Changes v West Coast

[pastmyprimus]

Wouldn't be surprised if O'Shea plays a good game on Saturday. He does that from time to time. But no-one especially the coaches should be fooled by this. He'll quickly revert to the "true" O'Shea. I'd be more forgiving if he was a young player. Some youngsters take time to develop, and begin their careers looking a bit ordinary but improve over time. Jasper is a classic example.

But O'Shea is 24 years old, and is in his sixth season as a Port player. We've seen the true Cam, and I can't see his game improving.

 

[Freak Dodgeball Accident]

Does Ken have any links to the Crows? It's seriously starting to look like he has been sent here to destroy us.

 

[b0ydman]

This is quite possibly the worst post I've read on this board. We're 4 and 4, not 3 and 19.

Honestly, get a grip.

Worst post you've ever read on this board? You must be 7 years old. Are you off the black dot books yet?

Best 4 and 4 team ever 9thmond....St Failda, Essenjection and Briscan't

The penny hasn't dropped for you has it.

 

[Steve Dore]

Does Ken have any links to the Crows? It's seriously starting to look like he has been sent here to destroy us.

I think you may be on to something

 

[b0ydman]

To you we're a franchise, until we start winning again right?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/sy...1/original/LogicalFallaciesInfographic_A3.pdf

[/QUOTE]Then we'll be a real football club again, [/QUOTE]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/sy...1/original/LogicalFallaciesInfographic_A3.pdf

[/QUOTE]oh but one day we might start losing again and we'll revert back to being a franchise. [/QUOTE]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/sy...1/original/LogicalFallaciesInfographic_A3.pdf

[/QUOTE]How about we switch it year to year? [/QUOTE]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/sy...1/original/LogicalFallaciesInfographic_A3.pdf

[/QUOTE]Make your bloody mind up. [/QUOTE]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/sy...1/original/LogicalFallaciesInfographic_A3.pdf


[/QUOTE]It's no wonder Crow supporters mock our club for having identity issue's[/QUOTE]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/sy...1/original/LogicalFallaciesInfographic_A3.pdf

 

[ExpectToWin]

He just played the worst game by a Port Adelaide player in living memory including a baffling indefensible clanger which arguably cost us the game, and he's still in the side?

West Coast have a tall forward line and we have a short defence. We could've replaced him with Carlile, the in-form Howard or the debuting Austin to address that issue. Or we could have kept the current structure and replaced him with Colquhoun who had a huge game in the SANFL. There is zero justification for Cam O'Shea playing this week ahead of any of those guys, other than perceived 'upside' based on a good season he played 3 years ago. And if we're basing our selections on ancient history upside, why is John Butcher who once kicked 6 goals in a game sitting in the SANFL behind Jake Neade who hasn't even kicked 6 goals in 8 games?

O'Shea is taller than Carlile

 

[Peck]

He just played the worst game by a Port Adelaide player in living memory including a baffling indefensible clanger which arguably cost us the game, and he's still in the side?

West Coast have a tall forward line and we have a short defence. We could've replaced him with Carlile, the in-form Howard or the debuting Austin to address that issue. Or we could have kept the current structure and replaced him with Colquhoun who had a huge game in the SANFL. There is zero justification for Cam O'Shea playing this week ahead of any of those guys, other than perceived 'upside' based on a good season he played 3 years ago. And if we're basing our selections on ancient history upside, why is John Butcher who once kicked 6 goals in a game sitting in the SANFL behind Jake Neade who hasn't even kicked 6 goals in 8 games?

Your living memory must be very short if that was the worst you can remember. It would barely be the worst game of a Port Adelaide player in 2016.

His form was great the previous 2 weeks, so it has nothing to do with 3 years ago. He literally wouldn't be in the side if Carlile was considered fit, if you actually want an unfit Carlile in the side over O'Shea then you should go watch Redden's game against Sydney last year to remind you of what it would look like.

Also 50% of Carlile is better than 100% of O'Shea IS a gold pass.

 

[PepeSilvia]

Worst post you've ever read on this board? You must be 7 years old. Are you off the black dot books yet?

Best 4 and 4 team ever 9thmond....St Failda, Essenjection and Briscan't

The penny hasn't dropped for you has it.

