Opinion Changes v Melbourne

[Forzaport]

Can Ken give Boak one of those Polec style rockets. Maybe that will help?

Boak gives himself so many Polec style rockets I'm not sure he'll notice anything coming from Ken.

 

[scotty13]

To all those saying Boak should not be dropped... forget about him being captain for a second and look at the stats.
Rnd 13 v Bulldogs - 19disposals at 47.4% efficiency. 6 clangers, 1 tackle, 0 1%ers, 25% accuracy at goal.
Rnd 12 v Richmond - 18disposals at 44.4% efficiency. 5 clangers, 6 tackles, 3 1%ers, 0 goal assists
Rnd 11 v Hawks - 16 disposals at 62.5% efficiency. 4 clangers, 4 tackles, 0 1%ers, 0 goal assists
Rnd 9 v Suns - 29 disposals at 58.6% efficiency. 5 clangers, 6 tackes, 0 1%ers, 33.3% accuracy at goal, 0 goal assists (from 6 i50's!)

Nothing about these stats says wonderful, amazing, keeps his spot in the side. Against the suns he had his most disposals @29, but poor delivery with 6 i50s resulting in no goals. He is a clanger machine (13th in the league for clangers) has terrible accuracy at goal, has poor form in setting up goals, tackles ok, but shows a lack of second effort.

If he wasn't captain, everyone would be calling for his head.

I say give him a rest (up to the club if they play him in the SANFL or just give him a week or two to work out what ever is effecting his output), give Ollie the job for a week or two so we can see how he leads the team, then bring a hopefully fired up Boaky back into the side so coming into finals we have the best Boak, the one we all love, back playing his best footy.

I want Boak to play, and I want him to be the player we know he is, but at the moment he is a shadow of his former self, and if being dropped (and call it hamstring awareness or some crap if the club doesn't want to omitt him) might get that fire burning.

 

[Macca19]

To all those saying Boak should not be dropped... forget about him being captain for a second and look at the stats.
Rnd 13 v Bulldogs - 19disposals at 47.4% efficiency. 6 clangers, 1 tackle, 0 1%ers, 25% accuracy at goal.
Rnd 12 v Richmond - 18disposals at 44.4% efficiency. 5 clangers, 6 tackles, 3 1%ers, 0 goal assists
Rnd 11 v Hawks - 16 disposals at 62.5% efficiency. 4 clangers, 4 tackles, 0 1%ers, 0 goal assists
Rnd 9 v Suns - 29 disposals at 58.6% efficiency. 5 clangers, 6 tackes, 0 1%ers, 33.3% accuracy at goal, 0 goal assists (from 6 i50's!)

Nothing about these stats says wonderful, amazing, keeps his spot in the side. Against the suns he had his most disposals @29, but poor delivery with 6 i50s resulting in no goals. He is a clanger machine (13th in the league for clangers) has terrible accuracy at goal, has poor form in setting up goals, tackles ok, but shows a lack of second effort.

If he wasn't captain, everyone would be calling for his head.

I say give him a rest (up to the club if they play him in the SANFL or just give him a week or two to work out what ever is effecting his output), give Ollie the job for a week or two so we can see how he leads the team, then bring a hopefully fired up Boaky back into the side so coming into finals we have the best Boak, the one we all love, back playing his best footy.

I want Boak to play, and I want him to be the player we know he is, but at the moment he is a shadow of his former self, and if being dropped (and call it hamstring awareness or some crap if the club doesn't want to omitt him) might get that fire burning.

3rd in Disposals
4th in Score Involvements
5th in Goal Assists
2nd in Contested Possessions
4th in Tackles
2nd in Tackles inside50
2nd in Inside 50s

His lack of form is so horribly overrated its ridiculous. People are intently looking over every single time he goes near it almost hoping he stuffs up. SPP, Wingard and Ebert are just as bad in terms of turning it over, poor disposals etc but dont get near the level of vitriol that Boak does. Hes nowhere near droppable level.

Last night, despite having a shocker he still had 7 score involvements and kicked a goal himself.

He’ll be in our top 2-3 next week.

 

[Canoogs]

I agree with Macca, some turd-coloured glasses being donned in regards to Boak. He's not at his best right now, but has a huge ceiling if he finds form.

I want to see Jonas in, because I am worried about the Dees fast forward movement. Hogan plays quick for 195cm.

 

[bomberclifford]

I didn't think he was that bad in terms of getting to the ball but yea he had a mare with ball in hand, you have blind love for him no matter what though where if it was anyone else you'd rip in.

It just felt like he couldn't take a trick last night. Everything he tried went to shit.
We've all had days like that.

 

[chiwigi]

Can Ken give Boak one of those Polec style rockets. Maybe that will help?

Boak's issue is not and never will be his lack of effort.

