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[Elite Crow]

No thats wrong ....our star players and leaders have a different level of performance required ......saying that their still better than the kids is flawed
The team under that performance assessment will go backwards at a rate of knotts

You can't say would i drop Petrenko v Thommo ....... were talking about the different functions within the team

If the problem is forwrds and we're getting 50+ forward entries then you look at attacking forwards .... if the ball is coming out too easily from our forward 50 you look at players like Stiify, Petrenko, and Porplyzia

If we're not getting thee ball to the forwards either often enough or delivered correctly then it's the midfield

The inside 50's from Saturday were:
Adelaide - 51
Carlton - 64

So which area is mostly responsible for this result ......Pets or McKay?

No it's our much lauded midfield group that apparently is without scrutiny because of their Golden Pass .....so you can change all the other players all you like ....but that result above goes unchanged ....and you can't say the other players are not negatively impacted by the inactions of our midfield group

May not drop some of these players ....but i'd take them out of midfield rotations ....like Wright and maybe even Thommo

Yep let's take Thommo with his 27 possessions and Wright with his 20 and tagging duties out.
But if you insist on moving them out, yep switch Wright into Petrenkos role.
Our midfield is getting beaten but that doesn't impact on our defensive forward failing to stop Hanley, Walker, Goodes and who ever else has beaten him this year.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

I think the Hawks may have someone come under the tribunal scrutiny.

You referring to buddy in the last? I thought I saw him throw an elbow to Thompson whilst on the ground but it was never replayed.

 

[CrowCro]

Kerridge is a bit like Kane Johnston....no outstanding attribute and athletically worse than Kerridge

Think we agree Kane was a great player for this club

Kane had great vision and a great handball and good movement in traffic. Great attributes to have as an onballer

 

[StevenwellerHFC]

You referring to buddy in the last? I thought I saw him throw an elbow to Thompson whilst on the ground but it was never replayed.

Hopefully he gets rubbed out, will make for a more enjoyable game.

 

[CrowCro]

It's blatantly obvious amer is a preacher...

I dont understand how some players can do nothing and they are Big footy posters love chils and yet others can do nothing wrong and they are bombasted by the majority on here. Oh I get it as long as you are blonde ; )

 

[1970crow]

Because Kerridge is one of our two designated taggers - along with Wright. He's a direct replacement for VB. The whole idea of selecting Mackay in a tagging role is just plain ludicrous.

Now if you asked why Wright wasn't given the job, then you might have had a valid point.

Surely we can turn McKay into a tagger. And are you saying that kerridge is going to play out his entire career as a tagger. Talk about pigeon holing a player.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Have you seen kerridge lace out anyone?
Can't kick for shit IMO.

did you see Kane play in his first year at the club & with Sth Adelaide ? ......you wouldn't be asking that question if you had

At that stage Williams looked a far superior potential player and was taken higher in the draft ......well he bombed bigtime

 

[CrowCro]

BIG BIG Statement there by Campo ....hope he's right

No dropping D-Mac takes additional pace out of the side ....and that ATS is a real negative
If you drop someone like Pets then you have to have a replacement for the role .......IMO that can only be Wright who himself must be on shakey ground

But if Wright does replace Pets ....and I am not against that ....then Wrights role has to go to Riley and Lyons replaces Kerridge (if he is to be dropped???)

Really can't see the benefit of mainting Jacobs on current form ....unless he's carrying an injury which i doubt

Out: Petrenko, Walker, Kerridge, Brown

In: Johncock, Porplyzia, McKernan, Lyons

Brodie Martin can play the forwaRD ROLE AND IS QUICKER THAN WRIGHT

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yep let's take Thommo with his 27 possessions and Wright with his 20 and tagging duties out.
But if you insist on moving them out, yep switch Wright into Petrenkos role.
Our midfield is getting beaten but that doesn't impact on our defensive forward failing to stop Hanley, Walker, Goodes and who ever else has beaten him this year.

Ok back to same question if it's not Thommo or Wright ....then who's actually the problem players

Seems no-one can identify any player behind the 51 v 64 forwrd entries, the drop from number 2 in clearances last year to I think we're currently between 12-14th in the league

So no-ones to blame

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Brodie Martin can play the forwaRD ROLE AND IS QUICKER THAN WRIGHT

Think Brodie is like Jaensch ....he has natural attacking instincts

Wright & Riley have good down & dirty tackling habits and hunters of the ball ......IMO think they're better options

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Kane had great vision and a great handball and good movement in traffic. Great attributes to have as an onballer

yes but wee're remembering him as an experience player ....not how he started year one as an over weight slow hack, improving his fitness in year 2 to take a HB flank

Wee tend to remember players as we last saw them v how they started

 

[Elite Crow]

Ok back to same question if it's not Thommo or Wright ....then who's actually the problem players

Seems no-one can identify any player behind the 51 v 64 forwrd entries, the drop from number 2 in clearances last year to I think we're currently between 12-14th in the league

So no-ones to blame

They are all down a bit so it's hard to make someone the scapegoat. Besides I gave you a name, move Wright into Pets role.

