Prediction Changes vs Brisbane

[Us against the rest]

Hartlett is the right replacement for Watts in terms of game style. I have nonissue with that

Hammer or Howard, either would be okay imo.

 

[Waspy79]

With Amon and Watts out for a while, Wines set to return and Wingard and Polec dirty words, our outside game will be seriously exposed in coming weeks.

 

[Us against the rest]

With Amon and Watts out for a while, Wines set to return and Wingard and Polec dirty words, our outside game will be seriously exposed in coming weeks.

This is spot on, I can't think of any one with genuine outside run and skill. mmmm.

 

[Doctor Feel]

People are forgetting Mayes.

 

[raman]

People are forgetting Mayes.

Who?

 

[Powerstufff]

... Marshall had a fantastic game last week before concussion ....

No he didn't, gifted a goal from a free and missed the single opportunity he created off his own bat. And there was nothing else to compensate for that output. The head knock was quite late, he'd had ample game time to score. Furthermore nothing in the JLT to suggest last night was an aberration.

 

[Waspy79]

This is spot on, I can't think of any one with genuine outside run and skill. mmmm.

Could be opportune to give Rozzee a crack around the ball. He's about the only guy I can think of. Duursma has the outside game but not the skill.

 

[Waspy79]

People are forgetting Mayes.

Does he have pace? I picture him as a bit of a plodder but could be wrong.

 

[sog35]

Lienert will benefit from the Watts injury. I worry for Howard. I think the club want him to develop more rebound, marking and attacking capabilities. He can't sit back there getting 8 touches a game.

He had a huge pre-season and is way fitter than hes ever been but he needs to add some strings to his bow.

Personally I'd consider bringing him in up forward for Marshall

We've also got to remember where we picked some of these guys. Howard and Amon were both late, speculative picks. There's a chance we've seen the best of Howard.

 

[Powerstufff]

Could be opportune to give Rozzee a crack around the ball. He's about the only guy I can think of. Duursma has the outside game but not the skill.

Rozee played in the guts at clearances last week and did well. I don't know how deliberate it was from the coaching staff or whether he took himself there when the structure was mixed up. Is that what you mean?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Based on what I saw on Friday night at Richmond Oval neither Hartlett or Broadbent are ready to come back yet.

Howard and Wines back in for me. Need someone to go with Hipwood and Howard is a better match up than Clurey or Jonas.

 

[Powerstufff]

Based on what I saw on Friday night at Richmond Oval neither Hartlett or Broadbent are ready to come back yet .....

Interesting, I had someone at the game last night pumping Broadbent's tyres up. But he was himself doing it on someone else's report who'd seen Broadie play this year. Anyway I trust your opinion. Plus I find it hard to see us ever needing Broadbent again. We showed pointless desperation in selection last year with Lindsay Thomas. I don't want to feel like that about selection this year.

 

[Visenfest]

We need to persist with Marshall at AFL level, if we actually want to develop a key forward. Players who are far worse, far shorter, and play in positions where we have greater depth have been gifted extended runs.

 

[Powerstufff]

Does he (Mayes) have pace? I picture him as a bit of a plodder but could be wrong.

I looked him up on FootyWire recently and his Brisbane CV looks OK. But then he couldn't force himself into our lineup so ding, ding, alarm bells ring. Did he even play JLT1?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Interesting, I had someone at the game last night pumping Broadbent's tyres up. But he was himself doing it on someone else's report who'd seen Broadie play this year. Anyway I trust your opinion. Plus I find it hard to see us ever needing Broadbent again. We showed pointless desperation in selection last year with Lindsay Thomas. I don't want to feel like that about selection this year.

Bonner isn't a hard enough defender at HBF yet. He is more a winger type. Hartlett is first in line to take his spot and Broady second. Broady is a good depth player at the moment, but its a long season and he still has enough weapons to be able to play AFL.

 

[Dalfino]

No he didn't, gifted a goal from a free and missed the single opportunity he created off his own bat. And there was nothing else to compensate for that output. The head knock was quite late, he'd had ample game time to score. Furthermore nothing in the JLT to suggest last night was an aberration.

