Changes versus Richmond

[mic59]

A squad of 25 so three to come out. Well, Wines and Carlile are ins and as Tredders said there is no point in up-grading a player unless he will be selected. Broadbent and Hartlett should be 2 of the I/C. Would like to see Karl get at least one more game as the sub.

Stewart or Impey could play if White does not come up.

 

[Sneeky]

Stewart to get a full game please. Seriously underrated

 

[Sewer de Lance]

A squad of 25 so three to come out. Well, Wines and Carlile are ins and as Tredders said there is no point in up-grading a player unless he will be selected. Broadbent and Hartlett should be 2 of the I/C. Would like to see Karl get at least one more game as the sub.

Stewart or Impey could play if White does not come up.

If White is carrying an injury then why the hell are we even naming him? It's quite apparent he's carrying some type of injury because he's barely fired a shot all year.

 

[ab56452001]

So does every one agree that Oshea is the only one that deserves to get dropped ? , knew it would be a fringe player , how about , say Pittard , Mitchel or even Ebert ? , come on KH , put the wind up em !

 

[Janus]

In: Gray
Out: Gray

 

[Sewer de Lance]

I've had a good look at the Hawks game this week and it has only confirmed to me that we need to stop playing Westhoff in defensive 50, when things are going well the individual parts of the team don't matter so much and can be the things that really enhance the team whether that be being a bit fancy, doing a handstand like Aker or having a man bun but these are the things that draw criticism when things aren't going so smoothly. This week hopefully we strip everything back and get back to doing the basics of team football. When we're up and about Hoff can play that roaming game and with Ryder that can work but it's gone way too far.

Watching the Hawks game again, they kicked the first goal of the last quarter and we put Hoff straight back into defense... We went defensive and tried to defend the lead and hold on rather than win the game. We wonder why they had so many repeat entries, well it's because Westhoff was standing in the defensive 50 on no one so we'd win it back but had no one to win it 100 metres from goal and Hawks used the extra numbers to create run and eventually any team but Hawks especially will hurt you. We were praised for our last line of defense and scraping but we're being weak and giving the defense too much of a cop-out. Sitting back and putting numbers behind the ball means the game is in our defensive half and the forwards can't pressure because their so out numbered and I don't think we should praise the defense for doing so well when we're inviting so much pressure, sure two-way running from the midfield is pivotal to help the defense out and obviously in the last couple of minutes in each quarter especially if the opposition have kicked a couple of goals having Westhoff drift into defense is fine but not at the 4 min mark of a bloody quarter and because we were under siege he stayed in defense, but the whole reason we were under so much pressure was we had nothing forward of centre, nothing and no one to link wing to forward 50 the exact role Westhoff should be playing! When Ryder is in the ruck Westhoff should be playing closer to goal and when Ryder is up forward thats when Westhoff can really work his opponent over, he has to take a leaf out of Riewoldt's book and really use his aerobic capacity and blow his opponent up working up and back being the link between half back and forward 50. I saw against the Lions Westhoff got back but his opponent followed him, in what world is that a win for us, having a forward not even playing loose in defense, thats a win for the opposition. We already have Carlile, Trengove, Hombsch and Jonas so we don't need anymore height or lumbering 6'8' players in defense, especially when the oppositions most dangerous forwards are smalls like Betts, Rioli and Green last week.

If we need someone to play a loose man role surely Krak or Broady would be better for that role having more speed and better skills without having to sacrifice a key forward and our whole attacking structure to achieve defensive security. I don't know if it's player initiated or the coach's instruction but we're being far too defensive and it means we can't use our run, our defense is capable and even if we do get beaten in the clearances and in the midfield we have the quality to win the ball back but we have to back ourselves so that we have the weapons and structure in place on the rebound otherwise we're going nowhere fast. Taking it on is a lot easier when you look up and see proper options, but like in the Hawks game being at the game you could see we'd get the ball back and we wouldn't run on knowing we have nothing ahead. Our list is better than 14 other teams so why not beat them fair and square one on one. This is why people are saying that it may have looked like we were trying but our skills were shocking, well it's because coming out of defensive 50 we have no options and turn it over. A few games last year we won the inside 50s but players hit us on the counter which is how we beat the Crows, but I'd rather lose pressing teams and getting caught out than moving away from our attacking style and losing our run because we're too defensive minded. Another thing I hate is young players making their debut as sub then being dropped, sure they get the experience of AFL but wouldn't it be better for them to stay in the SANFL getting a full game than play for a quarter for 3 weeks then going back? The sub role can go to outside runners that are lacking form like Mitchell, White, Stewart and Krak who can come on and create run.

