Changes V Pies

[Chris25]

So, in essence, McPharlin, Campbell and Mundy who were the worst we had, get a free pass?

It's called being realistic. Neither Mundy or McPharlin will be dropped, they are still best 22 players. Like it or not, past performances do count when it comes to selections. But if they don't step it up, they could find themselves on the outer in a couple of weeks.

Meanwhile I want Campbell to be given a run in the team. So far he has had one and a quarter games. I'd be giving him another one or two games to show what he can do, otherwise he will be delisted at the end of the year. It's getting to the point of the season where we need to be thinking about list management, and Campbell's selection is one of those.

 

[Undertaker]

In: Headland & Ballantyne
Out: Walters & Pearce

 

[Lach72]

In: Headland & Ballantyne
Out: Walters & Pearce

McPharlin instead of Walters.

 

[E Shed]

Jonno for Keps if he's fit.
Headland & Ballantyne for Campbell & Pearce.
I don't think Campbell is going to make it at this level. Tries had but just not smart enough. I'd rather give Drum a few games in the forward line.
Foster did enough to keep his spot. Give Walters one more shot in the bigtime.
Kind of leaves us one defender short but Mundy or Dodd can play back. Might be time to give Mundy a job to do.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

Out: McPharlin, Campbell, Pearce (inj?)
In: Headland, Ballantyne, Pratt

That's what I'd like to see. The only problem being that it would leave one of Dodd or Grover (if he's not suspended) having to line up on Anthony or Cloke. Des and Balla (if fit) would be far more effective up forward than Kiwi and Elvis were today.

Edit - Forgot about Johnno. Kepler to make way for him if he's fit.

I tell you what, if Kepler's skills matched his heart and enthusiasm he'd be a hell of a player.

 

[ImperialPurple]

I don't think Campbell is going to make it at this level. Tries had but just not smart enough. I'd rather give Drum a few games in the forward line.
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Yes. I was about to post this, but you beat me to it. Campbell is a crab. Sad but true. Drum may well be one too - but give him a couple of games up forward and I reckon we might find out that he's not.

 

[longsuffreosupp]

Campbell was always going to be up against it, against the Geelong backline. He did a couple of good things though and created a contest more often than not, just gotta hold onto those marks.

Foster was good, but not damaging, and his man smashed him. Think his future will be as depth with Hinkley.

Walters got a goal, but didn't do much else.

 

[Lach72]

Campbell was always going to be up against it, against the Geelong backline. He did a couple of good things though and created a contest more often than not, just gotta hold onto those marks.

Foster was good, but not damaging, and his man smashed him. Think his future will be as depth with Hinkley.

Walters got a goal, but didn't do much else.

Now, when you're a small fella playing on a larger opponent it's going to be difficult if the numpty midfielders do loopy high kicks on top of your head...
We were too tall for a lot of the game in the forward line, so I'd keep him, bring in Ballantyne and drop McPaprlin who needs a damn good rocket up the arse

 

[Chris25]

Foster was good, but not damaging, and his man smashed him. Think his future will be as depth with Hinkley.

Hinkley isn't going to be depth. It's not depth when you are in the best 22. And Hinkley will be that in the coming years.

Foster, he wont be depth either. If he doesn't step up, he will be delisted. So I'd give him as long as possible to show what he has to offer.

 

[DockerNJL]

hmm not happy with a lot of people thoughts here,

Campbell: as mentioned has played only 1 game really and atleast makes a contest
played back alot today for some reason, give 2 more games to see what comes off it.
Walters: WTF played as a small forward and showed a bit desorves another game to me.
Foster: no comment here cant beleive hes been talked as one to go.
Bradley: Fair enough with the comments should make way for johnson only or we really have no back up unless clarke is ready.
Mundy: had one of those games didnt quite go his way but should play this week with the quality he brings.
would like to see him down back a bit more like we did in the second half, definately looks more comfortabe down there with maybe 25-30% midfield sounds good to me.
Mcpharlin: well i never thought i would see the day where he wouldnt look like been an afl player, but i did.
Should keep him in the side but only if harvey gets stuck right into him through the week which im sure he will.

Awsome games by alot of young fellas today and was so chuffed to see pav fly the flag.
grover should be right i imagine.

so my changes would be.

Out:
Bradley (if jono fit), Pearce(inj)

In:
Jono + Balla.

Maybe headland if fit but would like to see him get a bit of fittness in the wafl.
would like to see minimal changes to reward what was really a great effort today.

 

[E Shed]

Hinkley isn't going to be depth. It's not depth when you are in the best 22. And Hinkley will be that in the coming years.

Foster, he wont be depth either. If he doesn't step up, he will be delisted. So I'd give him as long as possible to show what he has to offer.

