Changes vs Adelaide.

[bOmBeR_BoY1]

I will have to hear more about the reports from the VFL before making predictions on changes. It is obvious there will be two or three though. Prismall apparently had 30 possessions and played a full game in the VFL today, I think it's time to make his debut and Dempsey should return.

We lost to Geelong by 99 points last year and come out the next week and had a good win. Hopefully we can respond well again to this setback.

 

[carmi99]

Adelaide - Chris Knights
Melbourne - Sylvia or Wona (if he's back by then)
Carlton - Betts
Collingwood - Didak
Sydney - Jared Moore
Bulldogs - Johnson
Richmond - Nahas
West Coast - LeCras
Brisbane - Hooper
St Kilda - Milne
Fremantle - Ballantyne
Hawthorn - Rioli

Houli has stopped this guys in the last 3 weeks so i would give him first dibs again. Slatts hasnt got the pace to go with Rob. Not saying he shouldnt be picked though. Those saying he doesnt have a role as a small shut down defender are off their nuts.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Adelaide - Chris Knights (queries overhead and Knights is in the midfield a lot)
Melbourne - Sylvia or Wona (if he's back by then) (Slatery gets a game)
Carlton - Betts (I would prefer to give this job to Houli to improve his defensive game. Just can't see Slattery being around when it is improtant)
Collingwood - Didak (Slatery gets a game)
Sydney - Jared Moore (Dangerous forward option? You use one spot in the 22 for Moore?)
Bulldogs - Johnson (No, Johnson is too good overhead)
Richmond - Nahas (You must be joking, have you seen how fast this guy is)
West Coast - LeCras (I would give Slattery the job here though overhead might be a problem.)
Brisbane - Hooper (I heisitated long enough when making a decision to concede this one)
St Kilda - Milne (Yes)
Fremantle - Ballantyne (Dangerous forward option? You use one spot in the 22 for this guy?)
Hawthorn - Rioli (This smells to me so no. Again I just don't know how he keeps up in the cricual moments)

Those saying he doesnt have a role as a small shut down defender are off their nuts.

As simple as what carmi said. You are looking for any nitpicking little thing to drop Slats, and ignoring facts.

Who's better on the small forwards? Nash? T Slattery? Atkinson?

 

[dave_27]

OUT: Bellchambers Skipworth

IN: Daniher Dempsey

 

[Boucks09]

This thread should be closed until Monday morning each week as there are too many posters who post crap based purely on emotion and the disappointment of the game (or a player's performance) directly after a match.

It's essentially 4 pages of tripe so far.

 

[rioli brownlow]

OUT: Bellchambers Skipworth

IN: Daniher Dempsey

i would go with
in.daniher,dempsey,prismall,lucas
out. bellchambers,slattery,zarkarakis,lonergan.

the reason why lucas was dropped in the first place was to get confidence back. but for christ sake playing for a team that is getting smashed by over 60 points everyweek what is the point? he has kicked 10 goals in the previous 3 games in the vfl before today, from going by the scores very few oppurtunitys so why not put him back in the ones as he will still take the 2nd best defender and it will give neagle the 3rd best. total waste of time him playing at bendigo, if knights refuses to play him next week, then he might aswell retire with a bit of dignity. cause he certaintly isn't receiving any playing for bendigo.

i would like to line up like this next week.

houli,pears,daniher
dempsey,mcphee,stanton
dyson,watson,lovett
davey,lloyd,prismall
monfries,neagle,lucas
ryder,mcveigh,windelich

jetta,skipworth,hooker,hocking

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

How can the glasses be so rose coloured for a player that barely does the role he is asked to do when he plays on a remotely good player.

Just because Slattery is dropped does not mean he is being made a scapegoat. He is very much a horses for courses type player. Who was a realistic match up today against Geelong?

Hawkins - obviously not a chance (far too small and wouldn't ask it of him)
Mooney - ditto
Johnson - it had had been said many times before the game he couldn't overhead with SJ
Varcoe - wouldn't think Slats could keep up
Byrnes - ditto
Djkurra - ditto (did seem a little slower than Varcoe & Byrnes so maybe)
Rooke - well you are not going to tag a tagger surely
Abblett - can't see Slats staying with him

Chapman - this would have been OK, obviously Chapman didn't play


So who of the list of players that is realistically going to play forward would you play Slattery on with any confidence? Chapman is the only match up IMO and he didn't play.

