Changes v Richmond

[Wood_Duck]

How does this make it a bigger farce? Players have always been expected to perform well in the SANFL if they want to be selected in the senior team the following week. Davis failed to do so.

The only reason Davis' non-selection against Port was a farce is because his direct replacement (Bock) stank it up so badly. His non-selection against Richmond is a no-brainer, given his failure to go back to North and put in a performance demanding his reinstatement to the Crows team.

With Stevens & Bock both having failed badly against Port, there was a reasonable chance that one of them may have been dropped this week - if there was a suitable replacement waiting in the SANFL. By having had a bad game for North, Davis ruled himself out as that "suitable replacement". End result: Stevens & Bock get a free hit at the selection table this week.

are you Irish???

 

[Vader]

Surely with Stiffy out, Davis is a given?

You'd swap a quick small defender for a slow tall one, noting that we already have 3 tall slow defenders and the opposition has 4 quick smalls in their forward line?

Stiffy's replacement will be shorter than Davis. I'm hoping for Young, because I think he has the flexibility to play on a mid-sized opponent. More likely it will be Schmidt coming into the team.

 

[Vader]

are you Irish???

How so? Do you not understand the logic? Explain your position a little better so I can properly refute your argument.

 

[Dangarman]

Why can't Davis come in for Stiffy. Is it just a 'back six can't be too tall' thing, or are they two different roles?

 

[NTRabbit]

You'd swap a quick small defender for a slow tall one, noting that we already have 3 tall slow defenders and the opposition has 4 quick smalls in their forward line?

Stiffy's replacement will be shorter than Davis. I'm hoping for Young, because I think he has the flexibility to play on a mid-sized opponent. More likely it will be Schmidt coming into the team.

Young only just came back from a 6 (or was it 8?) week layoff for a knee arthroscopy, that's asking a bit much.

On the other hand, Schmidt was an emergency last week, albeit in the second set of emergencies.

 

[Vader]

Why can't Davis come in for Stiffy. Is it just a 'back six can't be too tall' thing, or are they two different roles?

Primarily a "back 6 are too tall" thing. With 3 tall defenders (Bock, Stevens, Rutten) we're already too tall. Bringing in a 4th tall/slow defender would be asking for trouble.

 

[Vader]

Young only just came back from a 6 (or was it 8?) week layoff for a knee arthroscopy, that's asking a bit much.

Drummond can help out here, but I'm fairly sure he's had at least 2 SANFL games since returning. From memory, he was outstanding in his 1st game back and reasonable in his 2nd.

On the other hand, Schmidt was an emergency last week, albeit in the second set of emergencies.

I accept that Schmidt is probably 1st in line. I don't like it... but I accept it as a reality.

 

[jenny61_99]

Primarily a "back 6 are too tall" thing. With 3 tall defenders (Bock, Stevens, Rutten) we're already too tall. Bringing in a 4th tall/slow defender would be asking for trouble.

Yep, point taken.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Unfortunately for Davis it sounds like a wet day in Melbourne too, so no chance we'd go in tall.

Would we back one ruckman against the might of Angus Graham and that Browne guy?

 

[cmndstab]

Why do people continually refer to gunston as the next "robert murphy"? I think Murphy is an average player and I dont get the comparison. In the last 5 years, Murphy has hardly been durable, is about 5 cms shorter, averaged less than a goal a game playing as a forward in the last 2 years in a team that has been reletively high scoring and has recieved 8 brownlow votes total from 2007 - 2009. I hope he turns out nothing like Murphy.

Don't know about that mate, Murphy is a super player, I'd be delighted if Gunston turns out to be as good as Robert Murphy. He's one of those players whose value can't be accurately measured by the possessions and goals.


What's Richmond's forward line like these days, I have to admit I haven't really kept up with their side. What talls do they have besides Reiwoldt? Port had a particularly short forward line which made four talls impossible, but is the same true for Richmond?

The rain won't help, in any case.

 

[NTRabbit]

What's Richmond's forward line like these days, I have to admit I haven't really kept up with their side. What talls do they have besides Reiwoldt? Port had a particularly short forward line which made four talls impossible, but is the same true for Richmond?

Riewoldt is the only good tall.

As I said before, Andrew Collins has been playing as the second marking target, and he's only 184cm, though last week they brought in the largely ineffectual 194cm Jayden Post. Nason is only 179cm and plays as a forward pocket. Polo plays as the main defensive forward. The other spot is usually a resting midfielder, seems to be Cousins more than anyone else, and none of them are tall. Waiting in the wings is the too small to have a real future at AFL level Robin Nahas. There are no spare Key Forwards of any quality they can bring in - there are actually none at all, Astbury is playing CHB, Griffiths is gone for the year and Polak is finished.