If you want to look at it more closely its all stemming from Jacobs. He was hitting our mids on the chest last year and I dare say our midfield work over the preseason would have been based on that continuing. There's also the issue of Dangers output has dropped, that seems to be a result of Jacobs, the attention he's receiving and his knee. Would you like to see him dropped because his stats and impact is down.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

I agree he has been useless, and I do think he should be dropped. I'm just saying Sanderson clearly likes him, and may be tentative to throw someone new onto someone as good as Birchall. But yes, Petrenko should be dropped, preferably for someone like Lyons or Riley

He has given us next to nothing. I dont buy and am sick of hearing about his defensive presence.

He is playing as a forward. First and foremost he must contribute on the scoreboard and he doesn't and he hasn't done it anywere near good enough for a long time. Secondly its about applying defensive pressure in our forward 50 and how good he has done that is questionable.

Sando can't have a "defender" playing as a forward. It has gone on for too long without the results. Time for this love affair of Pets playing as a defensive forward to end.

He is either a forward who kicks goals or he goes into defence. Right now on his performances he is neither, time for a spell.
Sick of us persisting week after week with the same stuff that isn't working.

 

[Deaneus!]

We have a clearance player who has broken down and is now defecating on the door. Nah can't fit him in, team too strong.

First I thought, why is he defecating on a door if he's broken down? Shouldn't he be doing injury rehab?

Then I thought, he not only defecated on the door but then set it on fire and sacrificed a goat to his pagan gods to see if someone up there could hear our prayers.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

They are all down a bit so it's hard to make someone the scapegoat. Besides I gave you a name, move Wright into Pets role.

If you want to look at it more closely its all stemming from Jacobs. He was hitting our mids on the chest last year and I dare say our midfield work over the preseason would have been based on that continuing. There's also the issue of Dangers output has dropped, that seems to be a result of Jacobs, the attention he's receiving and his knee. Would you like to see him dropped because his stats and impact is down.

Yep i agree with those ....and add Thommo who definitely is not getting to contests with slowing leg speed

With the last qtr gameplan Thommo flourishes ......the spread under the new gameplan has Thommo not able to influence contests because he's too slow

I haven't said dropped anywhere .....i have said move out of the midfield till form returns .....coach did play him both forward and off HB on Saturday

Thommo's days as a midfielder may be, like Stiffy, coming to an end ........like Thommo as a forward, good mark and strong over the ball

Still missing speed thru midfield ......not sure there's a lot we can do ATS without using the likes of Mackay and Jaensch off the wings ??

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Agreed, it stems from Jacobs. If he's injured rest him ffs. Graham or McKernan...I'd be tempted to risk it on Smack. Slight height deficiency but huge leap.

Danger playing injured. More forward time with specifically timed midfield cameos until a rest when we play GWS.

Thompson to play forward a little more as an attacking move now Tex out but still integral to midfield obviously.

Vince to get back in the heat of midfield battle.

Wright back to forward line.

Sloane in the guts...he's our best player atm.

Heaven forbid Douglas deserves his mid minutes, easily the best form of his career.

Lyons and Riley in for some cameos and to build better midfield depth moving forward. I'd say short term pain, long term gain but its pretty bloody painful in there atm anyway.

 

[mcday]

He has given us next to nothing. I dont buy and am sick of hearing about his defensive presence.

He is playing as a forward. First and foremost he must contribute on the scoreboard and he doesn't and he hasn't done it anywere near good enough for a long time. Secondly its about applying defensive pressure in our forward 50 and how good he has done that is questionable.

Sando can't have a "defender" playing as a forward. It has gone on for too long without the results. Time for this love affair of Pets playing as a defensive forward to end.

He is either a forward who kicks goals or he goes into defence. Right now on his performances he is neither, time for a spell.
Sick of us persisting week after week with the same stuff that isn't working.

I agree with most of this, but I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised if Petrenko wasn't dropped, with Sanderson's reasoning being that he wants him to play on Birchall. Sanderson rates him far higher than every poster on here, clearly for his defensive work in the forward 50, not for his offensive impact. I'm sure Sanderson isn't so blind that he can't see how inept Pets is as a forward. Also, while he is a useless forward, you can't deny that he is decent at applying defensive pressure in the forward line. He makes multiple, hard running efforts at ball carriers, even if thats all he can actually do. Again, I do think that he should be dropped, I just don't think he will.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Ok back to same question if it's not Thommo or Wright ....then who's actually the problem players

Seems no-one can identify any player behind the 51 v 64 forwrd entries, the drop from number 2 in clearances last year to I think we're currently between 12-14th in the league

So no-ones to blame

Every single midfielder except Sloane (and Douglas if you consider him a mid) is well down on their form compared to last year. Dangerfield (has knee soreness), Thompson, Wright, Van Berlo (pre-injury), Porplyzia (spent some time in the midfield), Vince, Jacobs....every single one of them. We are also missing Tippett more than people are willing to admit. He provided get out target in the forward line but where we missed him the most is in the ruck backing up Jacobs. As a ruckman, Tippett also was a very good contested ball player as well as in close creating clearences or opportunities for those with his blocking/shepparding.

