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[moogerfooger]

Its not the goals and assists as such for Pets. He is supposed to be the lock down forward on the defender that gives the most drive from defence. He has let his direct opponent get too much of the ball simple as that.

In a nutshell. Football isn't just about what you do with the ball - what you do when your opponent has the ball and what you do when nobody has the ball are equally important. Unfortunately most supporters never notice because their eyes follow the ball.

 

[AFC979810]

The issue is not how often they've been dropped - it's how quickly they've been brought back into the side after being dropped. The fact that half of that list has been dropped and then recalled in the first five games is pretty telling.

I disagree here.

All were best 22 last year and therefore need to be given appropriate chances.

Johncock played round 1 and had a shocker. He went back to the 2nd's and kicked 7 goals and earnt a recall. He then had another shocker in rd 3 and has not been sighted since.

Callinan was brought in. Played a half did not get near it and was dropped for round 3. Has not done enough at SANFL level and has not been seen since.

Porps was down terrible in round 1. Brought in as the sub in round 2 and played well enough to earn a recall for round 3 where he was terrible. He was then relegated to sub due to his bad performance and stunk it up as the sub and was dropped for round 5. He now has a chance to play well vs the Hawks or else he will have an extended period in the magoos (like Johncock).

Vince - had poor form in the first 2 rounds and was rewarded by being sub against Port. Came in and actually played well but was extremely undisciplined causing him to get dropped against the bulldogs. Dominated at SANFL and came back and played well at AFL level against Carlton and rightly retained his spot in the side against Hawthorn.

Petrenko - has been dropped. If Sando's management is anything to go by - he will have a week at the Eagles and if he performs will come back into the side against GWS.

I love the way our out of form players have been managed.

 

[ManInTheArena]

Can we do it? Am i crazy?

IMO, no and yes, we're going to get a spanking.

 

[relapse]

Don't try & re-write history .......At no stage did Craig ever say or insinuate that Walker was a dud

In fact every media article & word from the club was saying the opposite

I think you missed the obvious sarcasm in my post

I was just joining in on making baseless claims on a player just because he wasn't/isn't selected.

 

[relapse]

Oh dear.

As I said above my comment was purely sarcastic, my comment was hyperbole based around the ridiculous bseless assumption that apparently the club thinks Johnston is a dud which is why he wasn't selected.

 

[Vader]

Smack is very good in ruck, jenkins not so much and jacobs not in form.
I would have picked mckern over johnstone just bec jacobs needs help.

Smack is also better in afl than sanfl bec the speed of the game suits him

"very good" is a bit generous. How about "adequate"? No problem with your assessments of Jenkins & Jacobs though.

Where I disagree seriously though is the statement that Jacobs needs "help". Jacobs problem is not that he's been falling away as games progress, due to fatigue. He's been poor right from the very first bounce of every game. This tells me that there's something fundamentally wrong - whether it's injury, fitness or what, I don't know - but playing a backup to give him a "rest" isn't going to help. He needs to be replaced, not just "helped". If he's injured, then he needs to be rested completely. If it's something that can be fixed with a few games at SANFL level, then replace him with Graham for that time. In either case, if McKernan is the answer then the club is clearly asking the wrong question.

 

[Vader]

The selection committee see the lads everyday. I'd say they have a pretty good handle on where people are at. Of all the people calling for LJ to play, how many have bothered to see him play and give sn actual match report of his game here. ......

I freely admit that I regard LJ as an unknown element. McKernan on the other hand has well known shortcomings.. I'd just rather experiment with the unknown than go down the well trodden path of repeated failure.

 

[Vader]

Smack and Jaensch are going to tear up the forward 50 I can't wait!

I expect at least 8 between them its going to be exciting stuff. A good chance to catch the hawks napping and get our season on track.

8 disposals between them? Surely that's a little pessimistic - even by my standards.

 

[Vader]

Porps was down terrible in round 1. Brought in as the sub in round 2 and played well enough to earn a recall for round 3 where he was terrible. He was then relegated to sub due to his bad performance and stunk it up as the sub and was dropped for round 5. He now has a chance to play well vs the Hawks or else he will have an extended period in the magoos (like Johncock).

I love the way our out of form players have been managed.

The pattern you established with the other players is fairly obvious. Those who were dropped and redeemed themselves at SANFL level were given a second chance. Those who still failed haven't been seen since. Fair enough.

What has Porps done to earn his recall this week? As you state (and I agree), he was poor in R3 and no better when playing as sub in R4. He was subsequently dropped for R5 - but due to the quirk of ANZAC Day scheduling he didn't go back to the SANFL. He hasn't done anything to redeem himself - so why has he been rushed back into the team this week?

 

[Wood_Duck]

They have to be held accountable

Are you going to write a letter?

 

[Elite Crow]

I like the ins and outs this week.

In Porps - Out Petrenko:
I have been one of the few Petrenko supporters on this board, but really like this decision. To be honest I don't think his form has been that bad this year and don't think its the reason he is being dropped. For me it all comes down to our forward structure. When we had Tippo/Walker/Callinan all playing we had plenty of avenues to goal and we needed a lock down forward. Now without those guys 3 guys we need a mix that can actually kick goals.

Wow, you know how you said in the other thread you will call bullshit when you see it, what about when it's your own bullshit?

As late as this week you've been defending Petrenkos place in the team.

The main gripe with Petrenko is he doesn't do enough defensively or offensively. He doesn't kick enough goals and for a defensive forward he doesn't stop the oppositions running defender. You don't think his dropping had nothing to do with letting Walker run amok?

As for structure, a few of us have been saying all year that we can't afford to carry a defensive forward when we haven't been kicking enough goals with or without Tex.

