Changes vs Brisbane

[Demon JP]

In Blease or Strauss + mckenzie
out clark and jetta

 

[Blackas87]

So because he shouldn't have been moved in the first place it means he should be moved back?

Silly logic. I see what you're saying but moving him forward after just 4 rounds serves zero purpose.

I don't know, Watts actually played the first 5 games last year up forward, then got dropped and moved to the backline, where he did play some good games so I think he can adjust.

After struggling against Essendon in round 2, Neeld moved Watts up forward for a short period before subbing him off, Watts broke off his opponent, nice lead to pocket, took the mark, missed the goal but it didn't take him long to adjust back to his natural game.

 

[wowlace]

I don't think Watts is needed in the forward line tbh. Just needs form, Casey bound imho.

 

[Blackas87]

I don't think Watts is needed in the forward line tbh. Just needs form, Casey bound imho.

Don't agree, Watts is not a defender, it is not his fault he being played back there.

He was moved forward against Essendon for the last 5 min of the first half. Look what he did, beat a veteran defender in Fletcher on the lead.
http://www.afl.com.au/video/smart-r...ventType=in50Mark&seek=3356&videoQuality=high
That is his natural game, why on earth he was moved back to the backline after half time, then subbed, then dropped when he can easily be moved up forward, he is better than Dawes, pederson and Sellar.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Don't agree, Watts is not a defender, it is not his fault he being played back there.

He was moved forward against Essendon for the last 5 min of the first half. Look what he did, beat a veteran defender in Fletcher on the lead.
http://www.afl.com.au/video/smart-r...ventType=in50Mark&seek=3356&videoQuality=high

That is his natural game, why on earth he was moved back to the backline after half time, then subbed, then dropped when he can easily be moved up forward, he is better than Dawes, pederson and Sellar.

I actually think it is his fault he's being played down there. Might have kicked 21 goals in 22 games, which is less than 1 a game, and got himself dropped. Came back and played some fantastic football as a third tall and now all of a sudden he isn't a defender?

He may end up a forward down the track but your arguments for his move back down there, which seem to be based on not so flash stats and the fact he beat Fletcher on the lead once in a game we got rolled by 150 points, don't hold much weight at all.

 

[butters88]

Shit that opened a can of worms lol. I honestly thought he was great in the backline last year, my impression this year was that his 2nd and 3rd efforts were letting him down.
On a side note, Grimes, 29 possessions and 7 tackles, stellar performance

 

[Blackas87]

I actually think it is his fault he's being played down there. Might have kicked 21 goals in 22 games, which is less than 1 a game, and got himself dropped. Came back and played some fantastic football as a third tall and now all of a sudden he isn't a defender?

He may end up a forward down the track but your arguments for his move back down there, which seem to be based on not so flash stats and the fact he beat Fletcher on the lead once in a game we got rolled by 150 points, don't hold much weight at all.

As a 20 year old skinny under sized forward, we all knew from draft day he was going to take a while, Our recruiters said he was going to be a 5 year plan on draft day. Why on earth would we want to chop and change him.

Watts is good down back when he hasn't got an opponent, once he does his opponent gets on top. Only one game last year against Jobe Watson I would say he did good on his opponent but apart from that i can't find another one.

Once in a game, he was only up forward for 5 miniutes, not one other person for the whole game did it.

 

[rhaz]

With Clark out, it's a great chance to play Howe in the forward line all game, tell him not to creep up the wings, keep him up there.

 

[Captain Jack]

With Clark out, it's a great chance to play Howe in the forward line all game, tell him not to creep up the wings, keep him up there.

Not ideal IMO, him having license to roam up the ground is a great thing as it keeps him involved in the game and also not reliant on taking massive hangers every time the ball is inevitably bombed inside 50 in an indiscriminate manner. The man can play, he's no one-trick pony.

 

[maxmustard]

Out: Clark, Jetta.
In: Blease, Mckenzie.

Watts stays, he wasn't that bad ffs.

 

[d33my]

Yeah Howe has a couple of strings to his bow, he is handy around the wings and is generally a good user of the ball. Rotate him through the forward line but don't restrict him there. He's one of our better performers at the moment, just let him keep doing what he's doing.

 

[jhong]

Watts isn't a natural defender as such , i think they are playing him there because thats where he is needed right now , but he is down on confidence ( no surprise really) . It didn't hurt Neitz playing down back for a bit , you never know ,jack might just learn how to put his body on the line down there .