Slattery is protected because he is hard and gives his all as a defensive player. There are so few decent players that he can do a job on that he ends up being carried more weeks than he is not.

Lets look at the set up next week:

Tippett - obviously not chance (far too small and wouldn't ask it of him)
Walker - can't go with him overhead
Porplyzia - ditto
Thompson - ditto
Goodwin - ditto
Johncock - (hardly ever plays forward these daysayway) can't keep up with him
Dangerfield - ditto

That is it for the dagerous forward options that I would bother closing down. If there is no match up for the shut down player why would he play?

sorry for butting in however Goodwin, Thompson and Johncock have spent little to no time in the forward line this season

so if you remove these three and replace them with Stevens, Kights (9 goals in last 2 games) and McLeod and Vince rotating through the forward zone then you can do your match ups

 

[rioli brownlow]

Adelaide - Chris Knights (queries overhead and Knights is in the midfield a lot)
Melbourne - Sylvia or Wona (if he's back by then) (Slatery gets a game)
Carlton - Betts (I would prefer to give this job to Houli to improve his defensive game. Just can't see Slattery being around when it is improtant)
Collingwood - Didak (Slatery gets a game)
Sydney - Jared Moore (Dangerous forward option? You use one spot in the 22 for Moore?)
Bulldogs - Johnson (No, Johnson is too good overhead)
Richmond - Nahas (You must be joking, have you seen how fast this guy is)
West Coast - LeCras (I would give Slattery the job here though overhead might be a problem.)
Brisbane - Hooper (I heisitated long enough when making a decision to concede this one)
St Kilda - Milne (Yes)
Fremantle - Ballantyne (Dangerous forward option? You use one spot in the 22 for this guy?)
Hawthorn - Rioli (This smells to me so no. Again I just don't know how he keeps up in the cricual moments)



As simple as what carmi said. You are looking for any nitpicking little thing to drop Slats, and ignoring facts.

Who's better on the small forwards? Nash? T Slattery? Atkinson?

ever heard of houli????

last 3 weeks. milne,nahas and varcoe total goals 3!!!!!!!!

 

[Ben the Gooner]

ever heard of houli????

last 3 weeks. milne,nahas and varcoe total goals 3!!!!!!!!

You'll notice that Houli has been playing alongside Slattery for the past three weeks. So it follows logically that there's a spot for both of them.

But if you want to drop Slattery for some "structure" bullshit which is an attempt to justify the chip on your shoulder, go for it.

 

[AndyLesPaul]

This thread should be closed until Monday morning each week as there are too many posters who post crap based purely on emotion and the disappointment of the game (or a player's performance) directly after a match.

It's essentially 4 pages of tripe so far.

That's why its fun

 

[rioli brownlow]

You'll notice that Houli has been playing alongside Slattery for the past three weeks. So it follows logically that there's a spot for both of them.

But if you want to drop Slattery for some "structure" bullshit which is an attempt to justify the chip on your shoulder, go for it.

you just made a fool of yourself, you asked the ? who is someone better to play on the small forwards other than slattery?

 

[Kong]

This thread should be closed until Monday morning each week as there are too many posters who post crap based purely on emotion and the disappointment of the game (or a player's performance) directly after a match.

It's essentially 4 pages of tripe so far.

Tell me about it

 

[jbct]

I will have to hear more about the reports from the VFL before making predictions on changes. It is obvious there will be two or three though. Prismall apparently had 30 possessions and played a full game in the VFL today, I think it's time to make his debut and Dempsey should return.

We lost to Geelong by 99 points last year and come out the next week and had a good win. Hopefully we can respond well again to this setback.

Crows are so overated it's not funny. Pears will shut Walker down big time next week. Prismal will come in, question mark about playing Mcveigh today looked underdowned and had mimal impact really kicked a nice goal though. Say

Out: Skipworth, Jetta
In: Prismal and Riemers

Skipworth did some alright things today but made us look really slow

 

[Zaka11]

Houli and McPhee are treading a fine line. Dont think we should drop McPhee purely because we need a backman while fletch and hurley are out. Houli has played for a few weeks and not really got into hot form. He is getting the footy but still turning it over too much/not winning balls in dispute, and needs to work on his defensive side. Hopefully Welsh Reimers and Prissy are available next week.