Your post reeks of I'm still right even when the posters I was arguing with are proven right.

 

[Paladin]

8 disposals between them? Surely that's a little pessimistic - even by my standards.

Going to be a little bitter-sweet for you when Smack kicks 5 to get us over the Hawks this weekend.

Is Smith kicking Jaensch out of the team this week like you promised?

 

[Paladin]

I think Tambling will come in for Brown. If he does hope he isn't the sub. Lets give Tambo a shot.

 

[ftmch]

As I said above my comment was purely sarcastic, my comment was hyperbole based around the ridiculous bseless assumption that apparently the club thinks Johnston is a dud which is why he wasn't selected.

My bad. Play on.

 

[ftmch]

I think Tambling will come in for Brown. If he does hope he isn't the sub. Lets give Tambo a shot.

Totally agree - let's see what he can do.

 

[skoobydoo]

"very good" is a bit generous. How about "adequate"? No problem with your assessments of Jenkins & Jacobs though.

Where I disagree seriously though is the statement that Jacobs needs "help". Jacobs problem is not that he's been falling away as games progress, due to fatigue. He's been poor right from the very first bounce of every game. This tells me that there's something fundamentally wrong - whether it's injury, fitness or what, I don't know - but playing a backup to give him a "rest" isn't going to help. He needs to be replaced, not just "helped". If he's injured, then he needs to be rested completely. If it's something that can be fixed with a few games at SANFL level, then replace him with Graham for that time. In either case, if McKernan is the answer then the club is clearly asking the wrong question.

Agree with your assessment of Jacobs. What he is showing (not showing) this year was evident in the latter part of last season. With good reason most thought it was from work load fatigue, but as you suggest there appears to be something fundamentally wrong. I am truly hoping it is an injury that can be rectified. His lack of energy at the ruck launch is a real concern, particularly when I compare it to the effort of Freo's Griffin last weekend. Lack of form doesn't stop you from busting a gut through trying.

 

[Wood_Duck]

So is it gone for good?

 

[AFC979810]

The pattern you established with the other players is fairly obvious. Those who were dropped and redeemed themselves at SANFL level were given a second chance. Those who still failed haven't been seen since. Fair enough.

What has Porps done to earn his recall this week? As you state (and I agree), he was poor in R3 and no better when playing as sub in R4. He was subsequently dropped for R5 - but due to the quirk of ANZAC Day scheduling he didn't go back to the SANFL. He hasn't done anything to redeem himself - so why has he been rushed back into the team this week?

I think he has been rushed in because we don't have any forwards. If you look at our forwards from the prelim final last year we had:

FFetrenko Walker Callinan
HF: Sloane (resting fwd) Tippet Porplyzia.

Apart from the resting midfielder if we didn't recall Porps we would have had 0 of our specialist forwards from last year.

We need someone who can kick goals. Callinan/Johncock/Porps are woefully out of form and Jenkins/Smack cannot hold a candle to Walker / Tippett. Sando thought Porps was the best option as he is a smart lead up forward.

 

[FR0GGY]

Surely its time to put away the term 'gold pass' on this forum.

There is still two players in possession of theirs in McKay and Reilly

 

[AFC979810]

Wow, you know how you said in the other thread you will call bullshit when you see it, what about when it's your own bullshit?

As late as this week you've been defending Petrenkos place in the team.

The main gripe with Petrenko is he doesn't do enough defensively or offensively. He doesn't kick enough goals and for a defensive forward he doesn't stop the oppositions running defender. You don't think his dropping had nothing to do with letting Walker run amok?

As for structure, a few of us have been saying all year that we can't afford to carry a defensive forward when we haven't been kicking enough goals with or without Tex.

Your post reeks of I'm still right even when the posters I was arguing with are proven right.

He didn't play that well against Carlton. Happy to admit that.

We all know his limitations. He is not a lead up forward. I honestly believe that we are worried about how we are going to kick a winning score, therefore dropping Pets for Porps makes sense since Porplyzia has the ability to play as a leading forward.

I also think you misunderstand the purpose of a 'defensive' forward and what Pets' role was. His job wasn't to 'tag' Walker and if you rewatch the game you will see Walker manning up on Otten for a lot of the game. Petrenko's job as a defensive forward was to sit at Tippo's / Walkers feet and apply defensive pressure. His job was to block for them when they were making leads, lock it in if it goes to ground and be a pest. If he can kick a goal a game and get a goal assist a game and apply pressure inside 50 (like he was doing last year) he keeps his spot.

 

[AFC979810]

There is still two players in possession of theirs in McKay and Reilly

Can I ask what you think of Dangerfields form this year?

 

[FR0GGY]

Can I ask what you think of Dangerfields form this year?

A hell of a lot better than half the teams.
Better than wright, pets, Jacobs, hendo, Vince, porpylzia, johncock, callinan, Reilly, McKay, Jenkins, Jaensch, Laird, Kerridge, Brown and VB.

Apparently he's playing injured which Sando likes to do, maybe he is in need of a week off. But due to injury not form.

 

[Vader]

Going to be a little bitter-sweet for you when Smack kicks 5 to get us over the Hawks this weekend.

Is Smith kicking Jaensch out of the team this week like you promised?

Is Jaensch playing in defence this week?

 

[Vader]

Can I ask what you think of Dangerfields form this year?

Two words: "Injury Affected".

 

[Glenno23]

Can I ask what you think of Dangerfields form this year?

But we've seen what Danger is capable of at full flight. We have also seen Mackay and and Reilly's peak

Danger's form is down, but at any moment he could win us a game. I don't think the other 2 are capable of that

it applies for Sauce too. If he was a lesser player, he'd have been banished to the magoos already. But we know how good he can be at his best