Changes versus Richmond

[Powerade 08]

Yea.

I think the best thing for Neade is to keep him in the SANFL. Tell him he wont get a game till he is consistently kicking goals instead of points. Thats what kills him, missing those easy goals where hes got nobody around him, runs to about 30m and kicks it off the side of his boot for a point.

A guy his size and the position he plays needs to take his chances when they come so we should drill it into him before its too late. Impey can play forward if we need defensive pressure.

 

[TeeKray]

Don't think dropping Westhoff would achieve much apart from robbing ourselves of an important and basically irreplaceable player. Cop out for team and player. He needs to lift and he doesn't need to be dropped to do it.

Thought Impey was off the pace yesterday and don't understand how he, Broadbent and Krakouer can play in the same team. I'm going to keep pushing the Colquhoun bandwagon, I think he provides something different and we should be looking to fast track him back into the side. So Colquhoun for Impey is my first change.

Carlile for O'Shea the obvious one.

Wines comes back which puts a few in the firing line. I'd give White a spell at this stage but Mitchell is on pretty thin ice too.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Yea.

I think the best thing for Neade is to keep him in the SANFL. Tell him he wont get a game till he is consistently kicking goals instead of points. Thats what kills him, missing those easy goals where hes got nobody around him, runs to about 30m and kicks it off the side of his boot for a point.

A guy his size and the position he plays needs to take his chances when they come so we should drill it into him before its too late. Impey can play forward if we need defensive pressure.

If we were playing people in the SANFL for kicking points, we wouldn't be able to field a side at this point

 

[Rankor]

In- team defence, running both ways, first option.

Out-laziness

What ever happened to the defend first mantra we started in 2013?

 

[Jabba Guts]

In: 2014
Out: 2015

 

[Jabba Guts]

Yep, agree

 

[Gravel]

I think we are lacking grunt at the stoppages - Wines and Moore in

 

[Jabba Guts]

Interesting but I think you are right..This is the mantra ..."your form drops off and someone in the ressies will take your place ..nothing surer"

Now when you don't want to drop your gold passes you blame it on the team , rather than individuals...Ho Hum

Yes, reward players performance if they are playing well in two's. But they must be ready and not used to "punish" players in seniors because they did not perform. This can lead to too many players not playing like a team but playing as individuals to stay in the side. Players will look at their stats as a way of staying in the team and that is not a team player. I have seen how Jared Polec was treated at the Lions when he played up there he had a bad game and was sent back to ressies to work on his "defence". But do not count the fact that what he did in a few touches was all the right things and set up goals. This is not the way to gel... this will not help the team.

Last weeks performance must be looked at all angles. Did the coaches get their game play right? Do the coaches have tactics they can utilize to change things up when it doesn't go right? Can the players understand the game plan and play to it. Sometimes coaches think they know everything and when it doesn't go right they will blame it on players. A GOOD coach has a GOOD tactical mind because let's face it footy isn't about getting the ball and having possession and defending the ball.... It's about getting the ball and slotting it into those big sticks which is what we did last year.

A good coach will look at why they lost and what I saw was Port lost the ball at stoppages. Why was that??? Were they set up to attack or defend? I suppose what I am saying the coaching staff have to look at what they are doing different from last year to this year. The players haven't changed that much but for some unknown reason they are playing differently and to say they were LAZY is just not right. Those players work their nuts off week in week out.
I would say Coaches look at yourselves and look at what you are doing to OUR TEAM... Especially the Mid field coaches and Kenny you should be questioning them not your players.

 

[raptalia]

i think the problem for most of us is that we still remember 2011 when some bigger names were immune from the axe.

Hopefully it will be; IN: Wines and Carlile but it will won't be OUT: O'Shea and Amon. That would be the easy way out and shades of 2011.

 

[*PAF]

ken hasnt rewarded form he has rewarded names, i doubt we will see the changes we all know must happen. he let things slip from a dominant position to mid packers last year when he refused to drop horribly out of form names while just shuffling around the fringe players, the season slipped away and it cost us where it really mattered at the end of the year. hopefully now he realises he must make key changes to the side, before its too late.

Totally disagree with this post.

 

[raptalia]

Yes, reward players performance if they are playing well in two's. But they must be ready and not used to "punish" players in seniors because they did not perform. This can lead to too many players not playing like a team but playing as individuals to stay in the side. Players will look at their stats as a way of staying in the team and that is not a team player. I have seen how Jared Polec was treated at the Lions when he played up there he had a bad game and was sent back to ressies to work on his "defence". But do not count the fact that what he did in a few touches was all the right things and set up goals. This is not the way to gel... this will not help the team.

