Changes vs Adelaide.

[efcboy]

How the hell does Tyson Slattery show promise and Henry doesn't? Seriously, tell me how. I look forward to seeing how the hell you justify this. Despite how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise, Henry has been quite good this season and would not surprise me at all if he was in the top in our B&F.

One bad game against the best team in the completion playing against the best player in the completion (Yes, SJ is currently playing better than Abeltt) and he's useless and we should dump him for a rookie who must be better than Henry...for some inexplicable reason. **** off. Should we dump Lloyd this week? He was useless yestreday as well. "Most people are a waste of time" How ****ing true.

I have no idea how you do this job Whomb.

for starters don't go talking about a champion like lloyd and comparing him with a complete dud like h.slattery...henry slattery in the b&f - give me a break....

well spikey i watched all the pre-season matches and attend training regularly. there are five things i can tell you that tyson has over henry going into the future:
(1) tyson is taller so has better reach to spoil
(2) tyson is much quicker so has better pace to fit in our game style
(3) tyson has much better kicking skills
(4) tyson is 18yo so has time to improve unlike 23yo henry who hasn't improved much at all in his time at the club.
(5) tyson doesn't have the injury concerns like henry had at a young age (continually straining his ilio-tibial bands in his quads etc)

the only thing henry has over tyson at present is physical strength. as i said tyson would need time and this time will allow him to develop the strength to play at afl level.

henry has been in the system for quite some time now and hasn't improved much so i don't see much potential in him at all. tyson showed a bit during the nab cup series so i think he could have a better future than henry. i'm bemused that you can argue with this logic.

 

[efcboy]

I've talked myself into wanting us to pick Lucas as second ruck this week. He'd probably do just as well as Hooker in the hitouts (e.g. crap) but he'd get more footy around the ground and it would allow Hooker to stay back where he's developing quite nicely.

It would also be a bit of a headache for their coaching staff because they'd have to be mindful of him drifting forward.

my thoughts exactly.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

(4) tyson is 18yo so has time to improve unlike 23yo henry who hasn't improved much at all in his time at the club.

Thanks to Costanza_.

 

[R_n_B]

I enjoy reading everyone's comments on topics such as this thread, but I'm sick of hearing Slatts name as the one to drop EVERY TIME we lose a game.
Funny how when we win you hardly ever see his name mentioned in the OUTS.
I'm also sick of hearing that he doesn't fit our 'game plan'. He does the job he is supposed to do.
You can't justify dropping him over yesterday's loss either. How is he supposed to perform when the ball was in the Geelong foward 50 for so long yet we hardly could get passed the 50?

Slatts should always be one of the first choices in the best 22.

 

[BrunoV]

He's going to have his day's where he has high numbers because he runs around on his own all day. Most people could in that roll.

Haven't you just described Stanton?

 

[Kong]

How the hell does Tyson Slattery show promise and Henry doesn't? Seriously, tell me how. I look forward to seeing how the hell you justify this. Despite how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise, Henry has been quite good this season and would not surprise me at all if he was in the top in our B&F.

One bad game against the best team in the completion playing against the best player in the completion (Yes, SJ is currently playing better than Abeltt) and he's useless and we should dump him for a rookie who must be better than Henry...for some inexplicable reason. **** off. Should we dump Lloyd this week? He was useless yestreday as well. "Most people are a waste of time" How ****ing true.

I have no idea how you do this job Whomb.

Begrudgingly . No, you learn to sift through everything; sorting the worth contributions from the rubbish.

 

[BrunoV]

i wouldn't say mcveigh was the worst as he had a genuine excuse - lack of match fitness. he shouldn't have played but he can stay in now as he'll only improve.

It most certainly is no excuse to be injured.

McVeigh was shit, had no kicking penetration and looked completely out of it.

He should not have played and I don't think he will be much better this week. He needed a long spell at Bendigo to get fitness confidence up.

It is a complete myth that a half fit gun like McViegh adds more to a side than a fully fit younger or less gifted player.

 

[BrunoV]

How the hell does Tyson Slattery show promise and Henry doesn't? Seriously, tell me how. I look forward to seeing how the hell you justify this. Despite how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise, Henry has been quite good this season and would not surprise me at all if he was in the top in our B&F.