 

[Wise Guy Sam]

OUT: Clark, Jetta, Tapscott (Omitted. string 5 good games together at Casey and than come in for a sustained run)
IN: Blease, Strauss, Mckenzie

The Lions don't have a massive forward line so I hope we don't go with the 5 Talls and 1 small in defence.

Clark out is a damn shame but it could be far worst. We have cover for him, obviously not anyone as good but we have a few blokes who can play his role.

I honestly think we are a sneaky chance here. Lions are in poor form and are missing an important player in Hanley.

Tagging Rich seems to be working well so Mckenzie to play that role.

Browny is not in great form but needs to be respected as he is a champion and if we give him a chance he will captalize on that. Frawley or Mcdonald the obvious men for the Job. Maybe not Watts again. We can manage Stef easily enough I feel. Our boys should know his weaknesses.

The Lions have looked slow the last few weeks so lets get some pace in the side. Watts/bail and Blease get a wing each. Strauss and the other of Watts/Bail to rebound out of defense.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Kevin Sheedy exploited this on the weekend. His man took about 6 or 7 uncontested marks at the top of the 50 metre line. Please Neeld, put him in the forward line

Lol, this is getting ****ing ridiculous - his man had (Townsend) 11 touches for the game, and the boys on the Fox Footy commentary though Townsend was sent to Watts as a defensive forward.

He got two easy uncontested marks from botched GWS clearances, but hey - they're pretty easy for defenders to read, right?

 

[Captain Jack]

OUT: Tapscott (Omitted. string 5 good games together at Casey and than come in for a sustained run).

Not a fan of this strategy at this stage. I get what you mean in that he only earned his spot back with one huge game in the VFL, but if we drop Tappy for Blease are we not going to be back in the same position in two weeks? No one has really been banging down the door at Casey (apart from Hogan) so until someone is really demanding to be picked I say back the incumbents for an extended spell in the seniors.

Give Tappy a chance to really get up to the speed of the AFL, because too often in his career he's either been in and out of the side, or injured at annoying times. Give him a defined role that he can work into so that he can start to feel more comfortable at AFL level and impact games more regularly over four quarters.

Obviously this applies to plenty of others too. Bail, Terlich, Jetta (suspended unfortunately) come to mind from Sunday's side, even Watts to an extent. Give them a chance to perform over several weeks, and meanwhile tell the players stuck in the VFL that only sustained excellence will see them get into the team.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Lol, this is getting ******* ridiculous - his man had (Townsend) 11 touches for the game, and the boys on the Fox Footy commentary though Townsend was sent to Watts as a defensive forward.

He got two easy uncontested marks from botched GWS clearances, but hey - they're pretty easy for defenders to read, right?

Hit the nail on the head TPM. He is the most over scrutinized footballer in the AFL.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

If this shit is kept up I might have to write a 'Facts about Jack Watts' Rd *Blah Performance' every week, I know we all want him to become the player we need and he should - but c'mon, the kid is clearly low on confidence, we know he can play good footy at an AFL intensity (11' and 12', more of it in 11' IMO).

We've got to support him.

 

[wowlace]

Don't agree, Watts is not a defender, it is not his fault he being played back there.

He was moved forward against Essendon for the last 5 min of the first half. Look what he did, beat a veteran defender in Fletcher on the lead.
http://www.afl.com.au/video/smart-r...ventType=in50Mark&seek=3356&videoQuality=high
That is his natural game, why on earth he was moved back to the backline after half time, then subbed, then dropped when he can easily be moved up forward, he is better than Dawes, pederson and Sellar.

Didn't watch that game I was busy getting married.

Like I said I don't think Watts is needed in the forward line. Everyone who is playing there at the moment are better the he.

Out of the three you mentioned I will give you Watts over Seller. Pedo is a better contested mark and shot for goal than Watts. Dawes hasn't even played for us yet. Watts was worst on ground for us on Sunday. This is the first time I've been critical of him. His game against the GWS typified all the knocks he cops from football fans. No intensity, pulling out of contests, no urgency, disinterested.

Do not want that in the forward line.

 

[Captain Jack]

If this shit is kept up I might have to write a 'Facts about Jack Watts' Rd *Blah Performance' every week, I know we all want him to become the player we need and he should - but c'mon, the kid is clearly low on confidence, we know he can play good footy at an AFL intensity (11' and 12', more of it in 11' IMO).