It's nice that you went straight to the personal attacks, but I'm not sure it's in your best interests to be questioning the intelligence of others.

 

[JHF1870]

AhChee had to go. Gray had to come in.

Won't make a huge difference to result. West Coast will pump us

We will win or lose by 3 to 4 goals

 

[Peck]

He just played the worst game by a Port Adelaide player in living memory including a baffling indefensible clanger which arguably cost us the game, and he's still in the side?

West Coast have a tall forward line and we have a short defence. We could've replaced him with Carlile, the in-form Howard or the debuting Austin to address that issue. Or we could have kept the current structure and replaced him with Colquhoun who had a huge game in the SANFL. There is zero justification for Cam O'Shea playing this week ahead of any of those guys, other than perceived 'upside' based on a good season he played 3 years ago. And if we're basing our selections on ancient history upside, why is John Butcher who once kicked 6 goals in a game sitting in the SANFL behind Jake Neade who hasn't even kicked 6 goals in 8 games?

I want to add I don't think he deserves his spot in the side this week by any means, and he will likely be out of the team soon enough. I just think decreasing your chances of winning to punish a player is pointless, because that's what taking O'Shea out for an unfit Carlile would Acheive.

 

[b0ydman]

One change lol. I'm still ******* livid about this.

Remember, this is a FORCED change.

Robbie is coming back in, so someone has to go out. Now, its not an impossible leap of logic that because no one else was dropped, and no one else came in, that if Robbie did not come in, that there would be no changes this week, and I think we would have gone in unchanged

Basically, Ken is saying that his game plan works, and his cattle are sufficient. And better than any of the trash running around the SANFL

Which is pretty amazing how quickly he's been able to adapt because not 3 months ago it was built around a forward structure of Dixon, Ryder, Schultz and Lobbe. We've lost of them, and have not brought in Butcher and Howard to maintain shape

At the same time we've lost Carlisle from the back, and Trengove has to take rucking duties some times, as does Westhoof and Dixon

Essentially, Ken must have changed his game plan 180 degrees in the last 3 months...and he lost White through this period too. Hmm, interesting

And this is more interesting because with this change in game strategy he has refused to try SANFL players under this new style. Even worse Toumpas is now out of the team, and really, if he didn't come back in this week then I'd suggest its probably his card is markets and he is unlikely to come back in. I mean we're down White and we're playing Stewart, Neade and Oshea plods ahead of him

This change can be seen through what we saw in Rd 1 vs St Failda and the Adelaide Gooses, the ridiculous defensive press which appears to have gone now, with Oshea coming in earlier than anticipated as also DBJ into defense (forced, loss of Trengove and Carlisle forcing it)

And whats baffling is that under this new plan or strategy, not that i have a clue what it is, he's not trialling players like Sam Gray (remember him) Calhoun (remember him) and Kane Mitchell (yes I know, but he can run fast and his DE, even at 12% is still probably better than Eberts, note: I don't want Kane in, but I wouldn't really be able to argue if Ken did bring him in because it would suggest he is trying him under his new strategy)

I'd say our Mids having 4th inside 50 is good. Perhaps Voss isn't the culprit we all think he is. I'd say being 17th in Marks inside 50 suggests the problem is a little further forward in that we have absolutely zero idea what to do to inside the F50.

The stats show that Dixon is the #1 leading target for forwards by daylight....which is similar to where Collingwood were a couple of years back with Cloke, at the time the #1 leading power forward in the game, and who 2 years later can't made the VFL reserves team. So if you aren't worried that this could be Dixon in 2 years well let me just point to the development of one John Butcher over the 4 years Ken has been coach, and the development of other forwards we had. I mean Ken brought Ryder in, and then Dixon in, so what does that tell you about what Ken thinks the solution to goal scoring is

So, don't develop, acquire. Robbie and Chad can mop up.

My observation is that Ken has been made to look good by the qualities of superstars Robbie Gray and Chad Wingard and doesn't have F50 tactical skill. I think this weekend will be interesting to see how both approach the game, and whether their heart really is with Ken at this time- but that's another conversation

The real rot set in when we lost both of them, and all 3 talls (Searge, Lobbe and Ryder).