 

[thebirdman 24]

You'd swap a quick small defender for a slow tall one, noting that we already have 3 tall slow defenders and the opposition has 4 quick smalls in their forward line?

Stiffy's replacement will be shorter than Davis. I'm hoping for Young, because I think he has the flexibility to play on a mid-sized opponent. More likely it will be Schmidt coming into the team.

Did you see what happened when Young played on a mid sized player in Mcglynn? I wouldn't say Bock is slow, he has decent pace. I would only think it neccessary to play 2 key defenders on opponents, whilst the 3rd loose man mopping up. Stevens seems to have the worst ability at holding an opponent so i would assume he would play this role, just as long as he handballs it and doesn't kick it.

As much as i hate it Stevens will stay for another week until Davis captures some form, and Schmidt will have to come in even though hes a midfielder to play on a small forward.

Stevens, Symes and Schmidt get ready for some nasty turnovers.

 

[NTRabbit]

Did you see what happened when Young played on a mid sized player in Mcglynn?

I wasn't impressed with the way that Young played that day either, but calling 174cm 75kg Ben McGlynn a mid sized player is a bit of an exaggeration - that's 7cm and 5kg shy of our small forward Matthew Jaensch, or 2cm and 4kg shy of Petrenko, and McGlynn is certainly not an example of a small player who plays tall. At 192cm and 88kg as he is currently - 18cm and 13kg larger - Young was never a good matchup for McGlynn.

Potting Young for conceding goals against a player of that size is like potting Rutten for conceding 4 goals in a quarter against LeCras - what you should be doing is asking how such a gross mismatch was allowed to occur, and then perpetuate, in the first place.

 

[Wood_Duck]

My changes:
OUT: Armstrong, Bock, Porplyzia
IN: Goodwin, Davis, Young

You seem somewhat confused on the issue Vader.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Do you not understand the logic?

Logic?

By your own admission Davis didnt deserve to be dropped last week. The two players he is competing with for a spot both stunk. You now dont think he deserves his place back.

I could not give a tinkers cuss how he played in the SANFL last week. He should never have been there in the first place.

Trust me mate, if your aguement had any logic to it whatsoever I would more than understand it.

 

[overtheline]

Riewoldt is the only good tall.

As I said before, Andrew Collins has been playing as the second marking target, and he's only 184cm, though last week they brought in the largely ineffectual 194cm Jayden Post. Nason is only 179cm and plays as a forward pocket. Polo plays as the main defensive forward. The other spot is usually a resting midfielder, seems to be Cousins more than anyone else, and none of them are tall. Waiting in the wings is the too small to have a real future at AFL level Robin Nahas. There are no spare Key Forwards of any quality they can bring in - there are actually none at all, Astbury is playing CHB, Griffiths is gone for the year and Polak is finished.

Polo played his first game for 10 weeks last game , so I can't see where he could be seen as "their main defensive forward".

relax guys, we will smash them.

 

[sbenno]

You seem somewhat confused on the issue Vader.

I think that is what Vader would do if he had to pick the side, as opposed to what he expects to happen.

 

[Allefgib]

I wasn't impressed with the way that Young played that day either, but calling 174cm 75kg Ben McGlynn a mid sized player is a bit of an exaggeration - that's 7cm and 5kg shy of our small forward Matthew Jaensch, or 2cm and 4kg shy of Petrenko, and McGlynn is certainly not an example of a small player who plays tall. At 192cm and 88kg as he is currently - 18cm and 13kg larger - Young was never a good matchup for McGlynn.

Potting Young for conceding goals against a player of that size is like potting Rutten for conceding 4 goals in a quarter against LeCras - what you should be doing is asking how such a gross mismatch was allowed to occur, and then perpetuate, in the first place.

Not to mention th zone was decimated that day and Young was still trying to get into his 'proper' position about 20 to 30m ahead of Mcglynn even after getting burned a few times.

 

[Wood_Duck]

His non-selection against Richmond is a no-brainer, given his failure to go back to North and put in a performance demanding his reinstatement to the Crows team.

I think that is what Vader would do if he had to pick the side, as opposed to what he expects to happen.

Ya think so?