What is it you think Hinkley has shown that Foster hasn't? Apart from one good game last year from Hinkley Foster has shown a lot more in the few games he's played. I admire your loyalty to Hinkley I just don't understand what you've seen from him that inspires it.
I've liked a bit of what I've seen but not enough to make me think he's going to be a gun.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Pearce and Walters had stinkers. They've had a taste of AFL and they look like promising lads, but if you've got players that can come in and offer your team more than do it. You shouldn't play kids just for the sake of playing them (plus you got enough with Hill, DeBoer (really impressed with him today) and Suban).

Johnson, Headland and Ballantyne definitely offer more than Kepler (please delist), Foster and Walters.

Not sure what Ruffles does and how well he does it, that decision is for you WAFL followers out there.

Grover should be right IMO.

Thanks for your opinion colliwobbles. You sound like a real expert in all things Freo. Pearce won't play, but that's 'cause he's done a hammy, not 'cause he's been dropped. And Walters will play unless both Ruffles and Balla come in.

As to our list, and whether Kep stays on it - that's our business, not your. Run along now to have your milk and cookies before you go to bed...

People don't seem to be aware that Pearce strained a hamstring, so he might miss because of that. Not sure of the severity.

Dropping McPharlin and having Grover suspended won't hurt so much, because the Pies only really have Cloke, who Tarrant can take care of. There is Anthony as well, but he might be injured. I don't like Dodd, but he might be an option there if Anthony plays. It is the midget brigade like Didak, Davis, Dick, Medhurst (maybe), etc that we have to worry about.

I'd bring in Headland, Ballantyne and Ruffles.

Pearce will miss you'd think due to injury - and I suspect Grover's gone for a week too. Mundy must be dropped, truly awful game for the fifth week in a row. I'd bring Balla in, but not sure if Des will be fit - if he is then play him, if not then Ruffles. Johnson would be the third in - if Groves isn't suspended you'd think MJ would take Kep's spot. Peake misses out again, and Elvis is within four bad quarters of getting dropped too IMHO...

In: Ballantyne, Ruffles, Pratt
Out: Walters, Suban, Pearce (inj)

Just a simple swap of some rookies for me. Walters will be a very good player, and it's good that he has had some exposure. But now that Ballantyne is fit, they can swap over. Pearce is only out because of his hamstring, I'd have kept him otherwise.

I would drop Suban for a couple of reasons. In my opinion he often goes missing, and has yet to have a really big match for Fremantle. I think he might benefit from going back to the WAFL, and hopefully having a couple of big games running through the midfield. Also, I wanted to give Ruffles a chance. And if the reports are anything to go by, Ruffles is one player who will just keep running and wont go missing.

Against Collingwood, with their small forward line, Grover getting suspended might work in our favour. I doubt he would get dropped, and him missing would mean that McPharlin would have to stay back. I hate switching players between attack and defence, it never works and I think McPharlin has shown that this year.

And I would prefer Headland to play a week in the WAFL first, but if he does come in, it would be in place of Thornton. Despite Thornton playing reasonably well up forward, him and Headland would play a similar role.

Chris, have you ever, ever posted anything positive about Suban??

He played far better than Mundy, Elvis, Bradley, Pearce, Walters, Grover and Campbell, and yet you have to insist on Suban being dropped???

Oh, and Suban is a defender, not a mid, and Ruffles is a forward, not a mid. So they can hardly swap like for like.

So, in essence, McPharlin, Campbell and Mundy who were the worst we had, get a free pass?

It's called being realistic. Neither Mundy or McPharlin will be dropped, they are still best 22 players. Like it or not, past performances do count when it comes to selections. But if they don't step it up, they could find themselves on the outer in a couple of weeks.

Meanwhile I want Campbell to be given a run in the team. So far he has had one and a quarter games. I'd be giving him another one or two games to show what he can do, otherwise he will be delisted at the end of the year. It's getting to the point of the season where we need to be thinking about list management, and Campbell's selection is one of those.

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Best 22 for the Narrogin girls under 14 side??? Nowhere hear best 22 on form, either of them. Mundy's had enough chances, and Elvis only gets a reprieve because Groves is likely to be out.

Be nice if you could show Suban and Broughton a tenth of the love you lavish on Mundy and hack Kiwi.

 

[Ogrebait]

I don't think there'll be many changes this week.

I doubt Johnson will be fit so Bradley keeps a spot as the back up ruck.

It's a shame Pratt missed the SD game with injury as he'd be a good inclusion for Pearce against Collingwood's small forwards. No Head please.

If Grover is suspended we can probably manage without him this week, especially if McPharlin goes back to doing what he does best. Campbell should stay - he deserves an extended run in the side to see if he can show something before his contract runs out at the end of the year.

Headland and Ballantyne would not have match conditioning, so I'd expect them to come back through the WAFL.