He's just a bit off, that won't change if he doesn't play.

 

[bomberclifford]

Jonas won't be coming back in.
Boak won't be going out.
Neade can stay where he is.

If Watts shows his mettle in the SNAFL, then he'd be the only consideration for inclusion.
Thomas will only lose his spot if Jack shows what's, Watt.

 

[chiwigi]

To all those saying Boak should not be dropped... forget about him being captain for a second and look at the stats.
Rnd 13 v Bulldogs - 19disposals at 47.4% efficiency. 6 clangers, 1 tackle, 0 1%ers, 25% accuracy at goal.
Rnd 12 v Richmond - 18disposals at 44.4% efficiency. 5 clangers, 6 tackles, 3 1%ers, 0 goal assists
Rnd 11 v Hawks - 16 disposals at 62.5% efficiency. 4 clangers, 4 tackles, 0 1%ers, 0 goal assists
Rnd 9 v Suns - 29 disposals at 58.6% efficiency. 5 clangers, 6 tackes, 0 1%ers, 33.3% accuracy at goal, 0 goal assists (from 6 i50's!)

Nothing about these stats says wonderful, amazing, keeps his spot in the side. Against the suns he had his most disposals @29, but poor delivery with 6 i50s resulting in no goals. He is a clanger machine (13th in the league for clangers) has terrible accuracy at goal, has poor form in setting up goals, tackles ok, but shows a lack of second effort.

If he wasn't captain, everyone would be calling for his head.

I say give him a rest (up to the club if they play him in the SANFL or just give him a week or two to work out what ever is effecting his output), give Ollie the job for a week or two so we can see how he leads the team, then bring a hopefully fired up Boaky back into the side so coming into finals we have the best Boak, the one we all love, back playing his best footy.

I want Boak to play, and I want him to be the player we know he is, but at the moment he is a shadow of his former self, and if being dropped (and call it hamstring awareness or some crap if the club doesn't want to omitt him) might get that fire burning.

But he IS captain and he is currently a WINNING captain.

You can't take the leadership side out of his contribution in any comparison.

 

[scottjr]

When did Jasper come back into the side?

 

[El_Scorcho]

The other consideration re potentially dropping Boak is that we have nobody in the SANFL capable of playing that role.

Sam Gray effectively plays the same role as Boak, that high intensity high forward role where their job is to provide pressure in the forward lines and then win contests while outnumbered when we break forward. They'd be two of the hardest running players in our side and it's an incredibly difficult role to have an impact like they do.

Everyone would agree Gray is having a great season, and yet Boak bests him in every statistical category bar marks and goals for the year.

Still top 5 in average score involvements for the club. Still doing amazing contested possession work. People have this idea in their head of what Boak should look like but they're thinking of the Boak that played in the centre square. The high forward role he plays is totally different.

 

[Tredz]

IN Neade

You're doing it wrong;

Out: Neade
In: Anyone

 

[wayb2912]

Boak being dropped is ******* ludicrous. Even when he has a mare like last night, he still opens up so much space for others to be effective.

The Boak hate on this board is insulting and simply pathetic

I agree, i was just as frustrated as anyone last night with his game but i think he's been solid enough this year to hold his spot

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[Forzaport]

To all those saying Boak should not be dropped... forget about him being captain for a second and look at the stats.
Rnd 13 v Bulldogs - 19disposals at 47.4% efficiency. 6 clangers, 1 tackle, 0 1%ers, 25% accuracy at goal.
Rnd 12 v Richmond - 18disposals at 44.4% efficiency. 5 clangers, 6 tackles, 3 1%ers, 0 goal assists
Rnd 11 v Hawks - 16 disposals at 62.5% efficiency. 4 clangers, 4 tackles, 0 1%ers, 0 goal assists
Rnd 9 v Suns - 29 disposals at 58.6% efficiency. 5 clangers, 6 tackes, 0 1%ers, 33.3% accuracy at goal, 0 goal assists (from 6 i50's!)

Nothing about these stats says wonderful, amazing, keeps his spot in the side. Against the suns he had his most disposals @29, but poor delivery with 6 i50s resulting in no goals. He is a clanger machine (13th in the league for clangers) has terrible accuracy at goal, has poor form in setting up goals, tackles ok, but shows a lack of second effort.

If he wasn't captain, everyone would be calling for his head.

I say give him a rest (up to the club if they play him in the SANFL or just give him a week or two to work out what ever is effecting his output), give Ollie the job for a week or two so we can see how he leads the team, then bring a hopefully fired up Boaky back into the side so coming into finals we have the best Boak, the one we all love, back playing his best footy.

I want Boak to play, and I want him to be the player we know he is, but at the moment he is a shadow of his former self, and if being dropped (and call it hamstring awareness or some crap if the club doesn't want to omitt him) might get that fire burning.