One bad game against the best team in the completion playing against the best player in the completion (Yes, SJ is currently playing better than Abeltt) and he's useless and we should dump him for a rookie who must be better than Henry...for some inexplicable reason. **** off. Should we dump Lloyd this week? He was useless yestreday as well. "Most people are a waste of time" How ****ing true.

I have no idea how you do this job Whomb.

Lloyd didn't play poorly.

The ball went side 50 about 15 times in the first three quarters and when it went near him it was too high meaning that Scareltt could get a spoil on with out even trying.

But of course you are all knowledgeable so it is everyone elses posts are crap.

 

[BrunoV]

I've talked myself into wanting us to pick Lucas as second ruck this week. He'd probably do just as well as Hooker in the hitouts (e.g. crap) but he'd get more footy around the ground and it would allow Hooker to stay back where he's developing quite nicely.

x 2. There is enough logic there for mine.

 

[efcboy]

I enjoy reading everyone's comments on topics such as this thread, but I'm sick of hearing Slatts name as the one to drop EVERY TIME we lose a game.
Funny how when we win you hardly ever see his name mentioned in the OUTS.
I'm also sick of hearing that he doesn't fit our 'game plan'. He does the job he is supposed to do.
You can't justify dropping him over yesterday's loss either. How is he supposed to perform when the ball was in the Geelong foward 50 for so long yet we hardly could get passed the 50?

Slatts should always be one of the first choices in the best 22.

ah next thing you'll want henry slattery for captain...

tayte pears had to put up with the same amount of geelong forward entries as henry slattery did and pears didn't get torn apart. seems quite obvious to me that (a) tayte pears is very good and (b) henry slattery is very poor.

 

[Spikey]

for starters don't go talking about a champion like lloyd and comparing him with a complete dud like h.slattery...henry slattery in the b&f - give me a break....

"Despite how hard you try to convince yourself otherwise, Henry has been quite good this season and would not surprise me at all if he was in the top 10 in our B&F." (Forget the bolded bit before, although I suspect most known what I meant anyway)

I think it's a perfectly fair comparison actually. Like Slatts, Lloyd has had some good games and some bad games this season. Yet only one is a candidate for being dropped. However, let's put up a new comparison. Brent Stanton. He got killed by Ablett yestreday too. And has been in worse form over the past 3 weeks. Shall we drop him for say, Thomas German? He's young and had a good for Bendigo yestreday!

well spikey i watched all the pre-season matches and attend training regularly. there are five things i can tell you that tyson has over henry going into the future:
(1) tyson is taller so has better reach to spoil
(2) tyson is much quicker so has better pace to fit in our game style
(3) tyson has much better kicking skills
(4) tyson is 18yo so has time to improve unlike 23yo henry who hasn't improved much at all in his time at the club.
(5) tyson doesn't have the injury concerns like henry had at a young age (continually straining his ilio-tibial bands in his quads etc)

the only thing henry has over tyson at present is physical strength. as i said tyson would need time and this time will allow him to develop the strength to play at afl level.

henry has been in the system for quite some time now and hasn't improved much so i don't see much potential in him at all. tyson showed a bit during the nab cup series so i think he could have a better future than henry. i'm bemused that you can argue with this logic.

Watson hasn't got the pace for our gameplay either. DROP HIM. Believe it or not, we can not have 22 players who can 100 meters in 11 seconds. Players who are slow can still play in our gameplay you know? Slatts has a role in our team. To stop the player he is playing on. He failed yestreday. He has succeeded more times than he has failed this year. And Slatts' kicking has been very good this year - compared to last year anyway.

Hasn't improved much? Compared to last season Henry has improved shitloads. We don't pick players because they "showed a bit" non because he is younger. I refer you to the Stanton comparison.

I'm bemused by your entire logic, and amused that I haven't seen logic until this week. If you seriously think Tyson Slattery will do a better job than Henry, then expect to be disappointed. Henry isn't gonna play against Steve Johnson every week you know?

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Tyson Slattery, Quinn, Myers.... no thanks for this week.

We can't afford any Micky Mouse selections and need to provide a strong, competitive team to beat the Crows. Proven players, proven performers and stick with guys that have contributed to victories this year and back em in.