So Ken is adapting and being close to winning last week thinks he is onto something and his new battleplan works, but got unlucky last week

(Post edit- "my personal observation is that".....) What he is missing is the trees for the forest. He can't see that Oshea and Neade are a liability, Ebert can't hit a target and Stewart can't hit a target more than 35 metres, and this is killing us, never mind his plan

(I also believe that) Ken knows he has 2 years, this is a classic case of needing to move players on and developing talent by giving them continuous game time, not throw Howard to the wolves vs the Crows and drop him and rely on Wines to ruck instead.

Ken is coaching for Ken now, to the clubs detriment, and I think there's some players playing like that

Remember, after last week, after THAT game against Carlton, where you would almost think they deliberately stopped and threw it, there were NO unforced changes.

The only change was being forced to drop someone out to make space for Robbie to come back in

Think about that

We might win by 30, they can't travel. WCE might win by 119, we are so small its loss for words and terribly out of form.

Doesn't matter. We've made finals 2 of the last 10 seasons and aren't improving, aren't playing a consistent game plan, haven't developed players and aren't developing players

this is why I am worried about the direction of the club

 

[BrockBlitz]

O'Shea is taller than Carlile

Plays like Kane Mitchell though - less the effort.

 

[Del80659]

People thisnis not a Hoax. My mates seen the whiteboard.

beautiful

 

[Spadge]

O'Shea and Amon keeping their spots is laughable

other than that good to see Robbie back

Still think we'll lose by at least 5 goals

 

[Schulzenfest]

O'Shea is taller than Carlile

Andrew Moore is as tall than Josh Gibson, who would you rather have at full back?

Your living memory must be very short if that was the worst you can remember. It would barely be the worst game of a Port Adelaide player in 2016.

8 disposals, 4 contested, 6 clangers, 3 FA's, 0 one percenters, 1 baffling game turning clanger. I'd be interested to hear which game you think was worse.

His form was great the previous 2 weeks.

Carn. He was OK but he was far from great. He's had one poor game, two decent games and one beyond awful game.

 

[Doctor Feel]

beautiful

Thisnis

 

[manureid]

8 disposals and 6 clangers...and 3 frees against. FMD. Someone needs to investigate if he received any lump sum payments before the game from a seedy Lygon St type. You could not play that bad if you tried.

 

[RossFC]

O'Shea and Carlile are both liabilities right now.

Neither of them should be anywhere near the team.

 

[bomberclifford]

Doesn't matter. We've made finals 2 of the last 10 seasons and aren't improving, aren't playing a consistent game plan and aren't developing players

We've made finals 4 out of the last 11 seasons.
We've also played in 2 GFs in the last 12 seasons.

At least be accurate when you quote stats.


Edit: Correction of extra season as pointed out by b0ydman. I feel a shame that burns like the heat of a thousand suns.

 

[ExpectToWin]

Andrew Moore is as tall than Josh Gibson, who would you rather have at full back?

You were specifically talking about addressing the height issue.

Don't get me wrong, O'Shea should not be playing this week

 

[b0ydman]

We've made finals 4 out of the last 10 seasons.
We've also played in 2 GFs in the last 11 seasons.

At least be accurate when you quote stats.

Put my hand up- numbers were wrong. It will be 2 in 9 when we flunk out this season and counting this season it will be 1 GF in 12 seasons

Now, live by the sword clifford, which 4 seasons in the last 10 were we in the finals?

 

[bomberclifford]

Put my hand up- numbers were wrong. It will be 2 in 9 when we flunk out this season and counting this season it will be 1 GF in 12 seasons

Now, live by the sword clifford, which 4 seasons in the last 10 were we in the finals?

2005
2007
2013
2014

 

[Steve Dore]

I'm really enjoying reading bomberclifford's totally random posts in this thread

 

[Del80659]

I'm really enjoying reading bomberclifford's totally random posts in this thread

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how dare u have the man channeling gods very words ignored

 

[TeeKray]

What even is selectable form. Structure prevails if our firsts and our seconds are all half out of form.

Well given we started the season playing three tall forwards, three tall backs and one ruckman (would have been two had Ryder not been suspended, given Ken's stated desire to play both Lobbe and Ryder) and by round 9 we have stripped back to two tall forwards, one tall back and one pseudo ruckman, I'm not even sure structure is a consideration at Allan Scott Power HQ.