Prediction Changes v West Coast @ Marvel

[lachy]

Harmes missed the VFL game due to illness. No way we'd rush him back in even if he was ok.

I'm guessing Davidson for VDM, only change. Dolan and Hynes knocking the door down though.

Jaques has played some good football including on the weekend against the top of the ladder Box Hill Hawks and has some versatility

 

[Dogs Rule]

I think we are just small enough a club we can offer it to all members

Tell you what, if somebody who has forked out $5 for a two game membership gets a better seat at a Prelim than a 30 year member like myself who has forked out plenty including this year, I'll be annoyed, very annoyed.

 

[Morris Major]

Tell you what, if somebody who has forked out $5 for a two game membership gets a better seat at a Prelim than a 30 year member like myself who has forked out plenty including this year, I'll be annoyed, very annoyed.

Lol unfortunately that's very possible...

 

[Proffessor]

Whilst I think Buss has a bright future, I think our backline needs Liam Jones

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Liam Jones

Age

34

Ht

199cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.4

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

134.5

2star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.1

3star

HB

1.4

1star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

9.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

back and settled to put our best foot forward in the finals.

We currently have too many players who worry too much about not making mistakes when the momentum goes against us and hence won't take the initiative required to help us wrest it back.
Typically leaving too much to too few.

Jones will make his share of mistakes, but he is also capable of taking the initiative and making the big play when necessary. If Lobb needs to play back up ruck, then Jones also strengthens us down back during those periods.

People seem to have quickly forgotten how good he has been for us the last couple of seasons when he has been fit and in form. Play him now.

 

[Freshwater]

Tell you what, if somebody who has forked out $5 for a two game membership gets a better seat at a Prelim than a 30 year member like myself who has forked out plenty including this year, I'll be annoyed, very annoyed.

I think the $5 for two games was only for members that don’t have all home games? I could be wrong but that was what I was thinking.

 

[doggy_dog]

Whilst I think Buss has a bright future, I think our backline needs Liam Jones back and settled to put our best foot forward in the finals.

We currently have too many players who worry too much about not making mistakes when the momentum goes against us and hence won't take the initiative required to help us wrest it back.
Typically leaving too much to too few.

Jones will make his share of mistakes, but he is also capable of taking the initiative and making the big play when necessary. If Lobb needs to play back up ruck, then Jones also strengthens us down back during those periods.

People seem to have quickly forgotten how good he has been for us the last couple of seasons when he has been fit and in form. Play him now.

I haven’t forgotten how good he was, but that man does not exist anymore. 2023 Jones isn’t suddenly walking back through the door. The 2025 version sadly isn’t the answer

 

[Foxman98]

Whilst I think Buss has a bright future, I think our backline needs Liam Jones back and settled to put our best foot forward in the finals.

We currently have too many players who worry too much about not making mistakes when the momentum goes against us and hence won't take the initiative required to help us wrest it back.
Typically leaving too much to too few.

Jones will make his share of mistakes, but he is also capable of taking the initiative and making the big play when necessary. If Lobb needs to play back up ruck, then Jones also strengthens us down back during those periods.

People seem to have quickly forgotten how good he has been for us the last couple of seasons when he has been fit and in form. Play him now.

By this logic we should be bringing back Duryea then too,

Jones of 2025 is not the same as Jones of 2023

 

[Dogs 13]

Taking the p*** with priority access to finals tickets, right?

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It’s a sneaky way to sign people up for next year. If they take this out they go onto the Committed Bulldog auto renew plan for next year.

 

[Pencil case]

Whilst I think Buss has a bright future, I think our backline needs Liam Jones back and settled to put our best foot forward in the finals.

We currently have too many players who worry too much about not making mistakes when the momentum goes against us and hence won't take the initiative required to help us wrest it back.
Typically leaving too much to too few.

Jones will make his share of mistakes, but he is also capable of taking the initiative and making the big play when necessary. If Lobb needs to play back up ruck, then Jones also strengthens us down back during those periods.

People seem to have quickly forgotten how good he has been for us the last couple of seasons when he has been fit and in form. Play him now.

Jones was almost worst on ground in the hawks final last year (although there were a few candidates)

Bringing him in for finals would be a disaster.

 

[Dazb86]

I have a feeling Dolan and Davidson are out because of broken tackles. For that reason a terrier like Garcia just has to stay in.

Wouldn't be against Buku in for Poulter or Davidson for Vandemeer

 

[Libbaaaa]

Jones was okay against Brissy but bringing him in this late doesn't make any sense.

 

[Bald]

I don’t think Davidson played in the 2s as he was held over as an emergency for the 1s.

If you’re going to get him in, I guess West Coast is the game to do it, but it’s hardly ideal prep.

