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[pokerspiv]

RTB did say just last week that that careers are lost and made on opportunity.

This could be Neale's shot!

Neale already proved himself and got dropped anyway. After being one of our best players in the latter half of 2013 he was named sub in the GF, sub in Rd 1 this year and then dropped after only playing a quarter.

Even if he plays well he'll be dropped again since Lyon has pigeon-holed him into a role now, and he will now only play him if someone else in the same role (currently Fyfe, Barlow, Mundy and De Boer) is unavailable.

 

[ROYISHUNGRY]

Neale already proved himself and got dropped anyway. After being one of our best players in the latter half of 2013 he was named sub in the GF, sub in Rd 1 this year and then dropped after only playing a quarter.

Even if he plays well he'll be dropped again since Lyon has pigeon-holed him into a role now, and he will now only play him if someone else in the same role (currently Fyfe, Barlow, Mundy and De Boer) is unavailable.

Who did he replace in the latter half of 2013?

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[willoblue]

as Homer would say "Crisitunity"

 

[pokerspiv]

Who did he replace in the latter half of 2013?

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Different people each week. And when they were all available he was relegated to sub.

 

[DMan 11]

I think neale as 'one of our best players' is a slight overstatement. Was playing mid and yes he snapped a few goals but his possession count wasn't always significant nor highly influential.
He's got great hands and vision which will go someway to reducing fyfe s absence in contested ball. Unfortunately just doesn't have as much 'grab it and move it forward' ability by foot in the clinches that fyfe does. Let's hope all his and barlows handballs hit mundy, hill and pearce in space - sorted then !!

 

[pokerspiv]

I think neale as 'one of our best players' is a slight overstatement. Was playing mid and yes he snapped a few goals but his possession count wasn't always significant nor highly influential.

Neale was #6 in possessions per game for Fremantle last year, behind Barlow, Mundy, Fyfe, Ibbotson and Pearce. And that includes the games where he was the sub.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tr-fremantle-dockers?year=2013&rt=TA&st=DI

Statistically his biggest failing was his tackling, where he rated about #25 in tackles per game (Sutcliffe and Sheridan were #23 and #24 though, so he wasn't an orphan).

 

[PurpleGreenRed]

It's not a windup effort mate. The role is primarily to play as a forward and chop out in the ruck. Hannath is about 6th on our list for that and his efforts in the first 2 games have been poor. The only reason he is playing right now is that 4 of our 6 ruckmen were injured. Zac Clarke is now fit. While he isn't much of a forward either, it would be difficult for him to do any worse than Hannath has done.

Key Forwards/Ruckmen take a long time to develop and the only reason that Hannath has played a single game for Fremantle to date is that our ruck stocks have been decimated through injury. Nobody expected him to play until at least 2015.

Bradley's been injured for about a year and we don't know how he'll go in the future unfortunately. He was a pinch hitting ruckman at best.

Gumbleton- Gawd knows what he can do either as a forward or a ruckman. I pray we get to see him at his best.

Clarke - I have feeling he still has a lot to prove RTB. Yes I think he's good but I think his head drops. I remember last season (I think) when Sandi went down and Clarke wasn't playing Ross went up to him and told him "You need to stand up!" and again this week there was a not so subtle dig at him during Ross' presser where he basically said he feels Clarke not only needs another game at Peel but has to force his way in.

Hannath - Ross quite clearly rated his performance as a foil to Sandi. He said so. In fact the adjective was "brilliant" I believe. How you can say he's performed poorly, particularly in the last game, when 1) It was peeing it doon and no big players were really taking marks and 2) He rucked by himself for at least 7 minutes in the final quarter is beyond me. I don't know what ruckman would have been superlative in those conditions. Except 211

I understand ruckmen take a while to develop but I think you're being harsh on Hannath. He'll play this weekend.

 

[pokerspiv]

Bradley's been injured for about a year and we don't know how he'll go in the future unfortunately. He was a pinch hitting ruckman at best.

A pinch-hitting ruckman is all we need at the moment. Kepler was pretty effective as both a forward and a pinch-hitting ruckman, much more so than anyone else we have tried in that position.

Hannath - Ross quite clearly rated his performance as a foil to Sandi. He said so.

There's an issue with morale and motivation here. Obviously even if Hannath had an absolute shocker Ross wouldn't get up there and say his only available backup ruckman was a hack. Where would be the benefit there? I think people in general take way too much of what coaches say to the media at face value. Coaches never criticise players in press conferences, ever. They also don't tend to reveal the ins and outs for next week right after a game, even if they already know what they will be.

How you can say he's performed poorly, particularly in the last game, when 1) It was peeing it doon and no big players were really taking marks and 2) He rucked by himself for at least 7 minutes in the final quarter is beyond me. I don't know what ruckman would have been superlative in those conditions. Except 211

I am not talking about his performance as a ruckman so much as his performance up forward. There's no doubt at all that Clarke has it over Hannath in the rucking department. The only serious question is who Lyon prefers as a forward. At the start of the season I thought there was a possibility that Hannath could be preferred in that area because Zac hasn't done much up forward. But Hannath hasn't done anything either in the 2 opportunities he's been given.

So basically I rate them as a tie in their forward work, but Zac Clarke as a clear winner as an around-the-ground ruckman.

I understand ruckmen take a while to develop but I think you're being harsh on Hannath. He'll play this weekend.

