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sumavich said:
Giro is ok, but he doesn’t have an opposite side. He always tries to get on his left. He’s limited
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Giros building quite nicely & improved each game he’s played. I’m not sure what more he can do & considering he hasn’t played since 2018, he is going pretty well. I don’t think a decision either way can be made yet until he’s played the full year.
 
Scham said:
Who were the experienced mids we deliberately left out?

And we played our only available rucks. ??? What were we to do?
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The club has players like Banfield and Blakely on the list, and is actively turning Fyfe into a forward. Conca is available as a big body in the midfield. Apart from that they have shown an ongoing fascination with half back flankers, snagging a record three with our first three picks of the last draft.

Yes, the club needs more available rucks on the list, especially as all three of ours have shown themselves to be injury prone. Is anyone surprised Lobb and Darcy are injured? Most of Meeks career has been on the injury list.
 
Purple Madness said:
What's with the hate for Giro? Many here want him dropped this week?? He got more disposals than 2 of our full-time mids and kicked a goal.
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I didn't watch the game, so I won't comment on Giro specifically. But I have an issue in general with the amount of short players we have on the list and how many get games. Has been a major issue for me for a long time. Giro, Colyer, Walters, Schultz, Switkowski, Henry, Western, Crowden, Serong. People look at having too many defenders and not enough forwards, but this midget brigade (none of whom are defenders) is a major imbalance with the list.

It's one thing if they are genuinely good players with skill/speed/smarts. But when they are mostly just depth players or still developing, it becomes a liability. We end up with too many small bodies running around who can't offset their physical limitations with other qualities. The side should have Serong, Walters, plus one more small forward.

Richmond is the exception and play 6-7 under 180cm, but they have their own style of play. Brisbane play 3, but Neale and Zorko are mids that are built like tanks and that is a different kettle of fish. The other good teams play with 1-2. We are playing 6-7, most of whom are average players. It is madness, but that's the situation we are in with the state of our list/injuries.
 

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Alfonz said:
I didn't watch the game, so I won't comment on Giro specifically. But I have an issue in general with the amount of short players we have on the list and how many get games. Has been a major issue for me for a long time. Giro, Colyer, Walters, Schultz, Switkowski, Henry, Western, Crowden, Serong. People look at having too many defenders and not enough forwards, but this midget brigade (none of whom are defenders) is a major imbalance with the list.

It's one thing if they are genuinely good players with skill/speed/smarts. But when they are mostly just depth players or still developing, it becomes a liability. We end up with too many small bodies running around who can't offset their physical limitations with other qualities. The side should have Serong, Walters, plus one more small forward.

Richmond is the exception and play 6-7 under 180cm, but they have their own style of play. Brisbane play 3, but Neale and Zorko are mids that are built like tanks and that is a different kettle of fish. The other good teams play with 1-2. We are playing 6-7, most of whom are average players. It is madness, but that's the situation we are in with the state of our list/injuries.
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Agree 100%.

The club has an inherent desire to draft short people for some reason. When we play against big bodied clubs we get monstered and look like boys playing men. I particularly remember this watching a game at Subi vs the cats back in the Chapman and scarlet days and thinking **** we are tiny!!
 
Alfonz said:
I didn't watch the game, so I won't comment on Giro specifically. But I have an issue in general with the amount of short players we have on the list and how many get games. Has been a major issue for me for a long time. Giro, Colyer, Walters, Schultz, Switkowski, Henry, Western, Crowden, Serong. People look at having too many defenders and not enough forwards, but this midget brigade (none of whom are defenders) is a major imbalance with the list.

It's one thing if they are genuinely good players with skill/speed/smarts. But when they are mostly just depth players or still developing, it becomes a liability. We end up with too many small bodies running around who can't offset their physical limitations with other qualities. The side should have Serong, Walters, plus one more small forward.

Richmond is the exception and play 6-7 under 180cm, but they have their own style of play. Brisbane play 3, but Neale and Zorko are mids that are built like tanks and that is a different kettle of fish. The other good teams play with 1-2. We are playing 6-7, most of whom are average players. It is madness, but that's the situation we are in with the state of our list/injuries.
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Not sure it is because of the state of our injuries. It seems like a clear drafting preference. I had always assumed there would be a filtering process, but it seems not.
 