 

[Zaka11]

Crows are so overated it's not funny. Pears will shut Walker down big time next week. Prismal will come in, question mark about playing Mcveigh today looked underdowned and had mimal impact really kicked a nice goal though. Say

Out: Skipworth, Jetta
In: Prismal and Riemers

Skipworth did some alright things today but made us look really slow

McVeigh wasnt given a proper crack until half time. Put into the middle and i thought it was obvious he had an impact in the second half!

His running and presenting was outstanding for someone who has missed so much footy. That last quarter especially he could have had 5 more possies if they didnt ignore his lead into space!

 

[Ben the Gooner]

you just made a fool of yourself, you asked the ? who is someone better to play on the small forwards other than slattery?

No I didn't. I was defending Slattery against BrunoV's claim that he doesn't fit into our structure. He fits in nicely with Houli, I'd say.

Incidentally, capitalisation is a wonderful thing.

 

[Strike Swiftly]

OUTS:

Jetta- Not up to it. Really not up to it.
Monfries - Two inept displays in a row. Dropped.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

OUTS:

Jetta- Not up to it. Really not up to it.
Monfries - Two inept displays in a row. Dropped.

I have been harsh on Jetta the past few weeks and so I paid careful attention to his game today and I think he did enough to stay in. He was one of the few that was able to avoid the all-ground pressure of the Cats.

 

[dave_27]

Lucas for Monfries an option?

 

[BrunoV]

sorry for butting in however Goodwin, Thompson and Johncock have spent little to no time in the forward line this season

so if you remove these three and replace them with Stevens, Kights (9 goals in last 2 games) and McLeod and Vince rotating through the forward zone then you can do your match ups

Going off that I wouldn't change my opinion. What do you think? Would you be happy with Slattery lining up on either of the three.

I could handle McLeod because he seems to have los some of his pace, wouldn't bother playing a guy solely for the purpose of tagging Vince as a forward and am under the impression that Knights would be too strong in the air.

 

[BrunoV]

No I didn't. I was defending Slattery against BrunoV's claim that he doesn't fit into our structure. He fits in nicely with Houli, I'd say.

Incidentally, capitalisation is a wonderful thing.

I don't think I used the word structure.

He doesn't fit in the side as he is too often a liability because he is a very limited player with a limited range of suitable opponenents.


This is not directed at Ben but is more of a general comment: these dicsussions are constantly blown out of context because everyone wants to volunteers their useless one line opinions as fact without any real reasoning evident.

Obviously I don't like Slattery but it is unfair to dumb it down to me not having a clue or having a chip on my shoulder when I have stated reasons for my views. Which virtually no-one (other than an Adelaide supporter) seems to have bothered with.

The only tripe in these threads is the seemingly pointless insults and jibes posted by people who don't actually volunteer and views yet seem to think that they maje meaningful contributions.

 

[lemon chicken]

Lucas for Monfries an option?

Yep definite for me. Just too big a gap between his good and bad for a player of his experience.

 

[hollywood23]

Ok this is my first post, I signed up because I feel so passionately about the Henry Slattery predicament. To those who think slattery is worthy of a place in our side you must be kidding yourselves. Granted he is a solid battler and has guts, but the guy has no footballing nous. He continually makes bad decisions, gets caught under the ball a hell of a lot, easily beaten for pace and in marking contests, poor skill execution, and just no ability to read the play. Any smart forward would have a field day on the guy.

Understood that there are few alternatives, but surely a guy like david myers would have to take his spot. good reader of the play, good at shutting down opponents, sure he can work on his pace but this is a guy worth persisting with because he will be a gun. Even atkinson could be an option, quick versatile big body. Both these players would provide much more than slattery..he is a dead set liability folks

 

[marcuz]

I'm not getting too upset over that loss, Geelong is a special mature side who physically took us to task today.

We are one or two big bodies short in the midfield, once watson is nullified we struggle to win any clean ball. We need McVeigh to get match fit and introduce another bigger body to help out watson. Welsh isnt far off and Myers should be given a go also.

Dempsey back next week will help and as i said i'd try Myers in the middle.

 

[OzBomber]

In - Prismall, Dempsey
Out - Whoever.