponent takes you to the footy.He has good foot skills and aerial ability. If he continues to struggle as a forward this might be his spot.

 

[MadDocker]

Will always remember when he ran in the GF sprint and my mate, a Dees supporter who doesn't know a lot about Freo, said of Crozier's chances of winning: "Only if there's a mirror on the finish line."

Hahahahaha that's a ripper

 

[Scham]

Hahahahaha that's a ripper

Reminds me of Brad Green. He used to look up at the big screen to watch himself in action whenever he got the ball.

 

[rgauci]

I can see Crozier being an great link up high forward type for us. I like the idea of us using him on the the spread and giving us some dash and class through the middle, who can hit the scoreboard. I hope he can turn into a 20+ touch and goal player for us, because he does have polish and the attributes to be a successful modern day footballer. We need better ball users and if Weller and Crozier can step up with Mundy, Son Son, Hill and Bennell our outside game starts to look very promising.

Where it currently sits though, I agree with other posters that Crozier's defensive mindset has killed any instinctive footy he's shown previously. He still has a weak frame who gives me no confidence in taking a mark on lead. He is lost and stagnant around stoppages and never seen getting front and centre. His footy smarts need to improve and and he has to learn how to find the footy, that said I'm not sure it can be taught, but that's the key for him making it. Hopefully playing consistent games at AFL level will help him find his place in the game. I still have some hope that things will click for him, but if he doesn't cement his spot the end of the season it's probably time to look elsewhere.

Nail hammer head. For a guy who's been on an AFL list for as long as him, the minimal development physically is dissapointing. He's got reasonable genes, his brother who isn't a professional athlete is more developed. Burst speed is poor which is all about muscle development. I haven't seen a skinny sprinter. Maybe it's our training program making endurance athletes and not contested beasts? Though not sure that's the case when you see FYfe becoming a monster. Physically he looks like a first or 2nd year player. Somethings gone wrong.

 

[wayToGo_]

Interesting summary of movement with AFL player ratings:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-05-04/player-ratings-the-risers-and-the-fallers

Ibbo is ranking higher than last year but gets omitted... interesting. Stats can be misleading but still think he was hard done by. Hope he comes back in but I want Hughes in as well.

 

[pavslovechild]

I can see Crozier being an great link up high forward type for us. I like the idea of us using him on the the spread and giving us some dash and class through the middle, who can hit the scoreboard. I hope he can turn into a 20+ touch and goal player for us, because he does have polish and the attributes to be a successful modern day footballer. We need better ball users and if Weller and Crozier can step up with Mundy, Son Son, Hill and Bennell our outside game starts to look very promising.

Where it currently sits though, I agree with other posters that Crozier's defensive mindset has killed any instinctive footy he's shown previously. He still has a weak frame who gives me no confidence in taking a mark on lead. He is lost and stagnant around stoppages and never seen getting front and centre. His footy smarts need to improve and and he has to learn how to find the footy, that said I'm not sure it can be taught, but that's the key for him making it. Hopefully playing consistent games at AFL level will help him find his place in the game. I still have some hope that things will click for him, but if he doesn't cement his spot the end of the season it's probably time to look elsewhere.

Agree with most but can't take a mark on the lead is not accurate... Think that's a strength of his from games I've watched peel and freo

 

[electricfeel]

Nail hammer head. For a guy who's been on an AFL list for as long as him, the minimal development physically is dissapointing. He's got reasonable genes, his brother who isn't a professional athlete is more developed. Burst speed is poor which is all about muscle development. I haven't seen a skinny sprinter. Maybe it's our training program making endurance athletes and not contested beasts? Though not sure that's the case when you see FYfe becoming a monster. Physically he looks like a first or 2nd year player. Somethings gone wrong.

I'm also disappointed in his physical development. But then I see someone like Jack Gunston who is fairly skinny and doesn't have much muscle and he is an absolute gun. Is that a player we should try and model Crozier off? He'd need to play more of a lead up role in the forward line but I think he's quite capable of that. Even Luke Breust isn't particularly big.