Last weeks performance must be looked at all angles. Did the coaches get their game play right? Do the coaches have tactics they can utilize to change things up when it doesn't go right? Can the players understand the game plan and play to it. I know it sounds like junior footy but sometimes coaches think they know everything and when it doesn't go right they will blame it on players. A GOOD coach has a GOOD tactical mind because let's face it footy isn't about getting the ball and having possession and defending the ball. It's about getting the ball and slotting it into those big sticks.

A good coach will look at why they lost and what I saw was Port lost the ball at stoppages. Why was that??? Were they set up to attack or defend? I suppose what I am saying the coaching staff have to look at what they are doing different from last year to this year. The players haven't changed that much but for some unknown reason they are playing differently and to say they were lazy is just not right. Those players work their nuts off week in week out. I would say Coaches look at yourselves and look at what you are doing to OUR TEAM... Especially the Mid field coaches and Kenny you should be questioning them not your players.

I take some of your points particularly that of the coaching strategy v player's self discipline. Unfortunately we are not privy to what Hinkley and Voss are telling theses guys to do but we have to assume that Hinkley can see what we can see and the players are being told to do a number of things including the corridor more often. That said it is not happening so we have to assume that the players are not following instructions. IF that is the case the players have to be accountable. We also have to bear in mind that the opposition will work us out and accordingly both Coaches and players have to respond. Again maybe it is, as you suggest, the Coaching panel's fault but maybe it is the players who are not following the Coaches call, or maybe it is both, who knows? I cannot believe that a Coach who has held most of the answers over the past two years suddenly doesn't see what he should. I refuse to believe today's media that the side was coached by Phillip Walsh and that Hinkley was simply a front man. Maybe Voss is not the Coach we think he is and if that is the case we should act.

Your use of Polec as an example of the effect of dropping players is off the mark. Polec was a first/ second year player and these players do get dropped. If we believe the media most of Polec's problems were off field anyway. We are talking of experienced players who are not being held accountable for some pretty insipid efforts. They are either being coached incorrectly or they are not following instruction. That being the case, as I see it we do need to 'punish' players if they do not perform, to do otherwise is to accept mediocrity and if we do that we risk becoming an also ran.

 

[Jabba Guts]

I take some of your points particularly that of the coaching strategy v player's self discipline. Unfortunately we are not privy to what Hinkley and Voss are telling theses guys to do but we have to assume that Hinkley can see what we can see and the players are being told to do a number of things including the corridor more often. That said it is not happening so we have to assume that the players are not following instructions. IF that is the case the players have to be accountable. We also have to bear in mind that the opposition will work us out and accordingly both Coaches and players have to respond. Again maybe it is, as you suggest, the Coaching panel's fault but maybe it is the players who are not following the Coaches call, or maybe it is both, who knows? I cannot believe that a Coach who has held most of the answers over the past two years suddenly doesn't see what he should. I refuse to believe today's media that the side was coached by Phillip Walsh and that Hinkley was simply a front man. Maybe Voss is not the Coach we think he is and if that is the case we should act.

Your use of Polec as an example of the effect of dropping players is off the mark. Polec was a first/ second year player and these players do get dropped. If we believe the media most of Polec's problems were off field anyway. We are talking of experienced players who are not being held accountable for some pretty insipid efforts. They are either being coached incorrectly or they are not following instruction. That being the case, as I see it we do need to 'punish' players if they do not perform, to do otherwise is to accept mediocrity and if we do that we risk becoming an also ran.

 

[ozph1870]

Totally disagree with this post.

Who is the biggest name player ken has dropped?

 

[SureBuddy]

IN - Wines, Carlile, Moore, Young

OUT - Mitchell, Amon, O'Shea, Impey

Bring in some real big bodies and experience into this lineup and I would make Youngy the sub. Impey is a bit stiff, but I do not think he is required this game against Richmond. With those 4 in it really makes us look a lot stronger across the board. Amon is also a bit stiff, but this is probably the most important game of our season so far, if we lose this, goodbye any chance of top 4 and hello to battling it out for bottom half of the 8. Need strong, tough bodies.

 

[port always]

Hate to harp but Stewy must be given a go ...He has I think played 3 SANFL games this year, if you ignore his KO against Norwood..He has, according to dreamteam points been the best player in the whole of the SANFL for 2 of those games and second for the other one..I applaud him for not dropping his head ..Surely you should reward that effort

On another point I think Richmond got White right as using him as a constant sub..His numbers are not good for a mid forward and he does not impact the game for long enough..As a sub for the last Qr he could do that

 

[chiwigi]

Hate to harp but Stewy must be given a go ...He has I think played 3 SANFL games this year, if you ignore his KO against Norwood..He has, according to dreamteam points been the best player in the whole of the SANFL for 2 of those games and second for the other one..I applaud him for not dropping his head ..Surely you should reward that effort

On another point I think Richmond got White right as using him as a constant sub..His numbers are not good for a mid forward and he does not impact the game for long enough..As a sub for the last Qr he could do that

I accept that now we are a losing team. Time to reward form.