Those stats look woefully selective.

It's pointless using the "forget he was captain" line. He IS captain, that wont change this year, he DOES provide leadership which isn't measured in the statistics.

Also, Macca posted a more rounded list of stats that should leave no one in any doubt why Boak should continue to play at AFL level.

This board really has a lynch mob mentality that needs to stop.

 

[Dalfino]

Even if he could be dropped, who would you bring in for Boak that would offer more? Watts could play that high-forward position but is completely different player and doesn't match Boak in contested possessions and tackles. Then who - Neade? Amon? Barry? Johnson? Lol. Boak hasn't been at his best but he's bloody miles ahead of anyone else in his role.

 

[VineValerian]

People are entitled to an opinion without being trashed about it.
Boak's poor form is no fallacy, but he IS captain and will not be dropped, so we need to adjust the side around him to suit our style.

Pittard provides very little, but probably stays as who do you replace him with?
Thomas was average, but better than Neade has provided, so he stays.
Clurey struggled against two opponents (admittedly one was Bont for a time), but until Jonas returns there is no obvious chang.

On the positive, Huston played his best game for a while, Chad and Rocky continued their form uplift, and Marshall was tense but will be better for the run.

 

[Papa G]

If Watts comes in it will be at the expense of Marshall.

 

[WHOME]

Wasn't long ago that Boak would proudly declare his main responsibility as captain was to deliver on game day. Well sorry Boak fans, he's been failing as a player and captain for a long time. Not AFL standard and needs to be dropped, captain or not.

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[Macca19]

The other thing to consider with Boak which i've mentioned is his hard running. Noone in our team runs as hard as what he does. So many times he'll start a play in the defensive 50, 2 or 3 disposals later he's attacking a contest in the forward 50 and you think 'how the **** did he get there?'.

As I said, it opens up space. Very few defenders can run with him the whole game with that level of repeat sprinting. He's averaging over 23 touches a game playing almost solely as a forward flank which would be close, if not the most disposals a forward flanker is getting this year. It forces a 2nd player to go to him which frees up someone else moving forward. It allows guys like Wingard and the Grays to free up some more space.

Noone else on our list can run like that in that role. That's why he remains important, even whilst having a shocker.

 

[scotty13]

People are entitled to an opinion without being trashed about it.
Boak's poor form is no fallacy, but he IS captain and will not be dropped, so we need to adjust the side around him to suit our style.
.

Are you saying that because a player is out of form, that we adjust other aspects of the side to try and hide his poor form, rather than drop said player? Thats the most ludicrous thing I have heard.

 

[raman]

If Watts comes in it will be at the expense of Marshall.

Nah.

(Well yeah, probably, but I will melt a little)

 

[ploppy]

We need watts back in the side to prove a point against his old side..players love lifting for these games. It would provide many laughs it could kick a bag against the demons

 

[FishingRick04]

I don’t like the “8 point game” idiom, but with the ladder and the early bye... this is as close as you’ll get to an 8 point game.

Really it’s a 4 point game. The loser doesn’t get negative points so the winner only goes 4 points ahead!

 

[raman]

Really it’s a 4 point game. The loser doesn’t get negative points so the winner only goes 4 points ahead!

How silly of me.

 

[PowerBaz]

Boak needs a rest. Give him the week off to recover.

Out: Boak
In: Watts

And if Jonas is fit then in for Clurey.

Ha ha Boak aint being dropped...

 

[Noobz0r]

The other thing to consider with Boak which i've mentioned is his hard running. Noone in our team runs as hard as what he does. So many times he'll start a play in the defensive 50, 2 or 3 disposals later he's attacking a contest in the forward 50 and you think 'how the **** did he get there?'.

As I said, it opens up space. Very few defenders can run with him the whole game with that level of repeat sprinting. He's averaging over 23 touches a game playing almost solely as a forward flank which would be close, if not the most disposals a forward flanker is getting this year. It forces a 2nd player to go to him which frees up someone else moving forward. It allows guys like Wingard and the Grays to free up some more space.

Noone else on our list can run like that in that role. That's why he remains important, even whilst having a shocker.

The fact that he gasses himself has a lot to do with his sometimes poor disposal. I don't know how many of his naysayers have actually played the game, but it is ****ing incredibly hard to hit kicks when you have lead legs. Especially at the game pace of AFL.

He plays a high half forward role that not many players on our list (and none currently in the magoos) can play as effectively as he does.

Pretty interesting reading today.

Wasn't long ago that Boak would proudly declare his main responsibility as captain was to deliver on game day. Well sorry Boak fans, he's been failing as a player and captain for a long time. Not AFL standard and needs to be dropped, captain or not.

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Have you seen how hard he runs? Imagine if the rest of the 22 worked that hard for 4 quarters.