I don't think it does much for young player's development for them to play a quarter a week until they get dropped, they might as well stay in the SANFL, however Amon sub is fine as he's a half forward and a hard runner as long as he then gets a full game but why play Ah Chee sub when he's a clearance player yet play Mitchell and White for full games. The problem last week is we played 4 half back flankers plus O'Shea and didn't replace Wines and Polec who are ball winners and get plenty of the ball, surely we can't play both Krak and Impey if both Broady and Pittard are fit, the same way we probably can't play both Amon and Neade as their playing the same role and it would be too many players who will get around the 15 disposal mark playing for a player who would get 25 like Wines, especially if those touches are either forward or defense because who is making up the 25 touches in the middle? But more importantly if you're playing Wingard and Gray through the middle to cover Wines and Polec then we need another half forward to help Monfries. Unfortunately if match ups don't suit then maybe Jonas or Trengove may have to play different roles, maybe they should develop swing-man roles. I think Hombsch would be great swinging forward as he's such a great natural mark, there's so much Chad Cornes about him but he's still in that critical 30-80 games mark of learning so since he's playing so well I wouldn't want to mess with that but I reckon if we come up against teams like Adelaide with limited tall defensive option why not play Jonas or Trengove forward for a quarter and see how they go.

For me these are the changes we should do this week:
Out: O'Shea Mitchell Impey/White (Who ever stays in the side should be sub)
In: Carlile Wines Stewart

Give Amon a full game playing half forward with Wingard and Gray playing a bit more in the midfield. Richmond have Riewoldt, Vickey, Griffiths and McBean which for this week is perfect for our four talls so we don't need all four of our half backs so either Impey or Kraks need to be dropped down. Once Cornes has retired, Young, Ah Chee, Neade and Impey to contend hotly for spots. For mine Amon & Neade should be given opportunity before Sam Gray in the same way Ah Chee, Young, Colquhoun should be given opportunity over Mitchell. Moore is now in the Stewart category, bring in when in top form but potential is over its about bringing them in when they're playing in top form.

Welcome aboard Timmy, you've set the standard now. Most of us on this forum can barely put a coherent sentence together let alone multiple informative paragraphs.

 

[Sewer de Lance]

So does every one agree that Oshea is the only one that deserves to get dropped ? , knew it would be a fringe player , how about , say Pittard , Mitchel or even Ebert ? , come on KH , put the wind up em !

Mitchell yes, decision making and disposal is not up to AFL standard. Jasper & Ebo a definite no. Westy, Hartlett, White & Broady however, could count themselves lucky on current form.

 

[Tiger71]

No he'll slot 4 easy goals

I rate white, so I was not potting him. Just as a small forward normally is not his strength, and in the Brisbane game he was stuck in there. He needs to run White and i figured he lacked run last week maybe due to being sore?

Anyway, just figured ill ask

 

[ab56452001]

I rate white, so I was not potting him. Just as a small forward normally is not his strength, and in the Brisbane game he was stuck in there. He needs to run White and i figured he lacked run last week maybe due to being sore?

Anyway, just figured ill ask

If White is being played not 100% fit , we got what we deserved against Brisbane . In over 140+ years of Aussie rules footy its been proven time and again , DONT play injured players , surely someone could of taken Whites spot , geez he aint that good !

 

[philreich]

How the hell have Crows been doing so well with ALL of their injuries? We have almost none and yet dropping all these games. Maybe Crows are better than us? I am a tad nervous. Pull your fingers out this week, boys. We CANNOT let Walsh and Rooshitto get a Premiership before us!

Don't worry. The Crows are as far away from a premiership as I am from an AFL debut.

 

[FallingLiefs]

I rate white, so I was not potting him. Just as a small forward normally is not his strength, and in the Brisbane game he was stuck in there. He needs to run White and i figured he lacked run last week maybe due to being sore?

Anyway, just figured ill ask

Struggling with OP, had surgery last year and groin still giving him issues.