I find it pretty hard to believe that Hannath has leapfrogged Zac Clarke in the space of 2 games. Zac Clarke was brilliant in many of our games last year. Hannath might turn out to be brilliant one day too, but that's a couple of years off at best. If Lyon doesn't think Clarke is fit yet than I can accept that but I simply don't believe that he "prefers" Hannath to Clarke. Hannath is playing because nobody else is available.

 

[UFO Tatsu]

Coaches never criticise players in press conferences, ever.

are you sure about that? i can think of a very recent example

I find it pretty hard to believe that Hannath has leapfrogged Zac Clarke in the space of 2 games. Zac Clarke was brilliant in many of our games last year. Hannath might turn out to be brilliant one day too, but that's a couple of years off at best. If Lyon doesn't think Clarke is fit yet than I can accept that but I simply don't believe that he "prefers" Hannath to Clarke. Hannath is playing because nobody else is available.

the proof is in the pudding i guess ... if ross still picks hannath for the next few games even though clarke is available, then he rates him better for the role.

if not, then it is as you say, nobody else was available.

 

[Quokka]

Morabtio and Ibbotson huh? I was just watching a bit of the replay I noticed Griffin being interviewed and now he seemed to be standing unaided well enough. So you know, if Sandi needs a rest.......

 

[pokerspiv]

the proof is in the pudding i guess ... if ross still picks hannath for the next few games even though clarke is available, then he rates him better for the role.

if not, then it is as you say, nobody else was available.

Yeah agreed. If Hannath is still playing in round 4 or 5 I will accept Ross prefers him. But at this stage I think it's mostly that Ross doesn't consider Clarke has had enough game time into him yet.

 

[slicedndiced]

Anyone remember Gunnar Longshanks of Eagles fame here? Keyser Soze

He used to lecture and patronise his fellow supporters at every opportunity too.

It gets really painful after a while.

 

[Jimbos1]

It would be nice to be able to bring in one of our spare big bodied mids, ie Mora or Sylvia, for Fyfe. I suppose it would have to be Sylvia at this stage. Is he fit?

Itd be nice to see mora but I think we will get in Neale. Sylvia is not fit enough nor is he accustomed to our gameplan. Then there is Ibbotosn, Clarke and Silvani. But I think dawson got a reprimand.

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[Jimbos1]

You know what. I just have this weird feeling that the unthinkable may happen. We need a mid that breaks tackles, we need a mid that can float forward, we need someone who has played more than 25mins of WAFL.

In :




Moooooorrrrraaaaabbbbiiittooooo

Think about it. Much better option than Sylvia.

Has morabito played a full game in wafl?

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[Jimbos1]

Hale, Gunston and Roughhead. Johnson, MacPharlin and Silvagni.

Dawson 196, Johnson 195, Mcpharlin 193 makes us the tallest backline in the AFL

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[Jimbos1]

scoring except in the back of the 3rd qrtr and the final hasn't been their problem (fumbles and some poor decisions are though) its more that they don't get enough from the midfield and Cresswell and Schwass tend to tire under the workload. Need to get some more ball getters in the midfield.

I have to disagree, Debeor is critical in limiting that run off back. Suban can play well defensive but not as well as debeor in the forward.

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[scon]

Anyone remember Gunnar Longshanks of Eagles fame here? Keyser Soze

He used to lecture and patronise his fellow supporters at every opportunity too.

It gets really painful after a while.

Ian Dargie's mate;I remember the moron.Yappyappyappyappyappyappyappyappyappyappyappayappayayapayy....

 

[slicedndiced]

Ian Dargie's mate;I remember the moron.Yappyappyappyappyappyappyappyappyappyappyappayappayayapayy....

That's his new persona, but he has mellowed dramatically.

Old mate here is doing a fine impression.

 

[Keys]

Anyone remember Gunnar Longshanks of Eagles fame here? Keyser Soze

He used to lecture and patronise his fellow supporters at every opportunity too.

It gets really painful after a while.

I don't think Ian Dargie would be a very good replacement for fyfe

My preference is to patronize old freo supporters

 

[Simmofreo]

Ok so Fyfe and Dawson confirmed out. Of all teams to lose Dawson for Hawks tall forwards may stretch us. I am more concerned about covering Dawson than Fyfe as I feel we have some depth in the midfield and we still have Mundy, Barlow and Hilly.

Is Silvagni the only real option to cover Dawson ? Everyone else is injured right ?

 

[stormee]

Barlow out 4-6 weeks, lateral strain



http://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2014-04-01/freo-accept-bans

 

[UFO Tatsu]

Ok so Fyfe and Dawson confirmed out. Of all teams to lose Dawson for Hawks tall forwards may stretch us. I am more concerned about covering Dawson than Fyfe as I feel we have some depth in the midfield and we still have Mundy, Barlow and Hilly.

Is Silvagni the only real option to cover Dawson ? Everyone else is injured right ?

without tanner smith, our KPD stock is rather thin unless we want to blood a youngster like we did last year.

my preference is a like-for-like swap for dawson but the expected wet weather might lower the effectiveness of their tall forward. maybe ibbo in for dawson.

 

[UFO Tatsu]

Barlow out 4-6 weeks, sprained medial

f**k me ... how come we always lose important personnel every time we play the hawks?
hope it is aprils fool

 

[freo_baby]

Barlow out 4-6 weeks, sprained medial

4-6 weeks?! I read it was just this week?

Edit: Just saw it. Yep 4-6 weeks. Crap

 

[riffraff]

f**k me ... how come we always lose important personnel every time we play the hawks?
hope it is aprils fool

Tomato sauce?