 

[Enki]

I've talked myself into wanting us to pick Lucas as second ruck this week. He'd probably do just as well as Hooker in the hitouts (e.g. crap) but he'd get more footy around the ground and it would allow Hooker to stay back where he's developing quite nicely.

It would also be a bit of a headache for their coaching staff because they'd have to be mindful of him drifting forward.

Nope. Hooker is a full 5 or 6 centimeters taller than Scotty and is far more gangly so he probably has a greater arm length. Also Hooker is more athletic and has a better leap. In addition to that Hooker was taking the occasional ruck job in the VFL and I believe has done some work with the ruck group and Madden.

I don't really want Hooker in the ruck as he is developing nicely down back, but there is no way Scotty would do the same job. Having said that I won't complain if they try it.

 

[efcboy]

you're barking up the wrong tree - i never suggested dropping henry slattery for tyson slattery this week - tyson isn't ready yet. i was stating that the small defender role is a problem area we need to resolve in the next couple of years and i believe tyson has more potential to fill this role in the future ahead of henry.

as for the gameplan and certain players not fitting it. sure watson aint quick but he gets shitload of clearances out to our runners so he does add immense value.

watson, stanton etc have deficincies but they make up for it in other areas - for watson his clearance work compensates and for stanton his hard running does.

slattery however is deficient in every aspect of the game - he is slow, poorly skilled and not even that good defensively. he gives nothing to make up for his deficincies. its embarassing to have a dud like that get regular games - its no surprise he is a regular in terry wallets EFC spud of the week.

 

[George Washington]

tayte pears had to put up with the same amount of geelong forward entries as henry slattery did and pears didn't get torn apart. seems quite obvious to me that (a) tayte pears is very good and (b) henry slattery is very poor.

Hawkins vs Stevie Johnson.

HAWKINS.

H-A-W-K-I-N-S.

Though, Tayte did do a fantastic job, im not taking anything away from him.


Seriously. Think before you post.


Slattery will not be dropped all year bar injury, and probably not for another couple of years at least. This is because Knights is not a peanut like a lot of defeat-knee-jerk posters on here.

 

[silk]

Ins From: Dempsey, Prismall, Danniher, Lucas
Outs: Belly (inj), From. Skipworth, Monfries Lonergan

 

[efcboy]

Hawkins vs Stevie Johnson.

HAWKINS.

H-A-W-K-I-N-S.

Though, Tayte did do a fantastic job, im not taking anything away from him.


Seriously. Think before you post.


Slattery will not be dropped all year bar injury, and probably not for another couple of years at least. This is because Knights is not a peanut like a lot of defeat-knee-jerk posters on here.

seriously....

who do you think went on to steve johnson in the last quarter when he didn't get a kick?

tayte pears was the man.

i can't see what makes h.slattery an automatic selection - can someone tell me what it is he provides that is so valuable to the team. he is definitely not quick, he is definitely not skilful and he isn't that good at shutting an opponent either. so what is it? please explain...

and its not a knee-jerk reaction either - h.slattery was shithouse in R1 against port adelaide beginning a sequence of ordinary performances. perhaps he might be able to actually beat an opponent when we play melbourne in a fortnight - addam maric is probably the matchup slattery's been looking for...

 

[jbct]

seriously....

who do you think went on to steve johnson in the last quarter when he didn't get a kick?

tayte pears was the man.

i can't see what makes h.slattery an automatic selection - can someone tell me what it is he provides that is so valuable to the team. he is definitely not quick, he is definitely not skilful and he isn't that good at shutting an opponent either. so what is it? please explain...

Watch him beat Walker this weekend

 

[R_n_B]

seriously....

who do you think went on to steve johnson in the last quarter when he didn't get a kick?

tayte pears was the man.

i can't see what makes h.slattery an automatic selection - can someone tell me what it is he provides that is so valuable to the team. he is definitely not quick, he is definitely not skilful and he isn't that good at shutting an opponent either. so what is it? please explain...

and its not a knee-jerk reaction either - h.slattery was shithouse in R1 against port adelaide beginning a sequence of ordinary performances. perhaps he might be able to actually beat an opponent when we play melbourne in a fortnight - addam maric is probably the matchup slattery's been looking for...