 

[Vader]

Did you see what happened when Young played on a mid sized player in Mcglynn? I wouldn't say Bock is slow, he has decent pace. I would only think it neccessary to play 2 key defenders on opponents, whilst the 3rd loose man mopping up. Stevens seems to have the worst ability at holding an opponent so i would assume he would play this role, just as long as he handballs it and doesn't kick it.

As previously noted, McGlynn is NOT a mid-sized forward, he's a genuine midfielder.

More to the point though, Young got exposed due to the structure we played (zone up the field with nobody behind it) and some truly shocking turnovers in the midfield. I don't think he was anywhere near as bad in that game as what he has been made out to be.

You seem somewhat confused on the issue Vader.

Obviously written before I knew that Goodwin was going to miss another week & Johncock was suspended.

Don't get me wrong, I'd have Bock out and Davis in in a flash. If I'd known just how unfit Bock was I wouldn't have selected him last week in the first place. Actually, I'd be marking his file "see you in 2011".

However, the logic the selectors are going to apply is what I stated before.. All 3 of our KPP defenders had bad games, Davis had his bad game in the SANFL, while the others had their bad games in the AFL. Playing badly in the SANFL is hardly a strong argument for replacing one of the incumbents.

 

[Mismatched]

oic wot u did thar.

no seriously, I was about to shoot you down for dropping walker, then I read the rest of the side

Haha, I nearly lost my shit when I saw you quote that post, before realising the true intentions upon taking a quick squiz of the rest of the team, and I'd read the post previously

I wasn't impressed with the way that Young played that day either, but calling 174cm 75kg Ben McGlynn a mid sized player is a bit of an exaggeration - that's 7cm and 5kg shy of our small forward Matthew Jaensch, or 2cm and 4kg shy of Petrenko, and McGlynn is certainly not an example of a small player who plays tall. At 192cm and 88kg as he is currently - 18cm and 13kg larger - Young was never a good matchup for McGlynn.

Potting Young for conceding goals against a player of that size is like potting Rutten for conceding 4 goals in a quarter against LeCras - what you should be doing is asking how such a gross mismatch was allowed to occur, and then perpetuate, in the first place.

Our zone was leaking like the friggin Titanic that day and it just happened to be Youngs opponent McGlynn who was sweating off in the Swans forward line without another player within 50m of him. Had our zone been doing its job, McGlynn would have been largely ineffectual.

With the club ruling out both McLeod and Goodwin, I'd be tempted to go with the following:

Out: Johncock(Susp), Stevens(Omit), Armstrong(Omit) Maric(needs a rest, well down on his early season output)
In: Schmidt, Davis, Wright, Sellar

I'm still a bit 50:50 on the Sellar for Maric part. I think its time to move on from Stevens and Armstrong just isn't quite ready. Davis is at the stage where he just needs as much AFL experience as possible, he's our future, Stevens isn't and I think Wright has earnt a shot(the rookie upgrade deadline hasn't passed has it?).

 

[King Elvis]

Porps for Schmidt.

Gunston for Goodwin.

 

[Schulzycrow]

The real forward line, Tex, Tipp, Hendo with their radars recalibrated and their kicking boots on.

Armstrong, Stevo, Stiffy. Out
Knights, Davis, Schmidt Ins

Porps isn't a backman...yet

 

[cmndstab]

Logic?

By your own admission Davis didnt deserve to be dropped last week. The two players he is competing with for a spot both stunk. You now dont think he deserves his place back.

I could not give a tinkers cuss how he played in the SANFL last week. He should never have been there in the first place.

Trust me mate, if your aguement had any logic to it whatsoever I would more than understand it.

If a man gets put in jail for a crime he didn't commit, and then kills a guard, should he be let out when he is proven innocent of his original crime?


Since Bock was adjudicated (however accurately...) to be fully fit and is nowadays viewed as an automatic start when fit, he was always going to come in. Meanwhile, Davis was second place behind Stevens in a race with only one podium position, and as such was relegated to the SANFL. The process is, and has always been, that you do your time there until A) a position opens up through form lapse/injury/suspension/positional needs, and B) you have proven that you deserve to be the next cab off the rank. Davis' form on the weekend was not great (mind you, I didn't see the match, but that's what Bickley seems to have implied), which gives him a cross on point B.

If the club decides that one of Stevens or Bock performed sufficiently poorly to place them behind Davis despite his less than stellar showing on the weekend, he'll come in. He could have forced the issue with a ripper game, but he hasn't done so, and it will hurt his chances.

 

[dplggr47]

Porps for Schmidt.
Gunston for Goodwin.

you'd drop Porpz for Schmidt!!! and neither Gunston or Goodwin were in the team last week.