The only ones pushing for a spot would be Ruffles, Peake and possibly (gulp) Gilmore.

Mundy may get a wake up call though.

 

[MadMac]

I would drop Suban for a couple of reasons. In my opinion he often goes missing, and has yet to have a really big match for Fremantle. I think he might benefit from going back to the WAFL, and hopefully having a couple of big games running through the midfield. Also, I wanted to give Ruffles a chance. And if the reports are anything to go by, Ruffles is one player who will just keep running and wont go missing.

You do realize that he was instrumental in our comeback in the 3rd quarter, as well as in the game against Richmond [also in the 3rd q, his goal pretty much sparked a come back when we looked dead and buried].
You also do realise that he's one of the first players to stand up to opposition thugs punching our blokes. That is priceless and we should have more of Nick Subans around, not less.

 

[DCFCFAN84]

Out:
Walters
Bradley
Pearce

In:
Ballantyne (Crosses fingers)
Johnson
Headland

 

[Moo]

hmm not happy with a lot of people thoughts here,

Campbell: as mentioned has played only 1 game really and atleast makes a contest
played back alot today for some reason, give 2 more games to see what comes off it.
Walters: WTF played as a small forward and showed a bit desorves another game to me.
Foster: no comment here cant beleive hes been talked as one to go.
Bradley: Fair enough with the comments should make way for johnson only or we really have no back up unless clarke is ready.
Mundy: had one of those games didnt quite go his way but should play this week with the quality he brings.
would like to see him down back a bit more like we did in the second half, definately looks more comfortabe down there with maybe 25-30% midfield sounds good to me.
Mcpharlin: well i never thought i would see the day where he wouldnt look like been an afl player, but i did.
Should keep him in the side but only if harvey gets stuck right into him through the week which im sure he will.

Awsome games by alot of young fellas today and was so chuffed to see pav fly the flag.
grover should be right i imagine.

so my changes would be.

Out:
Bradley (if jono fit), Pearce(inj)

In:
Jono + Balla.

Maybe headland if fit but would like to see him get a bit of fittness in the wafl.
would like to see minimal changes to reward what was really a great effort today.

Pretty much agree with the ins and outs.

Walters did enough to go around again, Suban sets up play quite well. I love the spirit - Hills goal he was mobbed by De Boer and Walters ...bodes well for the future.

I'd not be dropping Foster either, nor Campbell ...these guys need to get an extended run to see what there future is. Campbell will find life easier next week - no forward has a good time against the cats. bang and crash with Ballantyne, Walters up front might be an interesting combo.

McPharlin had a shocker but lets not kid ourselves - you back class in a little longer than this ...he was working hard got a bit of the ball ...just some shocking skill errors.

If Johnson is fit in he comes for kep, if not we keep that structure.

Walters would be the only one perhaps under pressure if Ballantyne is to debut, but gees it would be good to see them both in that forward line.

Pratt for Pearce if the injury bites would be logical.

 

[DockerLand1]

Yes. I was about to post this, but you beat me to it. Campbell is a crab. Sad but true. Drum may well be one too - but give him a couple of games up forward and I reckon we might find out that he's not.

IP that is very harsh, Campbell did not play that well today although he was against the best backline in 10 years! Lets give him the 5-6 games that Murphy got to see if we have a forward of the future.

God knows that Drum is not interested in playing, let alone for us!

 

[Undertaker]

IP that is very harsh, Campbell did not play that well today although he was against the best backline in 10 years! Lets give him the 5-6 games that Murphy got to see if we have a forward of the future.

God knows that Drum is not interested in playing, let alone for us!

I tend to agree, give Campbell another 2-3 games, Drum needs to do something in the WAFL before he's even considered, he used to be my Buddy but after watching him play this year I have all but given up on him

 

[Chris25]

Just to let everyone know, I have nothing against Suban. He will be a great player for Fremantle. For a first year player he has been excellent. All I'm saying is that he tends to go missing a bit, and that he could benefit from having a rest in the WAFL and by also 'dominating' a game at that level.

And really the only reason I would drop him is to give some other rookies like Ruffles and Pratt a chance. It's not like I'm calling for Gilmore to replace him.

 

[Alfonz]

It seems a lot of people still don't realise that MJ will almost certainly not play.

I was thinking that for this game we should play the young guys such as Foster, Ruffles and Walters that some aren't putting in their squads. It would be a valuable experience to play on the MCG in front of a big crowd (big for Freo away), we don't exactly get to do that very often.

 

[Chris25]

Chris, have you ever, ever posted anything positive about Suban??

He played far better than Mundy, Elvis, Bradley, Pearce, Walters, Grover and Campbell, and yet you have to insist on Suban being dropped???

Oh, and Suban is a defender, not a mid, and Ruffles is a forward, not a mid. So they can hardly swap like for like.