Slattery shouldn't be playing on a guy like Steve Johnson in the first place. Slatts was always going to get beaten by Johnson, espeically in marking situations.
Slatts value comes from keeping the small crumbing fowards quiet.

Your comparing apples with oranges with Pears and Slattery, they are very different from each other, so using Pears as a way to jusify Slatts supposed poor performance on Johnson is incorrect.

I can think of three games where Slattery clearly beat his opponent.
Slattery against Betts when we played Carlton, kept Medhurst pretty quiet against Collingwood and kept the Roos small fowards quiet.
I thought he did a good job against Rioli too against Hawthorn when he was playing in the foward line.
Not sure who he played on against Freo or the Lions, so won't comment.

And I'm not sure why you are commenting negatively about his skills. I don't recall him turning the ball over very regularly. When he has the ball, he is very composed.

Maybe in a couple of years once Tyson Slattery is ready, then we might be able to discuss Henry's role on the team. But for now, I'm afraid your arguements are going to mean nothing because he has a spot and a role on the team that nobody else can do at the moment.

And no I don't want Slatts to be our next captain..I'm sure you would love it though

 

[lemon chicken]

well spikey i watched all the pre-season matches and attend training regularly. there are five things i can tell you that tyson has over henry going into the future:
(1) tyson is taller so has better reach to spoil
(2) tyson is much quicker so has better pace to fit in our game style
(3) tyson has much better kicking skills
(4) tyson is 18yo so has time to improve unlike 23yo henry who hasn't improved much at all in his time at the club.
(5) tyson doesn't have the injury concerns like henry had at a young age (continually straining his ilio-tibial bands in his quads etc)

(1) is the only thing id agree with here. (2) is debatable but do we need 18 players with blistering pace to run off their man all day long to win matches? If we do wouldnt Atkinson be better? (3) is incorrect. Tyson tends to kick over players heads a bit but a few young players do that early on. (4) & (5) are just stupid points to bring up but you must have needed some page fillers or something.

The 2 Slattery's aren't even similar type of players. The closest player in the seniors atm to Tyson would be Hooker. A run off type defender.

 

[yaco55]

The difference with Laycock is he would only be asked to play 6 or 7 minutes per quarter.

You seem to have completly forgotton the Reimers did not do any running at all during pre season. His fitness base is very limited and he would not stand up to playing even the 60% to 70% game time that Jetta has played.

Ant

My understanding is that Reimers had more of a pre-season than Laycock.

I understand your point about Laycock playing 6 or 7 minutes per quarter, but the reality is that he would probably play 15 minutes per quarter.

It is a pity that Fletcher and Hurley are injured because it robs EFC of the flexibility to assist Ryder in the ruck.

 

[yaco55]

I tend to find that the match committee is a bit conseerrvative when it comes to match ups.

I would have player Pears on Johnston as along with Fletcher he has the best profile for the job.

The match committee worried too much about Hawkins who isn't a big threat.

In saying that Pears wouldn't have completely stopped Johnston.

 

[TheDon35]

h.slattery runs/moves like a bloke in his last year prior to retirement so fans could be forgiven for thinking he's 34. he's no good. he would have been a decent player in the 80s - similar to shane heard maybe. however if essendon are to continue to play fast, attacking footy requiring high skill and pace so as not to be caught out on the rebound there is no place for h.slattery in our lineup.

i think you'll be embarassed in the near future that you suggested myers was nowhere near slattery...

Agreed, infact this is the problem with Slattery, because he is only able to do one thing - hard lock down defence, people think he's the only player in our side that can do it. In fact i'm certain a number of players can perform that job as well as providing more offensively.

Hocking wouldn't be any worse
McVeigh
Lonergan has the tools to do it despite it being something totally new to him.
Welsh could do it better

It's just like saying, because Neagle can only play deep full forward, he's automatically the best person for that job.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

The match committee worried too much about Hawkins who isn't a big threat.

Very doubtful.

 

[Houli to Neagle]

Looks like Laycock is out for the season.
We would need to bring in Lucas, play him at CHB and move ($2) Hooker into the ruck to help out paddy!!