 

[*PAF]

Who is the biggest name player ken has dropped?

Ken is working towards a premiership and needs to get the quality players to play as a team plus tweak where required.
During pre season the emphasis was on foot skills and that implies a tweak in gameplan.

Dropping quality for quantity makes as much sense as dropping Mitchell for a 4th KPP, a 5th KPD or another inside mid that many on here have called for as a solution for improving our lack of run.

Calling for players such as Westhoff or Monfries to be dropped is quoting names for the sake of it, nothing to do with gold passes.

 

[Jabba Guts]

I appologise for offending you concerning Kenny. I am not saying Walsh was in charge of Kenny. But Walsh was our head coach for our midfield. What I am saying is that so far we have lost the ball in stoppages? And "YES" we need to look at other ways of winning the ball... but our stoppages are failing us and Kenny needs to question this.

And Jared Polec has been a fringe player for the last 4 1/2 years. He still has not played 50 games. In Polec's first year at Lions he played 2 full games.. a sub in his 3rd and then dropped to reserves to work on his defence... left there until he was injured. In his second year played 13 games and played well but was subbed out against Hawks because he had no effect on game... He had 6 touches but in his defence he set up a possible 4 goals even though only 2 goals were scored and then again was left in reserves to work on defence and 3rd year left in reserves perhaps due to unprofessional attitude or maybe his attitude was due to being left out. Polec obviously under Kenny improved. Even though Polec was tagged and did not have much of an influence on games he was not dropped. When Polec came to Port he played every game. What was the difference??? Polec's attitude or Kenny having faith in him and playing him!!!!

 

[Jabba Guts]

Ken is working towards a premiership and needs to get the quality players to play as a team plus tweak where required.
During pre season the emphasis was on foot skills and that implies a tweak in gameplan.

Dropping quality for quantity makes as much sense as dropping Mitchell for a 4th KPP, a 5th KPD or another inside mid that many on here have called for as a solution for improving our lack of run.

Calling for players such as Westhoff or Monfries to be dropped is quoting names for the sake of it, nothing to do with gold passes.

To drop Westhoff is foolish... The guy is playing a different role and needs to get used to it... and who would want to drop Monfries... that would be the biggest mistake of all... the guy can play and kick goals...

 

[Forzaport]

Who is the biggest name player ken has dropped?

Probably O'Shea although Hombsch struggled with form and injury in his first year.

Established senior players rarely get dropped - their form might be down but the work rate and effort is still there.

 

[*PAF]

Probably O'Shea although Hombsch struggled with form and injury in his first year.

Established senior players rarely get dropped - their form might be down but the work rate and effort is still there.

Hard to see Mitchell, Hodge, Gunston or Gibson being dropped if they go through a bit of a bad patch but some expect Hinkley to do just that.

 

[FallingLiefs]

Hate to harp but Stewy must be given a go ...He has I think played 3 SANFL games this year, if you ignore his KO against Norwood..He has, according to dreamteam points been the best player in the whole of the SANFL for 2 of those games and second for the other one..I applaud him for not dropping his head ..Surely you should reward that effort

On another point I think Richmond got White right as using him as a constant sub..His numbers are not good for a mid forward and he does not impact the game for long enough..As a sub for the last Qr he could do that

Aaron Young is another that performs well above many others in the sanfl. however, in both of their cases when you defend as well as a 1 legged Frenchman in the SANFL, that's not exactly the form you want to select them on. Just another of the million times DT points and stats hardly tell all the stories.

 

[tim cotrill]

wines will be a massive in this week..his toughness around the football gives boaky and gray a massive hand in the middle.

 

[croweyrocks]

Hard to see Mitchell, Hodge, Gunston or Gibson being dropped if they go through a bit of a bad patch but some expect Hinkley to do just that.

Brad Sewell was a gun, same as Ryan O'Keefe and they got dropped in there time at their teams. To be fair to Ken though we don't have too many players ageing like Sewell and O'Keefe were. Just shows a lot of our depth at the moment are quite young in comparison to Hawthorn, Sydney, Fremantle.

 

[Peck]

Interesting but I think you are right..This is the mantra ..."your form drops off and someone in the ressies will take your place ..nothing surer"

Now when you don't want to drop your gold passes you blame it on the team , rather than individuals...Ho Hum

You can't drop Robbie Gray or Travis Boak. Neither of them are doing all the right things, so why is it OK to leave them in the team but not Kane Mitchell for example.

Our problem is with players playing for themselves, when they need to be playing for the team. I'm not sure if dropping players en masse will do anything to change that attitude.