 

[philreich]

Welcome aboard Timmy, you've set the standard now. Most of us on this forum can barely put a coherent sentence together let alone multiple informative paragraphs.

I'm reliably informed that TimmyD11 would talk on the phone for half an hour if it was a wrong number

 

[TeeKray]

I'm just going to assume they made a typo on the team sheet and Sam Gray actually means Sam Colquhoun.

 

[mic59]

How the hell have Crows been doing so well with ALL of their injuries? We have almost none and yet dropping all these games. Maybe Crows are better than us? I am a tad nervous. Pull your fingers out this week, boys. We CANNOT let Walsh and Rooshitto get a Premiership before us!

They do have some bad outs at the moment but they seem to fudge the figures a bit. Based on the information they put in the round 7 injury update both of this weeks' ins, Cam Ellis-Yolmen and Josh Jenkins should still be on the injury list.

And we had just about no injuries last year. This can be counter-productive as it can mean no-one is ready to step up, particularly as we have not had a round 1 draft pick for 2 years.

 

[Tiger71]

Struggling with OP, had surgery last year and groin still giving him issues.

At his 9 years at richmond, he had that very same issue for 6. You guys have managed him real well considering he has played a lot of games so far with you guys. Was the reason we used him as a sub only, wrongly IMO. One thing I will say, if he is injured his form drops off alarmingly. Simply IMO his asset is his kicking ( mostly) and his speed.

IMO I would have rested him for a couple of weeks.

Anyway, thanks for the info.

 

[edgie]

Picking players for the AFL team is not rocket science nor a lucky dip. Our club is the only one that struggles so badly with it, we've regularly picked guys who are way out of form or clearly not up to AFL for 10+ years.

...
Think we've already cooked our chance. Premiership sides don't upgrade 2 rookies and get deperate enough to play guys like Butcher, Redden and O'Shea in the first 7 rounds...

There was absolutely nothing wrong with naming Butcher as a late inclusion in round 1.

The rest, yeah, pretty much.

 

[edgie]

I'm just going to assume they made a typo on the team sheet and Sam Gray actually means Sam Colquhoun.

That's not an improvement.

 

[x_les_x]

******* hell.

A) Gray is probably the least inspiring player on our list. Should not under any circumstances be taking opportunities from the likes of Amon or Ah Chee.
B) If he's upgraded in Polec's place, what happens when Frampton gets back? If we have to move Krak back to the SANFL in a few weeks because we wasted Polec's list spot on Sam ****ing Gray I will flip. Shocking, baffling list management.

Relax there fella. If the AFL is true to their equality we should be able to do what the saints did.

http://www.saints.com.au/news/2015-05-21/sinclair-returns-to-senior-list

 

[Schulzenfest]

Ooh, that's a new rule. I like it, common sense.

 

[Powerstufff]

How is Cam O'Shea a big out?

Source was his mum

 

[simmo_bc]

Don't worry. The Crows are as far away from a premiership as I am from an AFL debut.

I'd suggest that the Crows are about to go on a decent losing run, starting this weekend against the GWS.

 

[simmo_bc]

I can't see Sam Gray getting a game this weekend however based on current form he probably deserves to be in the squad of 25. I don't see the point in playing someone that doesn't have the potential to be a bona fide AFL player over a decent length of time.

I'll be pretty disappointed for Amon if he doesn't play this week, he will play +200 games for us. On that point, gee I hate the damn sub rule. I've watched him closely over 2 years and he has one of the most perfect kicks going around.

O'Shea omitted and not being named in the squad is a pretty damning assessment of his game and where he is at for the moment. For someone that apparently had a cracking pre season has certainly started the season off poorly.

Well done to Stewart for making the squad. I don't see him making the 22 'this week' however it is probably good for team morale that he is being rewarded for his good form in the SANFL. He is a popular club man so a wise move.

 

[philreich]

I'd suggest that the Crows are about to go on a decent losing run, starting this weekend against the GWS.

Fairly sure they'll beat Carlton - otherwise I reckon you're right.

 

[Alberton Proud]

A "big out" with a "wow" suffixed to it is not Matt White. A "wow" omission would be a Hamish Hartlett, a Chad Wingard or perhaps a Justin Westhoff.

Won't happen

 

[davesnothere]

Stewart for Broadbent if anything close to a big out happens.