 

[_Cerberus_]

For those from Geelong way, who are planning to come up to the game on the weekend. There are buses instead of trains for the entire weekend. I will probably drive all the way to Werribee* and train it in from there. Since buses take an hour and half to complete all stops if its not a direct route to Geelong.

*FFS: Also works on the Werribee line. So need to get off one train and onto another, with the whole trip seemingly an extra 20 minutes or so.

 

[X_box_X]

We have a history of recruiting experienced KPD who provided a couple of years of good service before Father Time catches up with them.

Trengrove, Keath and now Jones are examples of that.

The one that affected us a bit was losing Hamling at the peak of his powers but I'd argue if we had him on our list in 2020 we never would have recruited Keath. Hamling is now a shadow of his former self.

 

[Proffessor]

I haven’t forgotten how good he was, but that man does not exist anymore. 2023 Jones isn’t suddenly walking back through the door. The 2025 version sadly isn’t the answer

He performances in the games he has played thus far this year still place him ahead of the other contenders in my opinion, and his potential for playing at the higher level we will need in this year's final series (should we make it) is clearly superior to the other contenders.

 

[Pencil case]

He performances in the games he has played thus far this year still place him ahead of the other contenders in my opinion, and his potential for playing at the higher level we will need in this year's final series (should we make it) is clearly superior to the other contenders.

Couldn’t disagree more tbh.

 

[Foxman98]

He performances in the games he has played thus far this year still place him ahead of the other contenders in my opinion, and his potential for playing at the higher level we will need in this year's final series (should we make it) is clearly superior to the other contenders.

What decent game has he played this year?

Was showing massive signs of drop off back end of last year and has continued to regress further this year

 

[Proffessor]

We have a history of recruiting experienced KPD who provided a couple of years of good service before Father Time catches up with them.

Trengrove, Keath and now Jones are examples of that.

The one that affected us a bit was losing Hamling at the peak of his powers but I'd argue if we had him on our list in 2020 we never would have recruited Keath. Hamling is now a shadow of his former self.

The MC destroyed Keath, with a bit of assistance from injuries, through their obsession with the unsuccessful Gardner project.

With a bit more MC support Jones would also likely still be going ok.

 

[Proffessor]

Jones was okay against Brissy but bringing him in this late doesn't make any sense.

Not bringing him in makes far less sense.

We are screaming out for an experienced big bodied marking KPD. We have one we just need to play the bloke.

 

[scooter600x]

He performances in the games he has played thus far this year still place him ahead of the other contenders in my opinion, and his potential for playing at the higher level we will need in this year's final series (should we make it) is clearly superior to the other contenders.

He hasn't played a VFL game this year that was even nearly as good as anything he did in the seniors in 2023. The ability to intercept has gone, even at VFL level.

Unfortunately, the cliff has come fast.

 

[Bald]

Liam Jones

19

Liam Jones

Age

34

Ht

199cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.4

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

134.5

2star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.1

3star

HB

1.4

1star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

9.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

level now, given his age and output is VFL. He is playing well there, but not well enough to kick the door down and command a spot. Father time has caught him and there's nothing wrong with that, but he's not going to come in to the side and be some shining light for a month. It's over.

 

[Foxman98]

He hasn't played a VFL game this year that was even nearly as good as anything he did in the seniors in 2023. The ability to intercept has gone, even at VFL level.

Unfortunately, the cliff has come fast.

Sad but its true only the 4 intercept possesions on the weekend Sellwood/Gards/Coff/Walker all had more Kellett/Duryea also with 4

 

[Foxman98]

The MC destroyed Keath, with a bit of assistance from injuries, through their obsession with the unsuccessful Gardner project.

With a bit more MC support Jones would also likely still be going ok.

Father time "destroyed" both of them not the MC

They lost a yard of pace and can't/couldn't get to the contest to intercept/impact like they could in the past

 

[Proffessor]

What decent game has he played this year?

Was showing massive signs of drop off back end of last year and has continued to regress further this year

What shocker did he play?

People have a massive anti-age bias. If Jones was clean bowled like Buss was on the weekend, people would have his career done and dusted. I'm happy to cut Buss some slack, one bad mistake shouldn't necessarily truncate a career but we need to be more understanding of the old blokes as well.

Jones has had some injuries that have disrupted his season, just because he is a mature player doesn't mean he doesn't need a bit of time to get his touch timing and confidence back.

I think had we managed him a bit better, we would be in a much stronger position, but there is still time.

How critical were guys like Morris and Matthew Boyd in 2016? Jones could be critical for us this season, if we can manage him correctly.

 

[BEaston]

He performances in the games he has played thus far this year still place him ahead of the other contenders in my opinion, and his potential for playing at the higher level we will need in this year's final series (should we make it) is clearly superior to the other contenders.

No way.