The problem with always having a completely ****ed injury list is that it means there’s virtually no pressure on blokes to perform because who will replace them?

Ins: Fyfe Treacy Sturt Logue
Out: Acres Meek/Darcy Schultz (inj) Young (inj)

Blakely as sub, Henry to the wafl

Put Fyfe back in the middle. Surely a forward line of Treacy, Sturt, Frederick, Walters, Switta and Tabs can get the job done.

I am not prepared to write off JL just yet. He’s a senior coach in his second season. That said, our performance in round 1 and round 3 has me questioning his ability to get the boys up for away games. Time will tell.

Still a long season ahead of us fam, strap yourselves in.
 
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There is, but it’s very noticeable with giro. But I like him, he has a crack and is a good runner. Stays in for sure
 
Dockeroo said:
I will eat my hat if Valente makes his debut in round 5. There is literally no suggestion he’s remotely close to a debut - not even at Peel.
As an aside, given you are a SA local, how do you rate Jason Horne? Good as everyone is saying?
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Well He is a south Adelaide Boy. I saw him play on the weekend too. Got 19 disposals and kicked 1 goal. Bryce Gibbs got Like 36 disposals on the weekend too.





looks solid on the youtube clip. wearig number 33 on there.

Saying that.... Again I saw him play. He looks good. Some say he is a chance to go at Pick 1. I dont recall any South Adelaide Players going a pick 1, let alone at a top 5 pick or top 10 pick.

Solid inside mid.




wearing number 9 on there. Look at him frm the 25 second mark..... dodges 3 west adelaide players then kicks a goal.

Saying that.... if freos 1st rounder is pick 6-10 ish and he is available. I would take him.
 
Dockeroo said:
I will eat my hat if Valente makes his debut in round 5. There is literally no suggestion he’s remotely close to a debut - not even at Peel.
As an aside, given you are a SA local, how do you rate Jason Horne? Good as everyone is saying?
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If Luke Valente isnt ready to get an AFL debut in round 5 vs the crows, then let him play WAFL for a few more weeks and let him debut vs Port in round 11 at Adelaide oval.
jmadrox said:
I agree on the rucks somewhat. The game has changed since then, and a big lumbering ruck is a liability. Need tall mobile like Lobb. Meek is pretty mobile, but not as skillful.

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It depends on the situation.... Both Blokes are 110 kg each. Sean Darcy is like the Shane Mumford type ruck that bashes and crashes the contest and is the stronger of the 2.

Meek is mobile/agile but doesnt have the skills. Reminds me of a Young Zac Clarke before the injuries.

If freo were full strength with Lobb as the FF and 2nd ruck, you can rotate Meek and Darcy depend on the opposition team we face on the day.

If Freos backline was fully fit and Available. that means Logue, Hamling and Alex Pearce are the talls and Lobb is injured.

You can choose one of Meek or Darcy. that means Tabs plays FF and Cox plays CHF and pinch hit in the ruck.
sumavich said:
Giro is ok, but he doesn’t have an opposite side. He always tries to get on his left. He’s limited
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Giro wasnt a 1st round pick, Plus he didnt play one dockers game in 2019 or 2020. So I will give him some slack.

Dead certain he would of played some games in the 2nd half of 2019 if he didnt do his knee. It sucked as when he did his knee in mid 2019, that was a 1 year injury. to top it off, he could not play games in the WAFL in mid 2020 due to the corona virus.
 
Dockeroo said:
Yep there’s no way he’s lasting to pick 6!
Love to see players so comfortable doing the running bounce in traffic. Sign of real classy skills
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I think we aint going to get him anyway.....

Even if freo finish 14th again with 8 wins....

Crows will somehow tank their way to 7 wins and finish with 15th or 16th with pick 3-5.
 

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Dockeroo said:
It would be nice to see some improvement in our tackling technique this weekend. Nothing more frustrating to see around the waist tackles allowing the blues get the handball away repeatedly at the weekend. Wrap the arms please!
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Completely infuriating. Like we were pesky mosquitoes.
 