His groundwork, field-kicking and courage were second to none though. He copped more than his fair share of big knocks and for a skinny kid who's been through a lot over the past two years it showed really good signs for his development to be attacking the ball like that. At least at this stage in his career it seems that he will never be the power marking forward that say Dixon and to a lesser extent Frampton can be, but he offers way more at ground level than Frampton does at the moment. I'd say we need to persist with him, especially under the new forward structure and system. Even if all he does is allow Westhoff to kick 5, or Ebert to kick 3... he's smart and fast enough to demand some attention and free up our other forward options.

 

[Waspy79]

I looked him up on FootyWire recently and his Brisbane CV looks OK. But then he couldn't force himself into our lineup so ding, ding, alarm bells ring. Did he even play JLT1?

I think he did. He racked up a few possessions. In my mind he's a bit of a Toumpas. Neither overly fast nor skilful. Happy to be proven wrong as I have barely seen him play.

 

[Wargreymon90]

I think he did. He racked up a few possessions. In my mind he's a bit of a Toumpas. Neither overly fast nor skilful. Happy to be proven wrong as I have barely seen him play.

It’s quite evident that you haven’t seen him play if you like him to Toumpas

 

[ctpower]

I'm worried about Ken doing Gray for Marshall after his post game comments.

He was so quick to name Gray before Trengove.

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Me too

 

[Powerstufff]

We need to persist with Marshall at AFL level .....

Marshall can't mark or otherwise get hold of the ball up forward. After 2 H&A games he'd have the score of a potted plant but for one goal from a free. Until he performs at SANFL level picking him again is madness.

.... Players who are far worse, far shorter, and play in positions where we have greater depth have been gifted extended runs.

Hyperbole. Name names and make your case.

 

[Powerage]

Personally I would would give frampton a run, he can fill the role as a marking forward. I am only suggesting Marshall drops back for a couple, looks out of sorts atm.

When has dropping a forward, especially a tall forward, back to the reserves ever, EVER helped them regain form???

Rucks or midfielders who can get their own ball, great. Defenders who can mop up inferior delivery into the opponent's forward line, have at it. Even small forwards who can proactively position and crumb forward entries, maybe.

But tall forwards more than any other player on the ground are dependent on the skill levels of those around them and the delivery they generate. Playing against inferior opponents is not going to run them into form if they don't get the ball, which often happens because they don't get the quality supply they are used to.

I think playing Marshall in the two while developing his game and adjusting to the new gameplan is a horrible idea. And to replace him with a makeshift forward like Frampton even worse. Move him around the ground, up the ground, get him involved. These strategies often are more sound than dropping a key forward a level.

I am concerned about the Marshall/Ryder combination, largely because Ryder lives for playing ruck, and everything else flows from that. So there is a case for playing Frampton or Howard up forward (not by replacing Ryder at this stage, maybe replacing a small because Marshall is agile enough to play small and the ruck duo concept is working a treat), so do that by all means, but not at Marshall's expense at this stage. He would have to have more bad games in good conditions before I would be considering the questionable strategy of letting him find form in the Magpies.

 

[Waspy79]

If Frampton is going to provide more up forward than Marshall has in the past two weeks (which has been nothing) then it is a no brainer to pick Frampton. I'd like to think we are in the business of winning especially at this stage of the season.

 

[Visenfest]

Marshall can't mark or otherwise get hold of the ball up forward. After 2 H&A games he'd have the score of a potted plant but for one goal from a free. Until he performs at SANFL level picking him again is madness.
Hyperbole. Name names and make your case.

Sam Gray and Jake Neade are two names that immediately spring to mind. We've persisted with poorly performing smalls for extended periods of time when we've been crying out for a tall forward, yet when a tall forward has a few poor games we seem so ready to drop him.

And I've already stated my case in my previous post.

 

[ctpower]

Lienert will benefit from the Watts injury. I worry for Howard. I think the club want him to develop more rebound, marking and attacking capabilities. He can't sit back there getting 8 touches a game.

He had a huge pre-season and is way fitter than hes ever been but he needs to add some strings to his bow.

Personally I'd consider bringing him in up forward for Marshall

That’s a fair shout.
I think having Jonas, clurey and Howard Takes away too much run and rebound. All three like to kick sideways and short.
I think we can only afford to play two of
the above.
I think having Burton in the side helps the coaches make this call.

 

[raman]

Dropping Marshall would be a deeply depressing sign that we've learned nothing whatsoever.