We've got to support him.

No doubt, and for his first few touches on Sunday you could tell the crowd really wanted to get behind him and have him do well.

You can look at his stats all you like, but at the end of the day he played a game that was completely devoid of any confidence, physical presence or notable influence on the outcome. Fair to say it was hard for us fans to stay confident in him when he looked liable to either lose a one-on-one or make a dreadful clanger at all times.

Now I'm not saying he was bad, but it certainly wasn't much of a game. Jack needs to work out that he can play football still. I'm not sure if that will happen at AFL or VFL level, or indeed if it will happen on the HBF, the wing or at CHF. Hopefully the footy department has a better idea because this is a serious cross-roads for him. I still think he can come good, but he needs to start wanting it and hurting for it ASAP.

 

[Black Dynamite]

Didn't watch that game I was busy getting married.

Like I said I don't think Watts is needed in the forward line. Everyone who is playing there at the moment are better the he.

Out of the three you mentioned I will give you Watts over Seller. Pedo is a better contested mark and shot for goal than Watts. Dawes hasn't even played for us yet. Watts was worst on ground for us on Sunday. This is the first time I've been critical of him. His game against the GWS typified all the knocks he cops from football fans. No intensity, pulling out of contests, no urgency, disinterested.

Do not want that in the forward line.

Watts while not being BOG was a long way from being worst on ground, cannot believe the ridiculous scrutiny this bloke gets, he is playing as a defender and his opponent did f#@$ all and his kicking in from a point is a huge step up from the usual bang it long to Jamar. Criticism is fine when justified, in this case I don't know if it is.
He wasn't even our worst defender on Sunday.

 

[Blackas87]

Didn't watch that game I was busy getting married.

Like I said I don't think Watts is needed in the forward line. Everyone who is playing there at the moment are better the he.

Out of the three you mentioned I will give you Watts over Seller. Pedo is a better contested mark and shot for goal than Watts. Dawes hasn't even played for us yet. Watts was worst on ground for us on Sunday. This is the first time I've been critical of him. His game against the GWS typified all the knocks he cops from football fans. No intensity, pulling out of contests, no urgency, disinterested.

Do not want that in the forward line.

First congratulations,

Second, you are right about the urgency, intensity, pulling out of contests blah blah blah, that's because he worrying about his opponent and not his natural game. He just doesn't have those defensive instincts, simple it just isn't him. That's not a knock on him, he just doesn't have that ability.

Third, I would rather Watts over Pederson and Dawes up forward personally, Watts is a good contested mark, and is also a very good set shot, and much more ability below his knees

 

[Black Dynamite]

First congratulations,

Second, you are right about the urgency, intensity, pulling out of contests blah blah blah, that's because he worrying about his opponent and not his natural game. He just doesn't have those defensive instincts, simple it just isn't him. That's not a knock on him, he just doesn't have that ability.

Third, I would rather Watts over Pederson and Dawes up forward personally, Watts is a good contested mark, and is also a very good set shot, and much more ability below his knees

May finish up playing forward but I've been told he actually played a lot of his junior footy at CHB, so he should be as comfortable back there as he is forward.
Don't really think he pulls out of contests but agree on the seeming lack of intensity/urgency but that won't change whether he is forward or back. My thoughts on playing him back is he has the best disposal and usually makes good decisions and without him our disposal out of the back line is appalling.
Don't think he will ever be a player who relishes physical contact but neither does Nick Riewoldt and he does alright, maybe we all need to adjust what our early hopes were for him and accept he is not the second coming of christ but could still turn out ok.

 

[Topkent]

I think the main reason people are getting into him is apart from his excellent kicking Joel Mac still offers far more in a 1 on 1 , both in the air an on the ground and j Mac looks like he wants it a bunch more as well despite the fact the natural talent levels are way higher in watts the j Mac

Right now if j Mac was 22 he'd be getting a game over watts as he would look like he has far more upside

 

[Dez!]

Get Straussy in there, playing well at Casey and is exactly what you want for a team like us.

Classy half back that can run and kick well.

 

[ponsdale]

Out: Clarke, Jetta, Viney
In: Dawes, Strauss, McKenzie

Dawes hasn't expressly ruled out, from what I can see... a smokey?