I'm posting this here because it's a popular thread but we have most of the pieces to push for finals. What we need to do is add a few more key players like Carlton have done with Saad and Wiliams and we will be well on our way. To do that though we need picks.
 
wakojako said:
I'm posting this here because it's a popular thread but we have most of the pieces to push for finals. What we need to do is add a few more key players like Carlton have done with Saad and Wiliams and we will be well on our way. To do that though we need picks.
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The marketplace to trade in players is a lot different for us than for Carlton. We can trade 2 types (a) good players originally from WA who want to return here or (b) fringe players from that are pushed out elsewhere (Aish or Conca a good example).
We cannot trade with West Coast. The 10 vic teams have a major trading advantage over us. We need to recognise that and keep hitting the draft. Trading has destroyed this club in its existence to date.
 
wakojako said:
I'm posting this here because it's a popular thread but we have most of the pieces to push for finals. What we need to do is add a few more key players like Carlton have done with Saad and Wiliams and we will be well on our way. To do that though we need picks.
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The absolute last thing we need is to give up a top 10 pick for a back flanker or 800k+ a year for a "midfielder" who has spent about 5% of their career to date in the midfield.
 
theGav56 said:
The club has players like Banfield and Blakely on the list, and is actively turning Fyfe into a forward. Conca is available as a big body in the midfield. Apart from that they have shown an ongoing fascination with half back flankers, snagging a record three with our first three picks of the last draft.

Yes, the club needs more available rucks on the list, especially as all three of ours have shown themselves to be injury prone. Is anyone surprised Lobb and Darcy are injured? Most of Meeks career has been on the injury list.
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Every club has that uncompromising under the radar bull. Curnow for Carlton always troubles us. He’s just get ball and clearance. A huge reason why Walsh has got off to a flyer and Cripps does what he does.

Banfield was one of those. His best football was/is inside the midfield. Not the half forward that he struggles at. Need experience/hard body. Cerra, Brayshaw and Serong are not. Conca/Banfield/Blakely have to play in the midfield, even if don’t have good skills but just the way they use their body, go in contested ball is invaluable for the team. Every top team has one.
Not playing hurt us more then Treacy not debuting.
 

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FreoRicci said:
Every club has that uncompromising under the radar bull. Curnow for Carlton always troubles us. He’s just get ball and clearance. A huge reason why Walsh has got off to a flyer and Cripps does what he does.

Banfield was one of those. His best football was/is inside the midfield. Not the half forward that he struggles at. Need experience/hard body. Cerra, Brayshaw and Serong are not. Conca/Banfield/Blakely have to play in the midfield, even if don’t have good skills but just the way they use their body, go in contested ball is invaluable for the team. Every top team has one.
Not playing hurt us more then Treacy not debuting.
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Curnow has apparently been playing less midfield this year. Teague brought him in having identified that they could physically dominate us. We dropped Blakely (not my favorite player) even with Fyfe missing to accommodate this concept.
 
It's difficult to see Giro and Acres missing whilst we are so depleted on the wings.

In: Fyfe, Treacy, Sturt
Out: Meek, Schulz, Young

Would love to see Logue come in but feel like they will probably want to give him a week in the 2s before rushing him in, which to me is just a waste. I don't think Chapman is ready, he got found out by a pretty average opponent on the weekend so a month in the WAFL for him would be handy.
 
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Isn't Schultz a definite out with the mandatory concussion rule?
Logue must come in, to make room I would prefer to lose Hughes but suspect it will be Chapman.
It's going to be a big ask for Treacy on debut if he is part time back up ruck, but Tabs back is cooked and Cox would be the only other option.

Out Schultz, Young, and regrettably for structure, cause I think both have exceeded expectations and done well, Chapman and Meek.
In Fyfe, Sturt, Treacy, Logue

The fixture fairies have been kind to us this week - Hawks on a six day break and traveling. We must win.
 
Scham said:
It’s a big risk going in with only 1 ruck and expecting a 194cm 19yo debutant to back him up.
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I agree, but none of the alternatives are attractive either - Tabs back is stuffed, Cox needed 100% back line, keep Meek as ruck and persist with Darcy forward? Yuk
 

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