Be nice if you could show Suban and Broughton a tenth of the love you lavish on Mundy and hack Kiwi.

I have posted many positives on Suban, it's just that I'm also the only poster who points out his flaws. He's a first year player, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have things to work on.

I had both Pearce and Walters missing out against Collingwood anyway, although I liked Pearce's game more than Suban's. While we don't exactly have a whole lot of depth to replace guys like Mundy, McPharlin, Bradley, Grover and Campbell. I'm not sure what you want done to them, unless you would like us to bring in Drum, Murphy, Head and Gilmore.

Suban and Ruffles aren't exactly like for like, but Suban didn't play a defensive role on the weekend anyway. He sort of just roamed around. With Dodd going back into defence next week and Pratt coming in, I don't think it would be a problem.

Oh, and when have I lavished praise on Mundy and Campbell? All I said was that Mundy shouldn't be dropped, and Campbell needs more than one game to show what he can do. I'm pretty sure I showed Broughton plenty of love in his thread.

What is it you think Hinkley has shown that Foster hasn't? Apart from one good game last year from Hinkley Foster has shown a lot more in the few games he's played. I admire your loyalty to Hinkley I just don't understand what you've seen from him that inspires it.
I've liked a bit of what I've seen but not enough to make me think he's going to be a gun.

I don't think I can really single out anything that inspires my loyalty to Hinkley, I just have faith that he will come good. He is very much a developing player, and will take longer than some other guys. I just think he has shown enough to suggest that by the end of next year, he would have cemented a spot in the team.

As for Foster, I like him. But he is 23 and hasn't really shown that he can hold down a spot in the team. I don't know if he has the attributes to become anything more than a solid player, and he could unfortunately be on the chopping block at the end of the year.

 

[silverscope]

Just to let everyone know, I have nothing against Suban. He will be a great player for Fremantle. For a first year player he has been excellent. All I'm saying is that he tends to go missing a bit, and that he could benefit from having a rest in the WAFL and by also 'dominating' a game at that level.

Don't know if you notice but all our First year players go missing and some parts in the game and by go missing i mean don't get the ball. That doesn't mean they do nothing off it. I.e. DeBoer and his awesome tagging job on Selwood.

I think because of Palmer last year most people have their expectations to high when it comes to our Draft Picks. With injuries and the like we are playing more kids (walters for example) when maybe they aren't totally up to it yet but you've got to give it a go.


If you were to drop Suban (defender) who would you bring in? Head? or another first year Pratt?

There isn't alot of other options to go to if you want to drop players remember and Suban is filling a role we need so he should stay IMO.

 

[bigpav]

in: headland, clarke, ballantyne
out: grover(susp), bradley, pearce(inj)

why persist with bradley - he won't be at our club in 1 to 2 years and he is not an efficient player - he will end up being a great wafl player but thats all. we should bring in clarke regardless of his wafl form you never know how he could play at the higher level, might be effective down forward as well.

yesterdays game showed me two obvious points - we are in need of a key forward and a key back at the next draft. grover will be past it next year in my opinion and we were one key forward short of pulling off a massive upset yesterday.

clarke and headland added to the forward line creating less pressure for campbell might work well at the MCG this weekend, campbell needs another go - we gave murphy heaps of chances. the only thing with these in's is we will be a bit short down back. what do you guys think?

 

[Chris25]

Don't know if you notice but all our First year players go missing and some parts in the game and by go missing i mean don't get the ball. That doesn't mean they do nothing off it. I.e. DeBoer and his awesome tagging job on Selwood.

I think because of Palmer last year most people have their expectations to high when it comes to our Draft Picks. With injuries and the like we are playing more kids (walters for example) when maybe they aren't totally up to it yet but you've got to give it a go.


If you were to drop Suban (defender) who would you bring in? Head? or another first year Pratt?

There isn't alot of other options to go to if you want to drop players remember and Suban is filling a role we need so he should stay IMO.

I don't think a lot of other young players do go missing all that much. Hill is always around the mark, whether he is getting the ball or tackling. DeBoer never goes missing, when there is a pack you can almost guarantee that he is at the bottom of it. Walters didn't get a lot of the ball, but he was getting into good positions.

Like I said before, I didn't think Suban really played a defensive role yesterday. He more just roamed around. Dodd will return to defence next week, while I would bring in Pratt for Pearce. And I wouldn't be surprised to see DeBoer get the job on one of the small forwards like Didak or Davis. So I'd bring Ruffles in for Suban. He would give us another option up forward, and if the WAFL reports are anything to go by, I'd imagine he would be running all over the ground anyway.

Again, despite what it may seem I'm not being negative towards Suban. I just think he could benefit from some WAFL time.

 

[Lach72]

I just read a news report that said Tarrant (shoulder) and Pearce (hamstring) should be available for next week