He might not have been our best player but he was structurally our most important player.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Thommo's days as a midfielder may be, like Stiffy, coming to an end ........like Thommo as a forward, good mark and strong over the ball

Still missing speed thru midfield ......not sure there's a lot we can do ATS without using the likes of Mackay and Jaensch off the wings ??

Yes to Thommo as a forward.

I'd say Martin and Henderson are best wing options (after Sloane but we haven't got 2 of him). Both run, carry and kick long. Hendo is a soft tackler but great 3rd man up aerially and running into plug holes so will help out defence. Both can kick the long goal. Both should be given a month of stability in a set position and we would see them flourish.

 

[amer]

Kerridge is a bit like Kane Johnston....no outstanding attribute and athletically worse than Kerridge

Think we agree Kane was a great player for this club

You're right, he isn't shit, he is Kane Johnson.

Cheers man.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Agreed, it stems from Jacobs. If he's injured rest him ffs. Graham or McKernan...I'd be tempted to risk it on Smack. Slight height deficiency but huge leap.

Danger playing injured. More forward time with specifically timed midfield cameos until a rest when we play GWS.

Thompson to play forward a little more as an attacking move now Tex out but still integral to midfield obviously.

Vince to get back in the heat of midfield battle.

Wright back to forward line.

Sloane in the guts...he's our best player atm.

Heaven forbid Douglas deserves his mid minutes, easily the best form of his career.

Lyons and Riley in for some cameos and to build better midfield depth moving forward. I'd say short term pain, long term gain but its pretty bloody painful in there atm anyway.

Agree, but I'm struggling to comprehend that we would continue to persist to play him in ruck if he was injured and not performing, then again we continue with Pets and that hasnt worked for ages.
And if he's not injured I'd be tempted to drop him. He's been spanked this year and this has clearly impacted our clearances this year.
Unfortunately we have too many players down on form, then add injuries and this year is slowly going down the toilet.
I know its early but I'd be amazed if we recover from this and compete in the finals this year.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Every single midfielder except Sloane (and Douglas if you consider him a mid) is well down on their form compared to last year. Dangerfield (has knee soreness), Thompson, Wright, Van Berlo (pre-injury), Porplyzia (spent some time in the midfield), Vince, Jacobs....every single one of them. We are also missing Tippett more than people are willing to admit. He provided get out target in the forward line but where we missed him the most is in the ruck backing up Jacobs. As a ruckman, Tippett also was a very good contested ball player as well as in close creating clearences or opportunities for those with his blocking/shepparding.

He might not have been our best player but he was structurally our most important player.

I agree re Tippett .....but from the POV that he straighten us up and he hovered around the top of the square ....Walker and Jenkins like to roam and use their athleticism, so very different to the way Tippett played.

McKernan plays very similar to Tippett ......it's just that McKernan IS UNFIT .....he has no 2nd or 3rd efforts in him
Until he devotes himself to get fitter he will never reach his potential

Playing Dangerfield up forward if he has a worrying knee makes sense .....it also therefore makes sense to get Riley into the midfield ASAP

 

[Bob Neil]

FF: Jaensch - Johnston - McKernan
HF: Vince - Jenkins - Douglas
C: Mackay - Thompson - Henderson
HB: Smith - Talia - Reilly
FB: Otten - Rutten - Laird
1st: Jacobs - Dangerfield - Sloane
Int: Kerridge - Lyons - Lynch
Sub: Wright

In: Lyons - Johnston - McKernan
Out: Walker - Brown - Petrenko

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

How bad in Dangerfield knee?

Should he be rested until he is ready to go or should he pay as a full time forward and taken out of the midfield?

 

[Elite Crow]

Every single midfielder except Sloane (and Douglas if you consider him a mid) is well down on their form compared to last year. Dangerfield (has knee soreness), Thompson, Wright, Van Berlo (pre-injury), Porplyzia (spent some time in the midfield), Vince, Jacobs....every single one of them. We are also missing Tippett more than people are willing to admit. He provided get out target in the forward line but where we missed him the most is in the ruck backing up Jacobs. As a ruckman, Tippett also was a very good contested ball player as well as in close creating clearences or opportunities for those with his blocking/shepparding.

He might not have been our best player but he was structurally our most important player.

Tippett missed a fair bit of footy last year and we weren't this shit. Yes we miss him but when he wasn't rucking he had very little to do with getting the ball out of the middle which we can't do at the moment.